Itachi's Strength

[Tendo Pain]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Omg I didn't realize how many Itachi fanboys there were until this thread sorry about it but hes not the best just gonna go out on a limb here and say Naruto is probly the best since it is his show and all. Oh yeah i forgot too ITACHI IS DEAD

 

[masterylucain]

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Alright I will admit that Itachi is a genius to be able to do and foresee everything that he has, but to go the distance to say that he is "stronger than previous Hokages" is very much of a long shot.

Hashirama and Tobirama were the strongest of their times, and have been considered Legends even to shinobi of other countries.

Hashirama eternal rival of Madara Uchiha, he fought against Madara who possessed the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, and had the Kyuubi on his side and still couldn't beat him even if he was only there to "acquire" cells. The injuries he took that day still affect him today in the manga. Could control tailed beasts and the true possessor of the Mokuton (Wood Release) element.

Tobirama fought with his brother against the Uchiha, which at that time two of them had Mangekyou Sharingan and still lived to continue his legacy. He also fought against the KinGin brothers when the attempted a Coupe D'etat against Tobirama and Nidaime Raikage, and still lived to tell the tale and they even had the Kyuubi power and the So6P's tools at their side. Creator of the Impure World Resurrection, a skilled user of Space/Time ninjutsu, master of the water element

Hiruzen trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, was the Hokage for the longest amount of time, and was considered the greatest of his time. Though we only got too see him fight against Oro and the Edo Kages.

Minato a true genius, creator of the Rasengan, Flying Thunder God technique. Faster than A, Yondaime Raikage. He fought against Madara Uchiha and won, he then proceeded to seal the Yang chakra of the Kyuubi inside his son while at the same exact time sealing his own chakra, and his wife's chakra inside his son for the days that he would be tempted to remove the seal on the cage and the days he would attempt to master/tame the beast himself. Won a war by himself with his FTG.

Tsunade granddaughter of Hashirama, grandniece of Tobirama. She is the greatest Medical Shinobi of her time, and obviously physically the strongest.

Now to say that Itachi is stronger or better than all of them is a huge long shot seeing as I don't see him being able to contend against the 1st, 2nd or 4th Hokage.

If you say all he would have to do is Tsukuyomi them and he wins......I say try again. Both Hashirama and Tobirama must have gone against that technique several times when fighting against Madara and Izuna enough so that Madara ended up going blind because of over using his Mangekyou Sharingan, and Minato would have most likely known about it and he would be too fast for Itachi to even catch him in the first place....even Tsunade would be able to break out of that technique.

So no Itachi isn't "stronger" than all the previous Hokages, he would probably be able to own Tsunade and Hiruzen but not after a struggle against the two. But he would fall if he had to fight Hashirama, or Tobirama, or Minato.

Yup this is the best explanation ever

 

[Maina Deah]

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Now Itachi is overrated. Minato and Hashirama > Itachi

 

[thenarutoking]

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itachis eyes wont last against someone like hashirama. and im sure the sword will never hit. but its all on opinion

 

[prometheus]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Alright I will admit that Itachi is a genius to be able to do and foresee everything that he has, but to go the distance to say that he is "stronger than previous Hokages" is very much of a long shot.

Hashirama and Tobirama were the strongest of their times, and have been considered Legends even to shinobi of other countries.

Hashirama eternal rival of Madara Uchiha, he fought against Madara who possessed the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, and had the Kyuubi on his side and still couldn't beat him even if he was only there to "acquire" cells. The injuries he took that day still affect him today in the manga. Could control tailed beasts and the true possessor of the Mokuton (Wood Release) element.

