Itachi's Strength

[UchihaJuiceBox]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

please give me proof that he can't...

And don't say : because it's naruto's weakness... i mean we haven't even seen the full power of minato, we just saw some of his moves against madara, where he broke the seal controlling the kyuubi, cut of madara's hand and sacrificed him self to protect the village and give naruto powers to defeat madara.

Itachi is great, i would rate him in my top 5, but guys and i mean all who says minato can't dodge genjutsu or tsukoyomi, there is no proof. And just because naruto can't dosen't mean Jiraya and minato couldn't.

I would say that itachi is about on par with nagato or Jiraya. Remember jiraya fought against 6 pains, not even itachi would be able to fight like jiraya did against all the pains.

with susanoo and amaterasu, those pains would have been destroyed easily. i dont doubt that minato is a badass and prolly knew how to handle genjutsu, but we still havent even seen itachi fight a battle seriously. the expressions on his face when he fights look as though hes not even trying. itachi may not be the best, he might be. he is strong though, and id bet he would give any ninja a run for their money, if not, defeat them.

 

[Nidaimerocks]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Out of all the resurrected ninja who are being controlled, itachi was the only one who broke free. the 3rd hokage got his ass kicked by orochimaru. the 1st and second hokage kept up w the 3rd hokage when they were resurrected. that makes orochimaru better. orochimaru was defeated effortlessly by itachi. i think itachi is kage level, and probably could beat the previous ones.

That is some bad reasoning you are displaying there buddy. Breaking free of edo tensei has nothing to do with one's strength. Itachi got lucky because koto amatsukami was programmed to change the state of mind of whomever had his eyes.

Now, there is no doubt that Itachi is kage level and even stronger than most kages. However, he is not stronger than most hokages. He is weaker than shodai and yondaime for sure. Shodai is stronger than EMS Madara while yondaime can simply destroy Itachi with hiraishin.

I think nidaime is as strong as Itachi. Edo tensei and space-time ninjutsu allow him to defeat anyone Itachi can defeat.

Now, Itachi is definitely stronger than Tsunade. Sandaime is a big unknown, based on feats and story relevance, Itachi rapes but Sandaime has some unsubstantiated hype going for him.

 

[toad sage-hristo]

my thought is that he its i mixture of both bein popular and kishi's portrayal of him as bein really powerfull in the manga

 

[ST4YSTR0NG]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

Exactly.

Just to remind everyone, that when itachi fought,

Deidara, Kakashi,and Orochimaru.

He literally ended them ALL in the first few seconds.

Orochimaru managed to kill the 3rd Hokage ( was known to be the strongest in the history )

And if Itachi defeats Oro in the 1st minute. What does that say what Itachi can do to all the others.


Itachi would have more Trouble with JIRAIYA then he would with ANY of the past 4 hokages.

That is only because i believe Jiraiya's sage mode would render his tsukyonmi useless because of the chakra instability.

I know your gonna say Minato would win, because he's too quick.
, well... not really. Itachi only has to point his finger, or just disperse into crows so he cant be hit.

Eitherway, once anyone is hit with 3 days of Pure intense pain. They're gonna be wobly.

And theres no reason why Itachi couldnt just do it straight away as soon as its ended. and give them another hellacious experience.

The rule's simple. Never fight against a sharinghan user 1v1 as you will not win.

Jiraiya of all people told us this, and something tells me he wasnt lieing.

It is right that Jiraiya said you shouldn't 1on1 with a sharingan user, and Minato outsmarted Madara 1on1. So you might say Itachi is different from Madara? Why? You don't think Madara could use genjutsus? Also all the Itachi could own 1st hokage thing is too much. Madara attacked with Kyuubi as his weapon and I think that Itachi with all his susanoo would be barely defending himself against such immense chakra, unless he catches Kyuubi in a genjutsu. And I don't think they could completely tame Kyuubi in one shot. I know Itachi drained his chakra on purpose when he fought Sasuke, but the draining of his chakra was a lot. Right after he used tsukuyomi, amaterasu and susanoo he degraded significantly each time. By that I could say Itachi could only use his ultimate techniques only once. He is one of the best ninjas but not the best imo. Look at Naruto, 9 tails mode will be very powerful and he can use his ultimate several times. Minato did not seem to drain too much chakra while still fighting efficiently against Madara. :flaw:

