[VS] Itachi vs SM Jiraiya

[Uverdore9]

Bee was serious so was naruto. No one in war is looking for chit chat especially when Naruto thought itachi was serious when he was holding back. The very proof naruto couldnt move a finger before itachi blitzed out prove this.

- Yomi numa and jizo and tongue slash wouldnt work on itachi when he could jump so fast bee couldnt even react and comprehend at that instant.

- Frog wall, frog kata, sage art goemon is useless when it wont hit/work/be useful against him. When we know preta reacted enough to raise his arms to block it. Itachi is at least 30 tiers above preta in speed.

- frog kata can be sensed or seen by itachi when we know itachi can read the hearts/souls of people to judge thier attack pattern and he can dodge it as its best feat is taking down a preta which is the weakest in terms of physical stats/attacks/defense.

- itachi is the most skillful user of kunai and his hands had enough power to cut off kabutos horn. He cannot use CQC/frog stomach against itachi when he can crush the stomach or he can crush jiraiya/cut him up with a kunai/blind him and disrupt his SM.

- This is all if Jiraiya can even sense itachis speed as a greater nagato couldnt before getting blitzed by Susanoos arm. Then we have the fact itachi is a sensor who can visualize his back as he noticed sasuke without turning around and threw kunai in blindspot without seeing which even surprised sasuke. Jiraiya cant attack before itachi senses his movement or sees his intention through soul reading.

- then theres the fact jiraiya cant break out of genjutsu which he cant detect nor can toads help him when they themselves cant detect it nor can they break it even if they detect it when weve the fact itachi will manipulate all three including other summons simultaneously and make them fight each other. Jiraiyas sound genjutsu can be reflected with sharingan or he can run faster than the sound genjutsu and attack them before they can react. I doubt jiraiya can even react or reflex or dodge itachis blitz.

- How will Jiraiya win against such odds?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

is this MA and PA sage mode? if so then the idea of itachi blitzing him is stupid.

 

[Uverdore9]

is this MA and PA sage mode? if so then the idea of itachi blitzing him is stupid.

How come? My analysis clearly touches this part of your point. :lol

 

[Styles]

Susano’o negs tbh. Jiraiya don’t have the fire power to fight off Susano’o and his strongest attack big ball Rasengan won’t work either due to Yata.

 

[Mori Jin]

Susano'o can't move around all Jiraiya needs to do (when it comes out) is wait for Itachi's weak stamina to drain. Then break his neck.

 

[Jinrou]

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Amaterasu:

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Amaterasu
Kekkei Genkai, Ninjutsu, Offensive, Close range

User(s): Uchiha Itachi

The ones reflected in these eyes turn to ash!! A black world-destroying conflagration that scorches all on heaven and earth!!

The Uchiha clan, originally significant as those with the fans which manipulate fire, traditionally specialize in Katon jutsu, but there is a legendary jutsu unknown outside the clan. This is Amaterasu. The appearance of these flames are jet-black. The high temperature is like the sun, and one time touching it is the last. It is said that this is named after the Goddess of the Sun as it continues to burn for seven days and seven nights. However, the Mangekyou Sharingan is necessary to activate this jutsu, and for this reason there are not many who have learned this jutsu. Therefore, the details of this jutsu are yet unrevealed…

The black flames that only the owner of the Mangekyou Sharingan can control are even able to instantly break through the side of a rock toad who breathes fire!!

Jiraiya, who has mastered many jutsu, did not know of the existence of Amaterasu. What he does understand is the power of the suspicious conflagration.

Amaterasu isn't the be all and end all. Its effectiveness mostly lies in the fact that it can spawn on its target but outside of its range (0-5m) its effectiveness is likely to be reduced and it would make more sense that the flames start travelling from 5m onwards.

Itachi wins it more times out of 10 imo. Should be close every time.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Itachi already admit that if they fight they would both die or be badly hurt.

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So draw.

How is this still a thing?

What Itachi would draw with is Kurama, not Jiraiya.

Itachi and Kisame alone, even if you believe Jiraiya to be superior to Itachi, could take down Jiraiya. More backup than that and it would become an absolute stomp. The wording used clearly shows it's meant to be Kurama, and if you look at part 1 of the manga as a whole, drawing vs the kyuubi is comparing him to the 4th Hokage/Minato, who we were told came to a stalemate with the kyuubi despite the backup of the entire village(thus the "no matter how much backup" comment).

The very first page of the very first chapter of the manga(this is the Viz translation, btw):

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Despite having all of Konoha as backup(backup probably wouldn't matter), the 4th Hokage had to kill himself to stop Kurama, thus a draw.

A quote from me from another thread breaking down the statement:

Coming back from my hiatus just to note that Kisame nor Itachi were speaking about Jiraiya in that famous manga page. They were speaking about the kyuubi, gotta read it in it's context, because the structure makes no sense if they're referring to Jiraiya.