Tobirama fought with his brother against the Uchiha, which at that time two of them had Mangekyou Sharingan and still lived to continue his legacy. He also fought against the KinGin brothers when the attempted a Coupe D'etat against Tobirama and Nidaime Raikage, and still lived to tell the tale and they even had the Kyuubi power and the So6P's tools at their side. Creator of the Impure World Resurrection, a skilled user of Space/Time ninjutsu, master of the water element

Hiruzen trained by both Hashirama and Tobirama, was the Hokage for the longest amount of time, and was considered the greatest of his time. Though we only got too see him fight against Oro and the Edo Kages.

Minato a true genius, creator of the Rasengan, Flying Thunder God technique. Faster than A, Yondaime Raikage. He fought against Madara Uchiha and won, he then proceeded to seal the Yang chakra of the Kyuubi inside his son while at the same exact time sealing his own chakra, and his wife's chakra inside his son for the days that he would be tempted to remove the seal on the cage and the days he would attempt to master/tame the beast himself. Won a war by himself with his FTG.

Tsunade granddaughter of Hashirama, grandniece of Tobirama. She is the greatest Medical Shinobi of her time, and obviously physically the strongest.

Now to say that Itachi is stronger or better than all of them is a huge long shot seeing as I don't see him being able to contend against the 1st, 2nd or 4th Hokage.

If you say all he would have to do is Tsukuyomi them and he wins......I say try again. Both Hashirama and Tobirama must have gone against that technique several times when fighting against Madara and Izuna enough so that Madara ended up going blind because of over using his Mangekyou Sharingan, and Minato would have most likely known about it and he would be too fast for Itachi to even catch him in the first place....even Tsunade would be able to break out of that technique.

So no Itachi isn't "stronger" than all the previous Hokages, he would probably be able to own Tsunade and Hiruzen but not after a struggle against the two. But he would fall if he had to fight Hashirama, or Tobirama, or Minato.

1. Madara has never been shown using tsukuyomi, neither has Izuna so your point that the first came across the technique befpre seems invalid
i believe this point is vlid seeing as every uchiha who has awakened the mangyekyu has had different techs associated with it so i believe the 1st and 2nd will have a hard time defending against this

2. I dont think the first has a defense against amaterasu and i base this on the following reasons:
a) the 1st has not been shown to be very fast and the only way to avoid to amaterasu is to dodge it or seal it away
b) even the wood element will have a hard time against it due to the fact that it keeps burning

3) Susano`o is Itachis trump card and the first and second will find it hard to beat.

4) Anyone who claims itachi is weak in taijutsu or ninjutsu should go back and read the manga, because i can firmly state that Itachi did not become head of the Anbu black ops by burning everyone with ameteratsu or using the tsukuyomi so i think he had a considerable amount of knowledge

5) another reason i think he can take on the fist is intel: not intelligence, intel
a common feature of the narutoverse is that in a battle among evenly matched ninja the one with the most intel wins as shown with Jiraiya vs pain and naruto vs pain, Itachi being in the new generation would have a lot more intel on hashirama and tobirama than they would have had on him

6) Against the third i think Itachi looses due to the fact that they both were living in the same times and hiruzen would have a lot more intel on itachi and also for his eensive knowledge of jutsu

7) against the fourth i am thinking tie due tt the fact that even though minato is way faster than itachi his ftg might be restricted due to susano`o surrounding itachi and honestly FTG is about all i know for minato so i think i am not well equipped to predict the battle.

8) Itachi trumps Tsunade need i say anything...........

9) Itachi beats Danzo because remember the only reason Danzo did not touch sasuke in the village was because he feared itachi

so to conclude i will state that this post is a bit one sided so feel free to come up with points for the hokages and we will battle it out

 

[thenarutoking]

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yo i remembered itachi is immortal now. because he is still revived from edo tensei which means only seals will beat him. every1 is fuked haha

 

[Boo Betty]

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he could very well be he thinks like the fourth hokage

 

[wall2cp3]

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itachi is my man and i could agree with you that he's stronger than n e hokage with the exception of minato i could never say anyones stronger than him. if i had to guess on the weakest it'd either be tobirama or tsunade but then again tobirama has powerful water style so maybe tsunade

