Itachi's Strength

[arv993]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

stop bringing the five sec interval of shinra tensei. that is ONLY ONE of the jutsu nagato can perform! have you ever read manga or just stare at itachi every time?? nagato can still perform other jutsu with that interval so ur argument is a FAIL.

and don't bring crap that nagato was just taking orders from madara.. you're forgetting that itachi is just taking orders from nagato! lol.


nagato has a better chance on defeating all of the hokages than itachi

yes nagato does have a better chance at defeating the hokages, he has chibaku tesei and his summonings are tough. And itachi has less of chance becos genjutsu from itachi is known by the kages really well since uchiha clan used to be part of konoha and not mention tobirama and shodai fought a lot of uchihas, but you kno they aren't gonna lose to nagato becos he is deadly with only with large scale techs like chibaku tensei, at which point he is vulnerable and i don't think the kages would just let that pass and can easily attack him especially the fourth hokage. And shinra tensei is a fast tech but a weakness which ppl like fourth hokage can easily kill him with cos he is fast as hell. We don't enough about the 2nd and 3rd to really say if they can or cannot beat nagato however i think in a 1v1 one match itachi with sword of totsuka and his genjutsu can beat nagato. I'll elaborate if you want me to, and being leader does not mean the strongest i said that in the other post. Itachi with susano can block any of his other techs due to yata mirror that is what i was getting at and is vulnerable to genjutsu or sword of totsuka.

 

[Zanji]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

1) lets call a truce on the tsukuyomi due to inadequate info

2) Yes you dont need to be fast to take on a regular Uchiha but Itachi isn`t any regular uchiha he was capable of wiping out his own clan, and against itachi you need speed because any lapse or slow footing can lead to your demise.

3) u said he barely withstood the kirin please do me a favor and review how many people have been killed using kakashi weak raikiri( with all due respect to kakashi) and you would understand just how much of a defense susano`o is

4) sorry about that i was refering to someone else but i didn`t know how to quote his post

5) lets get real tobirama would never use impure world ressurection, and i think you know why

6)giving this fight to itachi will be ironic since hiruzen surpassed his teachers learning to use almost every tech/element not sure which. So by your logic if itachi owns hiruzen the obiously he defeats he frist and second.

7) Now minato is a different story altogether and i agree he owns itachi

8) Tsunade ......come on

1.) Agreed xd

2.) No Itachi isn't an average Uchiha.....neither is Shisui, Sasuke, Izuna, or Madara. In fact I would consider Madara more of a threat when it comes to not being "fast".

3.) Raikiri and Kirin are two completely different style techniques. Raikiri is an advanced version of Chidori that is faster and stronger due to its higher rank but it is still a Taijutsu style technique. While Kirin on the other hand is a pure lightning attack capable of completely annihilating an entire mountain, thus making it a ranged technique.

4.) Oh thats the button right next to the

button....its this one [""] well you know what I mean xd

5.) Yes which is why he never mastered it due to it's restrictions, it's dishonorable and everyone who ever fully uses it and abuses it >_> Kabuto and Orochimaru should die horrible deaths xd

6.) I wouldn't push it that far seeing as Hiruzen had to go to the extent of using Death Reaper Seal too beat the Edo Tensei versions of Hashirama and Tobirama, then tried to take out Oro but only got his arms.

7.) No comment agreed xd

8.) >_> Just tryin to give her a chance but in the end she would end up 6 feet under in this fight lol

 

[Bharat]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Itachi for president!

 

[Koibito]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

If the Fourth could learn how to "see" Itachi without looking at him than he could beat him but otherwise Itachi catches Minato in genjutsu in the first second of the fight

 

[black uchiha]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

We dont know the 1, 2, 4 Hokage's full capabilities. We only know that they use wood style, water style, FTG. Thats all. I haven't seen any Uchiha become a Hokage despite they are called "elite" or "genius". Itachi was a great ninja, I accept that but I dont think he can win against Kages.