Orochimaru did not kill the 3rd. The 3rd fought the 2 previous kages and stopped Orochimaru from completing his mission. These guys Oro and Deidara are only filled with malice or so, they severely underestimated Itachi, that doesn't make Itachi so strong that he's too much for the kages. Kakashi is one of the best ninjas from Konoha so his encounter with Itachi MS which didn't kill him surely made him stronger, it was also like (correct me if I'm wrong) his first time encountering MS genjutsu.

 

[blackbird31468]

yea thats true, people always try to say the 1st won cause madara wanted dna

are kidding me? people always say that the 1st won because he's stronger.

i agree with you that madara did not lose on purpose madara if he was stronger than hashirama would have gotten his dna no problem and would not have let hashirama beat him so hard that he would not recover for decades. But when someone is dead you can't extract info from them just to let you kno.

madara probably went back thinking he was easily going to take his dna with the 9-tails on his side and undrestemated him. which caused him to take on more damagae than he could handle. like sasuke.

 

[ablepema]

are kidding me? people always say that the 1st won because he's stronger.



madara probably went back thinking he was easily going to take his dna with the 9-tails on his side and undrestemated him which cause him to take on more damagae than he could handle. like sasuke.

why would he underestimate his rival who was able to have the ability to tame all tailed beasts.

 

[ackeem1992]

what a long thread

 

[windnature]

what a long thread

And now it's even longer

 

[kadowade]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

O.O O.O 95% of RAIKAGES POWER...u must be jokin...hes got tailed beast level chakra, he can do FAR more moves and techs than shown against sasuke, hes a kage, he cant do just only that...all the kages werent even play fighting wid sasuke...it was at most target practice, he was gettin murked by raikage even though he wasn't even going 20%...no even 10% against sasuke U_U, he got saved LOADS of times in every fight against every kage. He didnt do one of his fastest punches against sasuke did he (but he did it against naruto even though they where just gettin round n the other blockin, and not even play fighting wid each other at all xd)...also sasuke should of died like 5 times...if it wasnt for sussano im sorry but sasuke would be dead. And what do u mean BARELY brake sussanos bones, he broke a good amount of bones with liger bomb.

O.O And did u say sasuke was able to KEEP UP WITH HIMO.O U_U :flaw:, now this is just ridiculous...sasuke couldnt even react to raikages speed at ALL see the fight in the manga or anime again PLEASE, after raikage dodged amaterasu at such a close range in a split sec or less, sasuke is shown in the manga and anime to be lookin around the place to see where raikage is...then raikage comes and does some next move and sasukes still lookin the other way trying to see where he is (ref. chapter 463 pg 13-14), the only reason he clocked raikage is cos raikage screamed out the move xd. Even karin said sasuke couldnt keep up wid raikage at ALL so fail .

Also maybe at points she (tsunade) was gettin owned by kabuto at points, it was only cos kabuto later on knew her weakness cos oro told him. Overall tsunade would whip her ass wid her diamond forehead tech (cant remeber da name), that makes he wounds instantly regenerate, also he strength....nuff said, we havent even seen 20% of her power so.....fail.

We do know some stuff about 2nd hokage READ da manga... he can use space-time tech, master of water release (do a 40 seals tech with 1 seal, see sarutobi vs 1st and 2nd hokage), calculate how many opponents in terrain with 1 finger, (minato can do that as well), and thats not even breaking into the surface of what he can do and his power O.O... (the senju clan werent called 1000 tech clan for nothin).

Don't underestimate the 3rd, just his presence was ripping up the tiles and enviroment (and his chakra is nowhere near as powerful as a few years younger and still tromendously powerful chakra, mentioned by ANBU), also even oro said the 3rd just 10 years younger would beat him. And oro is beyond immeasurably Overpoweredly powerful..hes been scratched in half and still survived easily, Hes immortal...nuff said.