 

[arv993]

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1. Madara has never been shown using tsukuyomi, neither has Izuna so your point that the first came across the technique befpre seems invalid
i believe this point is vlid seeing as every uchiha who has awakened the mangyekyu has had different techs associated with it so i believe the 1st and 2nd will have a hard time defending against this

2. I dont think the first has a defense against amaterasu and i base this on the following reasons:
a) the 1st has not been shown to be very fast and the only way to avoid to amaterasu is to dodge it or seal it away
b) even the wood element will have a hard time against it due to the fact that it keeps burning

3) Susano`o is Itachis trump card and the first and second will find it hard to beat.

4) Anyone who claims itachi is weak in taijutsu or ninjutsu should go back and read the manga, because i can firmly state that Itachi did not become head of the Anbu black ops by burning everyone with ameteratsu or using the tsukuyomi so i think he had a considerable amount of knowledge

5) another reason i think he can take on the fist is intel: not intelligence, intel
a common feature of the narutoverse is that in a battle among evenly matched ninja the one with the most intel wins as shown with Jiraiya vs pain and naruto vs pain, Itachi being in the new generation would have a lot more intel on hashirama and tobirama than they would have had on him

6) Against the third i think Itachi looses due to the fact that they both were living in the same times and hiruzen would have a lot more intel on itachi and also for his eensive knowledge of jutsu

7) against the fourth i am thinking tie due tt the fact that even though minato is way faster than itachi his ftg might be restricted due to susano`o surrounding itachi and honestly FTG is about all i know for minato so i think i am not well equipped to predict the battle.

8) Itachi trumps Tsunade need i say anything...........

9) Itachi beats Danzo because remember the only reason Danzo did not touch sasuke in the village was because he feared itachi

so to conclude i will state that this post is a bit one sided so feel free to come up with points for the hokages and we will battle it out

well we never kno what madara had so yea your points would be true if did not have them but if he did then it is wrong, so for now we can't really tell. But the third is also a tough one cos he is the god of shinobi and everything and was known as the strongest kage of his generation but we have not seen much of his abilities like when he was in his prime.

 

[Misuto]

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soooo true itachi is strong i cnt doubt tht

 

[ObeastPlaya]

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Itachi is very powerful, but I doubt he could beat the first 4 Hokages, everyone overrates all of his abilities like he has no weaknesses and unlimited chakra, when the fact is Itachi has the lowest chakra reserves out of the whole Akatsuki,, stamina plays a huge part imagine if Kakashi had huge stamina then he'd be the most powerful ninja of all time because he'd warp every attack away, but he doesn't and he can't. The only person imo who is capable of beating the all the Hokages is Nagato, he defeated Hanzo and Hanzo defeated the 3 legendary sannin at once, nobody could beat Nagato without knowing his secret and he is the strongest out of Akatsuki, if Itachi was strongest why not become their leader? That would benefit him more than being just a henchman, but Itachi is very strong, just not the strongest.

 

[black uchiha]

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Itachi all the way

 

[HybridXia]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

By hype and feats from manga recently.Even assuming that he doesn't has Shisui's gen,he's still the strongest.

His genjutsu is

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to be immensely powerful eclipsing even Madara by reputation.The genjutsu is impossibly avoidable because it involves eye contact.Adding the fact that if you don't meet his eyes,you'll look at his fingers.
It's incorrect to say that his genjutsu is breakable,since a long-experienced shinobi

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Susano'o >Death Reaper Seal by effectiveness.

I said it once,and I would say it again.Madara indicated that he lost to Hashirama to 'gain access of his abilities'/simply put he wasn't fighting seriously back then.Hashirama tamed Kyuubi with Mokuton.Itachi could've done the same with genjutsu.Itachi>Hashirama by feats.