Yea but tsunada is hokage too so the mantle if kage is soiled

 

[kadowade]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Itachi is very powerful, but I doubt he could beat the first 4 Hokages, everyone overrates all of his abilities like he has no weaknesses and unlimited chakra, when the fact is Itachi has the lowest chakra reserves out of the whole Akatsuki,, stamina plays a huge part imagine if Kakashi had huge stamina then he'd be the most powerful ninja of all time because he'd warp every attack away, but he doesn't and he can't. The only person imo who is capable of beating the all the Hokages is Nagato, he defeated Hanzo and Hanzo defeated the 3 legendary sannin at once, nobody could beat Nagato without knowing his secret and he is the strongest out of Akatsuki, if Itachi was strongest why not become their leader? That would benefit him more than being just a henchman, but Itachi is very strong, just not the strongest.

Itachi only joined Akatsuki to spy on it from the inside, he had no intentions of being a leader, he wasent even really down with the Akatsuki, he hasent even tried to capture a Jinchuriki, Except for naruto, which he really didnt even try to capture,Kisame wanted to.
Itachi was always the quiet,observent one in the Akatsuki, He was just watching all of them,even knowing what all Their Jutsu was.

Itachi wasent no ones Henchmen: What did itachi even contribute to the organisation "nothin really". And pain wasent even the leader, Madara was using pains false way of obtaining peace by gathering all the Tailed beast, So basically pain was Gathering tailed beast ALL for madara, so madara can control the world

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Itachi only joined Akatsuki to spy on it from the inside, he had no intentions of being a leader, he wasent even really down with the Akatsuki, he hasent even tried to capture a Jinchuriki, Except for naruto, which he really didnt even try to capture,Kisame wanted to.
Itachi was always the quiet,observent one in the Akatsuki, He was just watching all of them,even knowing what all Their Jutsu was.

Itachi wasent no ones Henchmen: What did itachi even contribute to the organisation "nothin really". And pain wasent even the leader, Madara was using pains false way of obtaining peace by gathering all the Tailed beast, So basically pain was Gathering tailed beast ALL for madara, so madara can control the world

nicely put but the thing is most ppl don't understand

 

[deidara senpai]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

i dont feel like arguing but one thing ill say

the thirds taijutsu can beat itachis taijutsu if the third is in his prime

 

[pureozzy101]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

TBH ! The only person itachi could beat would be the 2nd Hokage And that may even be a stretch. Im not saying itachi doesn't rock he is insane.
*First Hokage -- Knew all the secret jutsus, beat madara, had the tailed beast power, sealing jutsus, genjustus, taijustus
*Second Hokage -- Could summon water from a barren island, The best water user ever, Edo Tensi
*3rd Hokage -- Known as the god of ninja, knew over 1000 jutsus, ENMA,
*4th Hokage -- """"Unbeatable""""
*5th Hokage -- should of died by pain thus useless in combat but probably the best out of all in the circumstances of a war, being able to heal a whole country and provide Intel at the same time is undoubtedly the most effective attribute.

Itachi -- Geneous at using genjustu, Susanoo.

Thus it can be seen that the Hokages earnt their title and are worthy of being feared.
Itachi and the 2nd Hokage would have the closest battle power and would have a very close match but other then that the 1st,3rd,4th and even the 5th are stronger in battle .

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Hashirama wins Itachi

 

[deidara senpai]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

oh yea and itachi wins against

second hokage and fifth hokage


first third and fourth will beat him

 

[khaydz5]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Itachi only joined Akatsuki to spy on it from the inside, he had no intentions of being a leader, he wasent even really down with the Akatsuki, he hasent even tried to capture a Jinchuriki, Except for naruto, which he really didnt even try to capture,Kisame wanted to.
Itachi was always the quiet,observent one in the Akatsuki, He was just watching all of them,even knowing what all Their Jutsu was.