Dont underestimate kazekage gaara, he blocked amaterasu with his sand, and amaterasu is released on FOCUSED contact, it doesn't travel but appears on the focused contact (killer bee vs sasuke this is shown), and gaara still blocked it. Also gaara is just so badass now...see his fight against his dad the 4th kazekage...(even though we never saw and he never showed nowhere near all the 4th kazes power, not even 10%, and he was under control). Now tell me that gaara is one immensely powerful ninja, garaa uses some sick landscape busting tech against the 4th kaze (although 4th kaze countered it with another landscape busting tech).

We cannot say for a fact but only assume these things when we havent seen itachi go even 50% (sickness, didnt want to kill sasuke in fight)...and havent seen any kages go more than even 20%...no even 10%. And if they have gone more than 10% show me from the manga how, cos in fact they havent (except for when 3rd hokage fought against oro...but he was OLD).

What are you talking about, Raikage couldnt kill sasuke, he wasa bout to Die if it wasent for Garra protecting him. He was bout to land right in Amaterasu. Even sasukes baby Amaterasu could kill Raikage, You keep forgetting that Sasuke was a BABY compared to itachi.

And Jiraiya Toad mouth trap is wayy Stronger than garra's Sand

Sasuke's Amaterasu couldnt even Peirce garra's sand-

But itachi periced jiraiyas Toad mouth trap, in like a second, And Jiraiya stated "NO ONE has EVER escaped from here". so Fail.

If you had common sense you would already know Itachi was stronger than sasukes. All of itachi's techniques was Superior to sasukes.

Even sasukes Tsukiyomi, Madara said was a far cry from itachi's

And im not inderestimating garra. its just that Itachi would murder Garra, im sorry dude. Just becuz he beat his dad DOSENT mean he can kill itachi- Itachi prolly wouldnt even get hit with a Grain of sand. Especially since he has susano'o, but he wont even need it.

And Orochimaru was no where near itachi's level. Itachi was the reason orochimaru left Akatsuki, So fail. It was pointless bringing up Orochimaru, while talkin bout Itachi. Orochimaru was basically scared of him. after itachi owned him.

And we have seen Raikage go past 30% actually way more like 70%. One of his henchmen was mentioning, something about him having to use his lighting armor against sasuke. Raikage wasent joking with sasuke. He was all yelling "WHERES SASUKE" and was the first to encounter him. Raikage was MAAD becuz wat sasuke did to Bee. So raikage DEFINATLY went pass 50% of his power. Even though he did break a bone of susano'o, Sasuke just regenerated it anyway. Even Raikage henchmen said No one ever survied Liger Bomb. Sasukes puny Susano'o, was able to survive Raikeges Liger bomb.
(Not puny, but compared to Itachi's it was, Considering itachi has Yata Mirror, which Zetsu stated Repels Every Phisical Attack, (The ultimate defense, with sasuke dosent have.

So sasuke was almost up to par with the Kages, even though he was exhausted. Even though he lost. He was only there For Danzou anyway, he had to save up atleast some strenght to fight Danzou.

 

[blackbird31468]

why would he underestimate his rival who was able to have the ability to tame all tailed beasts.

maybe he couldn't tame beasts at the time and learned how when madara left.

 

[ablepema]

maybe he couldn't tame beasts at the time and learned how when madara left.

very unlikly because he had to stop the nine tails.

 

[kadowade]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

please give me proof that he can't...

And don't say : because it's naruto's weakness... i mean we haven't even seen the full power of minato, we just saw some of his moves against madara, where he broke the seal controlling the kyuubi, cut of madara's hand and sacrificed him self to protect the village and give naruto powers to defeat madara.

Itachi is great, i would rate him in my top 5, but guys and i mean all who says minato can't dodge genjutsu or tsukoyomi, there is no proof. And just because naruto can't dosen't mean Jiraya and minato couldn't.

I would say that itachi is about on par with nagato or Jiraya. Remember jiraya fought against 6 pains, not even itachi would be able to fight like jiraya did against all the pains.

lmao where the proof that he can escape a Genjutsu.

