Itachi vs "xyz"
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maybe next time you should use your brain.
Hashirama was the strongest shinobi of his time. he beat the strongest Uchiha of his time and your unsure he can beat Itachi?
Tobirama is no stranger to the powers of sharingan and MS. he too is more than capable of beating Itachi.
Sasuke has Itachi's eyes. Itachi cannot do anything that Sasuke cannot. Sasuke can do things that Itachi cannot. Kiri, chidori, manipulate amaterasu, bow and arrow Sasunoo, etc.
your going to use the past encounters Naruto and Itachi had to say Naruto cant win? thats like me saying Sasuke cant beat Rock Lee because in their last encounter Lee beat Sasuke. smh
Raikage and Bee both proved that they are immune to many of the MS jutsus and can fight agaisnt it. Tsukiyomi cannot stop Bee, Amaterasu cant touch Raikage, etc etc.
Deidara was different back than. he wasnt prepared for genjutsu. he has trained his eye to counter genjutsu. he has prepared a explosion technique just for Itachi.
Pain is unaffected by certain genjutsus. genjutsu didnt work for Pain when Animal Path was being interogated by Ebizu. but anyways Pain is on another level than Itachi. there is a reason why Pain was in charge of Akatsuki and Itachi was taking orders from him.
i'll terminate my NB account if you can show me in the manga at least one time where someone died from Amaterasu!
if Zetsu wasnt a fighter than wtf would Madara make an army of them? lol
Kakashi said he needed Naruto as back up. but Kakashi is still alot stronger than the second time he faced Itachi.
Deidara blew himself up. Sasuke was out of chakra and could barely move. Sasuke was lucky he had the snake to protect him and Suigetsu to summon him.
also Sasuke is alot more different than the last time he faced Itachi. he even has Itachi's eyes now. not only does he has his powers but he has Itachi's powers as well.
Kabuto is using a jutsu. EdoTensi is a jutsu. a technique. a weapon. so whether you dont consider him fighting or not it is Kabuto's technique, and Kabutos in control, able to make the Edo Tensi's do his bidding. so in other words you are wrong and it is Kabuto fighting. that is why Itachi wouldnt be able to beat Kabuto because Kabuto can summon a massive army of powerful ninjas to jump Itachi. Pain, jinchurikis, kin gin, deidara, sasori, kakuzu, kimmimaru, hanzo, past kages, etc. you telling me Itachi can fight all the legendary ninjas byhimself and win?
you should reread the manga. its implied that Madara was the strongest Uchiha in history. he was probably the strongest ninja in history second to the 1st. but anyways Itachi couldnt even take out Madara. Konan was closer to taking him out than he was. Madara is way powerful than Itachi. whether EMS Madara or Tobi/Madara.
Mangekyou Sharingan is not invincible. Hashirama who was a wood style user beat Madara who had EMS. so how hard is it to believe that Yamato can beat Itachi? Danzo wasnt even going full on Sasuke. he was saving energy to also fight Madara.
Kinkaku and Ginkaku fight as a team. but anyways either together or alone they both can beat Itachi. they have way more power than Itachi. and eventually Itachi would be hit by the rope. especially since Itachi doesnt even know their secret. Itachi would never know how the Treasures work, would never know about the word game and would be sealed because he would be silent long enough to be sealed.
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lol no way that doesnt count! and how do people even remember that? that was like a tiny detail out of the whole story but people rememeber a snake being burned by black flames??
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Lmao... A deal is a deal. Snake was the essence of Orochimaru, therefore Orochimaru is dead because of it. Thanks to Itachi.
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no no no no no ... Orochimaru was sealed by Itachi. his leftover snake was burned accidently by a black flame. but the snake was not a person or anything of importance lol..
Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't true. We've been told that Hashirama and Madara are these extremely powerful ninja, but have we seen them fight or kill someone? Tobi is Tobi until further notice, so Madara himself was not shown that much, but we still believe he was the strongest uchiha and bla bla. Amaterasu has been said to be one of the strongest ninjutsu in existence. There's no denying it.
Hmmm. I watched this clip quite a few times I believe Kisame may be talking about Naruto and his transformation into the Kyuubi. I mean makes sense were Kisame believes the Sharingan will work best on the kyuubi but Itachi knows it will take a lot of toll on his eyes and he may even get blind.
I mean logically speaking Itachi and Kisame can take Jiriaya you got Kisame and Samehada who eats Ninjutsu which most of Jiriaya's move revolves around and than Itachi who's smart tactic and abilities will help him and Kisame thru this easily.
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That's why I doubt they were talking about Jiriaya unless the manga and anime are just messed like that or they were talking about taking Pein out but I doubt that LOL
Well they can't be talking about Naruto 'cause it would sound ridiculous that Itachi would think they would die against Naruto lol. And if the would've,why they went straight to Naruto's place after he was separated from Jiraya? What ur saying sounds so far fetched. So yea they were talking about Jman. Either it sounds logical or not.