I also find that Itachi's taijutsu bested all previous hokages'.

i wouldn't say he is better then the previous hokages at taijutsu but anything else as in ninjutsu or genjutsu then yea...i have to agree with you in some areas

 

[-Jiraiya-]

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We dont know the 1, 2, 4 Hokage's full capabilities. We only know that they use wood style, water style, FTG. Thats all. I haven't seen any Uchiha become a Hokage despite they are called "elite" or "genius". Itachi was a great ninja, I accept that but I dont think he can win against Kages.

 

[Zanji]

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1. Madara has never been shown using tsukuyomi, neither has Izuna so your point that the first came across the technique befpre seems invalid
i believe this point is vlid seeing as every uchiha who has awakened the mangyekyu has had different techs associated with it so i believe the 1st and 2nd will have a hard time defending against this

2. I dont think the first has a defense against amaterasu and i base this on the following reasons:
a) the 1st has not been shown to be very fast and the only way to avoid to amaterasu is to dodge it or seal it away
b) even the wood element will have a hard time against it due to the fact that it keeps burning

3) Susano`o is Itachis trump card and the first and second will find it hard to beat.

4) Anyone who claims itachi is weak in taijutsu or ninjutsu should go back and read the manga, because i can firmly state that Itachi did not become head of the Anbu black ops by burning everyone with ameteratsu or using the tsukuyomi so i think he had a considerable amount of knowledge

5) another reason i think he can take on the fist is intel: not intelligence, intel
a common feature of the narutoverse is that in a battle among evenly matched ninja the one with the most intel wins as shown with Jiraiya vs pain and naruto vs pain, Itachi being in the new generation would have a lot more intel on hashirama and tobirama than they would have had on him

6) Against the third i think Itachi looses due to the fact that they both were living in the same times and hiruzen would have a lot more intel on itachi and also for his eensive knowledge of jutsu

7) against the fourth i am thinking tie due tt the fact that even though minato is way faster than itachi his ftg might be restricted due to susano`o surrounding itachi and honestly FTG is about all i know for minato so i think i am not well equipped to predict the battle.

8) Itachi trumps Tsunade need i say anything...........

9) Itachi beats Danzo because remember the only reason Danzo did not touch sasuke in the village was because he feared itachi

so to conclude i will state that this post is a bit one sided so feel free to come up with points for the hokages and we will battle it out

1.) Yes Madara and Izuna have yet to be shown to use Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi, But there is still that possibility of them being able to. But Madara has shown to have one of the better end Mangekyou Abilities compared to the others, other than Shisui's Mangekyou ability.

2.) We have no idea how fast he was, but you don't need to be fast to take on an Uchiha as shown with him taking on Madara and the Kyuubi. As for sealing arts he was the one who created the scroll of seals, a scroll that possessed vast amounts of forbidden techniques. And his wood element has been mentioned many times greater than anyone else's wood technique who have had his cells implanted into them.

3.) Susano'o is infact a trump card but you have forgotten the massive strain Itachi's Mangekyou puts on him especially when he uses Susano'o even then when he used it he was barely able to withstand the full blunt force of Kirin.

4.) I never claimed such a thing about him, he is a genius and highly skilled in Taijutsu and Ninjutsu, as well as his Doujutsu's.

5.) Intel yeah Itachi may have read up on Hashirama and Tobirama, but intel never fully shows or tells you that persons fullest capabilities because those can only be fully experienced in battle. Also Hashirama knew a great deal about techniques he could never use as well as Tobirama, these two men alone created some of the most troublesome techniques that are still used today, Naruto's Multi-Shadow Clone, he learned from the scroll Hashirama created. Impure World Resurrection, created by Tobirama, but he never fully mastered it and I again state he was skilled in Space-Time techniques to a degree none of us know about.

6.) Hiruzen was an old man when Itachi was just a child, so by the time Itachi was a grown man I would honestly give this fight to Itachi due to youth and techniques that Hiruzen probably never had to deal with first hand. But would know how to get around them to make it a truly intense battle.