Itachi wasent no ones Henchmen: What did itachi even contribute to the organisation "nothin really". And pain wasent even the leader, Madara was using pains false way of obtaining peace by gathering all the Tailed beast, So basically pain was Gathering tailed beast ALL for madara, so madara can control the world

LOL obviously you're just making things out. never thought of why itachi joined akatsuki as a member and spy on them???? ITS BECAUSE HE CAN'T KILL MADARA ON HIS OWN THAT IS WHY HE LET SASUKE BECOME STRONGER TO LET SASUKE TAKE MADARA!

ITACHI IS the henchmen of the ELDERS!! the ELDERS ORDER HIM TO KILL HIS CLAN! now who's the lapdog here??

PAIN ACTS as the leader! itachi is just a subordinate! he takes orders from pain, madara never really ORDERS nagato, rather is taking advice from madara.

 

[khaydz5]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

yes nagato does have a better chance at defeating the hokages, he has chibaku tesei and his summonings are tough. And itachi has less of chance becos genjutsu from itachi is known by the kages really well since uchiha clan used to be part of konoha and not mention tobirama and shodai fought a lot of uchihas, but you kno they aren't gonna lose to nagato becos he is deadly with only with large scale techs like chibaku tensei, at which point he is vulnerable and i don't think the kages would just let that pass and can easily attack him especially the fourth hokage. And shinra tensei is a fast tech but a weakness which ppl like fourth hokage can easily kill him with cos he is fast as hell. We don't enough about the 2nd and 3rd to really say if they can or cannot beat nagato however i think in a 1v1 one match itachi with sword of totsuka and his genjutsu can beat nagato. I'll elaborate if you want me to, and being leader does not mean the strongest i said that in the other post. Itachi with susano can block any of his other techs due to yata mirror that is what i was getting at and is vulnerable to genjutsu or sword of totsuka.

no, no and no.. obviously you don't know what you are talking about. you're just mentioning 2 of the jutsu of ONE of his paths.. he got 7paths including himself, with different jutsus of their own.. not to mention his experience in battles since they formed akatsuki. once he unleash chibaku, its game over.. he dont even need to use it to those you mentioned. totsuka sword is the only way itachi could win if he even hit nagato, which is highly unlikely. NAGATO knows how to use his jutsus wisely just as how he is being controlled by kabuto at the recent manga.

BEING A LEADER DOESNT MEAN YOU ARE STRONGEST????? ARE YOU SERIOUS???
YOU WILL NOT BE RESPECTED BY YOUR MEMBERS OR WORST THEY WILL NOT FOLLOW A WEAK LEADER. DONT BRING CRAP LIKE THAT NEXT TIME DUDE.

susanoo with yata mirror and totsuka sword is so overrated it made you look stupid btw.


give your scenario i'll counter it based on the jutsus of nagato. i dare you.

 

[kadowade]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

TBH ! The only person itachi could beat would be the 2nd Hokage And that may even be a stretch. Im not saying itachi doesn't rock he is insane.
*First Hokage -- Knew all the secret jutsus, beat madara, had the tailed beast power, sealing jutsus, genjustus, taijustus
*Second Hokage -- Could summon water from a barren island, The best water user ever, Edo Tensi
*3rd Hokage -- Known as the god of ninja, knew over 1000 jutsus, ENMA,
*4th Hokage -- """"Unbeatable""""
*5th Hokage -- should of died by pain thus useless in combat but probably the best out of all in the circumstances of a war, being able to heal a whole country and provide Intel at the same time is undoubtedly the most effective attribute.

Itachi -- Geneous at using genjustu, Susanoo.

Thus it can be seen that the Hokages earnt their title and are worthy of being feared.
Itachi and the 2nd Hokage would have the closest battle power and would have a very close match but other then that the 1st,3rd,4th and even the 5th are stronger in battle .

Itachis Tsukiyomi would kill any hokage he uses it on, , Itachi stated that Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user that shares the same blood as him; as demonstrated when Sasuke overcame Itachi's Tsukuyomi in their battle.