Itachi caught countless ppl in Genjutsu, and is feared by some ppl becuz of it.

Dont forget ONLY Tsukiyomi requires Eye contact. Not regular Genjutsu. and theres no dodging it if dosent require eye contact

 

[ablepema]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

lmao where the proof that he can escape a Genjutsu.

Itachi caught countless ppl in Genjutsu, and is feared by some ppl becuz of it.

Dont forget ONLY Tsukiyomi requires Eye contact. Not regular Genjutsu. and theres no dodging it if dosent require eye contact

naruto doesn't need to look at sasuke he could sense meaning like he knows where he is doesn't need direct eye contact to face him.

 

[masterylucain]

By hype and feats from manga recently.Even assuming that he doesn't has Shisui's gen,he's still the strongest.

His genjutsu is

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to be immensely powerful eclipsing even Madara by reputation.The genjutsu is impossibly avoidable because it involves eye contact.Adding the fact that if you don't meet his eyes,you'll look at his fingers.
It's incorrect to say that his genjutsu is breakable,since a long-experienced shinobi

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Susano'o >Death Reaper Seal by effectiveness.

I said it once,and I would say it again.Madara indicated that he lost to Hashirama to 'gain access of his abilities'/simply put he wasn't fighting seriously back then.Hashirama tamed Kyuubi with Mokuton.Itachi could've done the same with genjutsu.Itachi>Hashirama by feats.

I also find that Itachi's taijutsu bested all previous hokages'.

Are you mad!??!?!!? This is too much. His taijutsus do not best the previous hokages. madara can defeat itachi, and so can Harashima, your giving itachi too much credit.

 

[kadowade]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

naruto doesn't need to look at sasuke he could sense meaning like he knows where he is doesn't need direct eye contact to face him.

How can u dodge a Genjutsu that dosent require eye contactU_U
Like i sed ONLY Tsukiyomi requires Eye contact, regular genjutsu dosent

 

[ablepema]

Re: Itachi is stronger than previous Hokages

How can u dodge a Genjutsu that dosent require eye contactU_U
Like i sed ONLY Tsukiyomi requires Eye contact, regular genjutsu dosent

He's to fast

 

[ablepema]

but he could probably still get caught in it depends.

 

[kadowade]

but he could probably still get caught in it depends.

Its not dodgeable, Genjutsu just automatically places u under it,
It appears in your mentallity, it dosent travel

unless its sound genjutsu, like jiraiyas

 

[Team Avenger]

I have a feeling all the fans picked "he's that powerful" and the haters picked "too much fans" xD

Thank God for neutrality...

 

[Kinimaster]

Wikipedia stuff.

-Genjutsu (幻術?, lit. "illusion techniques") are techniques that use the chakra in the victim's mind system to create illusions. The most commonly seen genjutsu in the series is the simple creation of phantasms – causing the targeted person(s) to hear, see, smell, taste or feel sensations that are not actually there in order to manipulate them. Most genjutsu affects the five senses, though other applications of genjutsu exist. Those under the influence of genjutsu either freeze in place or lose consciousness, depending on how capable they are in recognizing and defending against it. A genjutsu can be broken in one of three ways. The first is "genjutsu cancel" (幻術解 genjutsu kai?), a disruption of the victim's chakra flow either by themselves or their allies.[16] Pain that is not a result of the genjutsu, such as stabbing oneself, is a second method of countering genjutsu. Finally, if the caster of the genjutsu loses focus for whatever reason, the jutsu will end and the victim is freed.[17]

-Tsukuyomi (月読?), a genjutsu that traps the opponent in a realm controlled by the user, during where days of subjective time can pass instantly, and as such allows no time for the target to break free of the jutsu.

-Generally, however, Itachi does not actively participate in battles, remaining in a stationary position where he analyzes an opponent's actions, only then acting in self-defense. In these instances he relies heavily on trapping opponents in illusions to keep them preoccupied, something he can do merely by pointing or looking at them.