7.) Minato is a master at fuuinjutsu (sealing arts) as well as Space-Time techniques, and Rasengan. With Space-Time not only does he have his FTG but also his ST Barrier which is a highly troublesome tech where he can "redirect" any attack launched at him to any location he desires, and he created the Death Reaper Seal so if it came too it he could choose to either sacrifice himself to end it or sacrifice a clone.

8.) Tsunade.......yeah the only thing I could see her doing is breaking out of his genjutsu due to her med exp. She would know how.

9.) I don't even consider Danzou to be a Hokage all he was, was an acting hokage who was a complete douche and moron imho :|

 

[theprimera]

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what is it with ppl and itachi? to say that he is better than the 1st is a spit in the face 2 the senju clan. sharingan or not they were on equal footing with the uchiha. secondly if Guy can do it so can the hokages that's 4 certain surpass all kages that FB/G talk! this post is pretentious and laughable, best taijutsu come on your tellin me that he's better than the only man during the 3rd GREAT NINJA WAR with FLEE ON SIGHT orders who in the current ninja war has that none no not 1 the fourth is ultra deadly and much faster than itachi not 2 mention agenius shinobi. finally, itachi held guy in reverence i highly doubt the 4th would feel the same. this topic is absurd, and as for hashirama being of the senju clan the rival of the uchihas i believe he would know how 2 deal with itach remember the senju have monstrous chakra reserves especially 1 fit 2 be hokage. in naruto world i cannot fathom amen as highly regarded as 1-4th hokages being allowed 2 lose to a support character.

 

[arv993]

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Itachi is very powerful, but I doubt he could beat the first 4 Hokages, everyone overrates all of his abilities like he has no weaknesses and unlimited chakra, when the fact is Itachi has the lowest chakra reserves out of the whole Akatsuki,, stamina plays a huge part imagine if Kakashi had huge stamina then he'd be the most powerful ninja of all time because he'd warp every attack away, but he doesn't and he can't. The only person imo who is capable of beating the all the Hokages is Nagato, he defeated Hanzo and Hanzo defeated the 3 legendary sannin at once, nobody could beat Nagato without knowing his secret and he is the strongest out of Akatsuki, if Itachi was strongest why not become their leader? That would benefit him more than being just a henchman, but Itachi is very strong, just not the strongest.

you are overhyping nagato he can't beat the 4th, minato is way too fast, and we can't be sure of 3rd and 2nd becos we don't kno much of them and i am pretty sure the 1st can beat becos he beat madara with the nine tails. nagato is extremely strong but has a weakness his 5 second time limit after shinra tensei and the sannin back then were not nearly as good as they are now, oro did not have edo tensei or his other forbidden techs, jiraya didn't use sage mode when we saw them lose and idk about tsunade. And itachi has a chance to beat nagato becos of sword of totsuka and his genjutsu and leader does not always mean the absolute strongest look at naruto he is stronger than the hokage leader of konoha and nagato was just taking orders from madara and not to mention that itachi can't be a leader cos technically he joined much later than when the akatsuki was created, so making him leader makes no sense.

 

[khaydz5]

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you are overhyping nagato he can't beat the 4th, minato is way too fast, and we can't be sure of 3rd and 2nd becos we don't kno much of them and i am pretty sure the 1st can beat becos he beat madara with the nine tails. nagato is extremely strong but has a weakness his 5 second time limit after shinra tensei and the sannin back then were not nearly as good as they are now, oro did not have edo tensei or his other forbidden techs, jiraya didn't use sage mode when we saw them lose and idk about tsunade. And itachi has a chance to beat nagato becos of sword of totsuka and his genjutsu and leader does not always mean the absolute strongest look at naruto he is stronger than the hokage leader of konoha and nagato was just taking orders from madara and not to mention that itachi can't be a leader cos technically he joined much later than when the akatsuki was created, so making him leader makes no sense.