He once used Tsukiyomi on Kakashi Without even trying to kill him, And kakashi was mentally destroyed, he was in a Coma- Only Tsunade has been shown capable of curing his psychological damage. Itachi MAY win with Tsukuyomi alone, but if push comes to shove, he has Amaterasu & Susano'o

Itachi's Amaterasu would deminish the 1st Hokages wood style techniques
And the 4th hokage is beatable, but itachi may only have a chance with Susano'o. Which itachi Activates Susano'o VERY FAST, Cause when sasuke used "kirin'' Which is the speed of light,like the fastest jutsu or close, Itachi activated Susano'o in like a Milisecond to sheild him from ''kirin'' therfore showing the speed of susano'o.

As for the 3rd hokage.Orochimaru killed him, enough said.

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Itachis Tsukiyomi would kill any hokage he uses it on, , Itachi stated that Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user that shares the same blood as him; as demonstrated when Sasuke overcame Itachi's Tsukuyomi in their battle.

He once used Tsukiyomi on Kakashi Without even trying to kill him, And kakashi was mentally destroyed, he was in a Coma- Only Tsunade has been shown capable of curing his psychological damage. Itachi MAY win with Tsukuyomi alone, but if push comes to shove, he has Amaterasu & Susano'o

Itachi's Amaterasu would deminish the 1st Hokages wood style techniques
And the 4th hokage is beatable, but itachi may only have a chance with Susano'o. Which itachi Activates Susano'o VERY FAST, Cause when sasuke used "kirin'' Which is the speed of light,like the fastest jutsu or close, Itachi activated Susano'o in like a Milisecond to sheild him from ''kirin'' therfore showing the speed of susano'o.

As for the 3rd hokage.Orochimaru killed him, enough said.

i like itachi and all but the first hokage defeated madara with ems who had tsukiyomi and other powerful genjutsu cos he controlled the tailed beast only uchiha ever to do it i think that the first has a counter to tough genjutsu, i can see him beating others but minato is also tough one but with susano it is possible.

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

LOL obviously you're just making things out. never thought of why itachi joined akatsuki as a member and spy on them???? ITS BECAUSE HE CAN'T KILL MADARA ON HIS OWN THAT IS WHY HE LET SASUKE BECOME STRONGER TO LET SASUKE TAKE MADARA!

ITACHI IS the henchmen of the ELDERS!! the ELDERS ORDER HIM TO KILL HIS CLAN! now who's the lapdog here??

PAIN ACTS as the leader! itachi is just a subordinate! he takes orders from pain, madara never really ORDERS nagato, rather is taking advice from madara.

madara just manipulates nagato not advising him, he is using nagato's weakness for justice and using it for his own good.

 

[kadowade]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

LOL obviously you're just making things out. never thought of why itachi joined akatsuki as a member and spy on them???? ITS BECAUSE HE CAN'T KILL MADARA ON HIS OWN THAT IS WHY HE LET SASUKE BECOME STRONGER TO LET SASUKE TAKE MADARA!

ITACHI IS the henchmen of the ELDERS!! the ELDERS ORDER HIM TO KILL HIS CLAN! now who's the lapdog here??

PAIN ACTS as the leader! itachi is just a subordinate! he takes orders from pain, madara never really ORDERS nagato, rather is taking advice from madara.

LMAO if you was paying attention Madara said so himself" If he had known that i knew about him, he wouldve most certianly killed me" Watch the episode.

Itachi joined them because they were a Dangerous Group And a threat to the village, and madara was a threat to sasuke. And NOTICE how pain attacked the village AFTER itachi died,

Tell me what itachi did for pain, NOTHING he didnt even capture a beast for him, itachi barely even communicated with them.

The elders didnt force itachi to Slaughter the clan, he just did it so the leaf wouldnt, therefore taking ALL THE BLAME ON HIS SHOULDERS, instead of the village taking the blame, he prevented a war.