I think the manga and anime go little bit different like that, 'cause anime came later and Kishi obviously wanted the scene to go differently then. Not that it matters to story.
And lol no Pain isn't even a possibility.
I wasn't referring to Naruto but was referring to the Kyuubi inside him. The Kyuubi is far powerful than any other tailed beast. (Which is what Kisame and Itachi maybe fearing that if it get loose)
At the end of the manga page I showed you Itachi also says something like, "If it's true about Naruto...than we don't have to be hasty." What I guess he may mean about that not saying it's true just a thought he either knows Naruto hasn't controlled the Kyuubi yet and obviously it isn't a walk in the park thats why Itachi believes it won't be that hard to capture him.
Itachi even said if their were more people still would be the same outcome. I can see that with the Kyuubi but not Jiriaya. That page and the anime epi you showed just doesn't go together if you know what I mean but oh well guess will never know than. .
I know you meant Kyuubi Naruto.
I guess that Itachi said that about Naruto 'cause he didn't wanna hurt people of Konoha as was stated long after that. And so avoided confronting them as much as possible. And that being said it could also be that, that was the case when he said those things about Jiraya.
I agree, but he still said it so it's pointless to speculate so yeah, don't think we'll ever get answer to that.
Exactly, We shared are thoughts and they maybe different from one another but it's not like we will know the answer.
As for Itachi goes I have a feeling once we get to Tobi's flashbacks we will get to know Itachi a lot more and who he was in his youth
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lol no dount Amaterasu has killed a few people off screen! but on screen it has done nothing much! i think as a great jutsu its overrated. and i hate it when people say "Itachi will just use Amaterasu and match over" or something like that lol smh..
the gentsu not working on sasori comes from the fact that genjutsu affects the chakra circulatory system and with a puppet body there wuld be no chakra circulatory system...
Poison mist wuld not take out susanno..it wuld take out the user inside susanno...itachi would have to breath whil einsde susanno that means air can pass,if air can then poison mist can
Well that's the thing : You're saying that amaterasu is over-rated because it hasn't killed anyone on screen, but the fact is that if kishi decided to end a major fight with amaterasu, the whole fight would have been a huge let-down. Just imagine if Sasuke would have finished off Raikage with amaterasu, or Danzo with amaterasu. Then the whole point of the long, dragged fights with the winner somehow brilliantly making it just with a bit of chakra in the end would all be gone and naruto will take a more realistic turn in this sense, but also a more boring one. We know that amaterasu is one of the strongest ninjutsu, but whatever the jutsu may be, if someone uses it early in the fight, obviously the fight won't end because it needs to drag a few episodes to please all the action fans. When we debate about vs we use logic and don't look at fights the same way kishi does. He wants to drag them and the winner always (or at least most of the times) needs to win by a small margin. We, on the other hand, imagine the fighter would automatically use his best weapons from the beginning and try to end the fight ASAP. We, as debaters, need to understand that difference and because of it we need to adapt our debates accordingly.
At least that's what I believe.
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Thats exactly what I was thinking because they say "he might kill us, and even if we kill him we will die in the process" and then Kisame says "and his caretaker is the lengendary sannin" He has to be talking about Naruto in that situation.
But that doesn't seem logical if we really think about it.
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lol true but we did witness KinGin sealing at least 2 peoples. 3 if you count Darui who lucked out in the last second. also Sasori's poison almost killed Kankuro, Sakura and Chiyo. its because Sakura was a great medic and Chiyo with her knowledge and jutsus that allowed them to win.
but anyways my point is rope and seal, and poison have done more damge than Amaterasu. but i get what your saying.
thats well said and well put man
your abslutely right! but i dont take the storytelling as an excuse for why Amaterasu has failed in all its attempts to defeat an opponent. the fact that through the storytelling and all the moments where Amaterasu has failed is justification to say Amaterasu is an overrated technique.
Amaterasu could have at least killed that one random Samurai that was hit by accident instead o Raikage, but even than Kishi spared him, he was saved, just by Kankuro and Temari removing his armor. Amaterasu cant even kill a random Samurai, let alone ninjas
why would you even mention an edo tensei'd fight? pain vs itachi? lol. just for itachi to win? thats what you called desperate!! and even if immortal pain and itachi fight,still pain would pawn itachi.. imagine a full scale shinra tensei that destroys konoha every 5 sec? how can itachi survive that lol.
madara and pain said that "if" their opponent only knew their secret they would have lost. but that is just their way of being humble.. still itachi and jiraiya fails to win against them so still they loose whatever you said.. and my point here is you cant base your facts with that simple line "if [insert name] only knew my secret, im dead right now" its just an expression.its kinda dumb if you base the fight with that line.