stop bringing the five sec interval of shinra tensei. that is ONLY ONE of the jutsu nagato can perform! have you ever read manga or just stare at itachi every time?? nagato can still perform other jutsu with that interval so ur argument is a FAIL.

and don't bring crap that nagato was just taking orders from madara.. you're forgetting that itachi is just taking orders from nagato! lol.


nagato has a better chance on defeating all of the hokages than itachi

 

[prometheus]

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1.) Yes Madara and Izuna have yet to be shown to use Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi, But there is still that possibility of them being able to. But Madara has shown to have one of the better end Mangekyou Abilities compared to the others, other than Shisui's Mangekyou ability.

2.) We have no idea how fast he was, but you don't need to be fast to take on an Uchiha as shown with him taking on Madara and the Kyuubi. As for sealing arts he was the one who created the scroll of seals, a scroll that possessed vast amounts of forbidden techniques. And his wood element has been mentioned many times greater than anyone else's wood technique who have had his cells implanted into them.

3.) Susano'o is infact a trump card but you have forgotten the massive strain Itachi's Mangekyou puts on him especially when he uses Susano'o even then when he used it he was barely able to withstand the full blunt force of Kirin.

4.) I never claimed such a thing about him, he is a genius and highly skilled in Taijutsu and Ninjutsu, as well as his Doujutsu's.

5.) Intel yeah Itachi may have read up on Hashirama and Tobirama, but intel never fully shows or tells you that persons fullest capabilities because those can only be fully experienced in battle. Also Hashirama knew a great deal about techniques he could never use as well as Tobirama, these two men alone created some of the most troublesome techniques that are still used today, Naruto's Multi-Shadow Clone, he learned from the scroll Hashirama created. Impure World Resurrection, created by Tobirama, but he never fully mastered it and I again state he was skilled in Space-Time techniques to a degree none of us know about.

6.) Hiruzen was an old man when Itachi was just a child, so by the time Itachi was a grown man I would honestly give this fight to Itachi due to youth and techniques that Hiruzen probably never had to deal with first hand. But would know how to get around them to make it a truly intense battle.

7.) Minato is a master at fuuinjutsu (sealing arts) as well as Space-Time techniques, and Rasengan. With Space-Time not only does he have his FTG but also his ST Barrier which is a highly troublesome tech where he can "redirect" any attack launched at him to any location he desires, and he created the Death Reaper Seal so if it came too it he could choose to either sacrifice himself to end it or sacrifice a clone.

8.) Tsunade.......yeah the only thing I could see her doing is breaking out of his genjutsu due to her med exp. She would know how.

9.) I don't even consider Danzou to be a Hokage all he was, was an acting hokage who was a complete douche and moron imho :|

1) lets call a truce on the tsukuyomi due to inadequate info

2) Yes you dont need to be fast to take on a regular Uchiha but Itachi isn`t any regular uchiha he was capable of wiping out his own clan, and against itachi you need speed because any lapse or slow footing can lead to your demise.

3) u said he barely withstood the kirin please do me a favor and review how many people have been killed using kakashi weak raikiri( with all due respect to kakashi) and you would understand just how much of a defense susano`o is

4) sorry about that i was refering to someone else but i didn`t know how to quote his post

5) lets get real tobirama would never use impure world ressurection, and i think you know why

6)giving this fight to itachi will be ironic since hiruzen surpassed his teachers learning to use almost every tech/element not sure which. So by your logic if itachi owns hiruzen the obiously he defeats he frist and second.

7) Now minato is a different story altogether and i agree he owns itachi

8) Tsunade ......come on

 

[Lord Painz]

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I think minato and itachi are on the same level hard to say that either one would own each other. There kind of like naruto and sasuke ppl still arguing whos stronger. Minato vs itachi whos stronger<< nothing gets solve with threads like these at the end of the day ur favorite character wins no matter what the other person says