And pain wasent taking advice, HE WAS BEING USED, like i said, Madara was using pains false way of peace by gathering all the tailed beast, so pain was basically gathering the tailed beast for MADARA, so madara Can control the world

 

[arv993]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

no, no and no.. obviously you don't know what you are talking about. you're just mentioning 2 of the jutsu of ONE of his paths.. he got 7paths including himself, with different jutsus of their own.. not to mention his experience in battles since they formed akatsuki. once he unleash chibaku, its game over.. he dont even need to use it to those you mentioned. totsuka sword is the only way itachi could win if he even hit nagato, which is highly unlikely. NAGATO knows how to use his jutsus wisely just as how he is being controlled by kabuto at the recent manga.

BEING A LEADER DOESNT MEAN YOU ARE STRONGEST????? ARE YOU SERIOUS???
YOU WILL NOT BE RESPECTED BY YOUR MEMBERS OR WORST THEY WILL NOT FOLLOW A WEAK LEADER. DONT BRING CRAP LIKE THAT NEXT TIME DUDE.

susanoo with yata mirror and totsuka sword is so overrated it made you look stupid btw.


give your scenario i'll counter it based on the jutsus of nagato. i dare you.

what are u five years old to dare me, but before that you are contradicting yourself in another thread you said that naruto is stronger than kakashi even though he is the leader, but whatever its not like you listen to reason and just over react when ppl say something that is against your opinion, no each path do not have amazing jutsus. Ok in an all out fight between nagato and itachi where nagato releases sumonings all itachi has to do is use amaterasu lke in chapter 550n to stop and slow them down or use susano to defend himself and if nagato uses shinra tensei all he has to do is block it with yata mirror and has a 5 second cool down in which he can either use high lvl genjutsu or seal him with sword of totsuka which is fast as hell go see sasuke vs itachi where he uses it and nagato is not fast and has shown no feats in that respect. and chibaku tensei takes time within which itachi can counter him with genjutsu or use his sword of totsuka which again is fast. And yes susano's yata mirror makes him defend against anything even extremely fast or strong attacks like it was nothing kirin(in which is strong as hell and fast as lightning was stopped by itaci's susano in the blink of an eye). I do admit that nagato can win but in an all out battle itachi wins due to his genjutsu and susano.

 

[khaydz5]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

LMAO if you was paying attention Madara said so himself" If he had known that i knew about him, he wouldve most certianly killed me" Watch the episode.

Itachi joined them because they were a Dangerous Group And a threat to the village, and madara was a threat to sasuke. And NOTICE how pain attacked the village AFTER itachi died,

Tell me what itachi did for pain, NOTHING he didnt even capture a beast for him, itachi barely even communicated with them.

The elders didnt force itachi to Slaughter the clan, he just did it so the leaf wouldnt, therefore taking ALL THE BLAME ON HIS SHOULDERS, instead of the village taking the blame, he prevented a war.

And pain wasent taking advice, HE WAS BEING USED, like i said, Madara was using pains false way of peace by gathering all the tailed beast, so pain was basically gathering the tailed beast for MADARA, so madara cant control the world

lol then if it a threat to the village why dont he just kill them all and not join them instead!what you say has no sense at all.

itachi took order from pain when pain ORDER them to go back to the hideout and extract the bijuus from the jinchuurikis. isnt it? lol pawned.

LOLLOLOL. the elders including the 3rd order him to kill his clan, you dont understand naruto manga at all reread again! that is why sasuke is taking revenge and kill danzo. it is HIS FINAL MISSION! and a MISSION is given by the superior!

PAIN has his own plan for the bijuus he never will give it to madara. if he is still alive right now mayba nagato took madara instead of konan fighting madara.

 

[SENJU UCHIHA]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Yeah.... Itachi can defeat all of them, nd minato's FTG wud only help him to escape.......