The viz page:

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"Even if you might be able to take HIM on, I'm not so sure about me. HE'S in a different league."

"It was great finally finding HIM at the ramen shop, but.. HIS babysitter was one of the three great shinobi of konoha legend"

So..Jiraiya is babysitting Jiraiya?

No. Jiraiya is babysitting Naruto. That is the he(and why I emphasized the he/him etc) Kisame is referring to(well, the beast inside Naruto).

Kisame even notes after their encounter with Jiraiya that Itachi could have taken him.

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This came after Kisame had subdued Naruto by taking his chakra away from him so he was no longer considered a potential threat in releasing the kyuubi.

 

[blazekev90]

Jman has counters for most, if not of his techniques. Jman’s major downfall would be combating Itachi’s speed. Therefore, his best strategy would be to keep his distance. Overall; it’d be a close fight, with Itachi winning higher probability. 6/10.

 

[enditallsin]

This is quite a easy win for jiraiya,his moveset is just a bad match for itachi altogether. That on top of the fact that jiraiyas chakra reserves shitstomps on itachi's mean's that this isn't going to be a long fight. Point is jiraiya just has to many ways to ware itachi down. Realistically anyone who knows jiriaya's arsenal and the he fights should know that itachi doesn't have much of a chance. Only a fanboy would disagree. Jiraiya wins. Mid diff at at best. Trying not to make this more painful than it has to be.

 

[Edogawa]

He said that because he didn't want to accidentally kill anyone. His plan was just to get detected and run.

I'm guessing intention to almost killing and kidnap Kakashi as well as killing Asuma & Kuranai had Gai not shown up was part of his plan too, right? Lol

No mate. Itachi said that because Jiraiya is to that extent more powerful than him and Kisame. It is how Kishi portrayed him as such.

 

[Shruikan]

I'm guessing intention to almost killing and kidnap Kakashi as well as killing Asuma & Kuranai had Gai not shown up was part of his plan too, right? Lol

No mate. Itachi said that because Jiraiya is to that extent more powerful than him and Kisame. It is how Kishi portrayed him as such.

He wasn't even trying with Kakashi. Kakashi himself thought "Why not just kill me? If he wanted to, he could". He could have killed Asuma,Kutenai and Kakashi easily but it was all just an act. He intended on making enough noise so that backup would show which is when again appeared saying the Anbu had been alerted. His plan was successful and he withdrew. Itachi in a serious fight would defeat Jiraiya.

 

[Edogawa]

He wasn't even trying with Kakashi. Kakashi himself thought "Why not just kill me? If he wanted to, he could". He could have killed Asuma,Kutenai and Kakashi easily but it was all just an act. He intended on making enough noise so that backup would show which is when again appeared saying the Anbu had been alerted. His plan was successful and he withdrew. Itachi in a serious fight would defeat Jiraiya.

Him using Tsukuyomi apparently isn't ''trying'' to kill Kakashi? :lol Let me sum up what Kishimoto showed:

-Itachi uses Tsukuyomi.
-Kisame is surprised Kakashi survived it, implying Tsukuyomi could have killed him.
-Kakashi reveals information about Akatsuki.
-Itachi tells Kisame to kidnap Kakashi and kill Asuma and Kurenai.
-Gai shows up and saves the day.

If Gai didn't show up, all of those circumstances would have happened which makes your fanfic argument irrelevant. Itachi never put up an act until you have a scan, and even if fanfictionally assuming he did, Kisame has no reason to agree with him in regards to Jiraiya's strength. Your fanfic is an old mainstream thought made up by Itachi's fans, which was debunked long time ago. I can't believe it's still alive after the manga is finished.

Anything else?

 

[Ambivalence]

Itachi mid-diffs him, and that's being generous.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Look here, If it isn't

PJ
Kurama mode
7th gate+
Rinnegan/tenseigan
Space-time
Jinton
DSM
Konoha founders.
edo abilties.

related... then don't bother wasting Itachi's or any peaked Mangekyou lvl user's time because they will win more than would lose. Even if Kishi initially intended Jman to be superior to Itachi in pt1, it's obviously clear in pt2 Kishi pushed Itachi to be a step above Sannins and closer to Pain, Obito and Minato's tier from both a feat and portrayal standpoint which was shoved down our throats 2/3rds of shippuden wank. Let it go.

 

[Steinbiz]

-Jiraiya in Sage mode is EVERY bit as fast as Itachi.

-Sage mode gives you sensing. It doesn't have to be a requisite.

-Sage mode can sense chakra build up. Amaterasu isn't hitting Jiraiya. NORMAL Sasuke avoided it. You think SM Jiraiya can't?

-Swamp Susano. Lawl GG lololol111lol

-Taijutsu? Jiraiya......lol
-Ninjutsu? Jiraiya
-Genjutsu? Itachi. Although Jiraiya already has shown to be adept at dealing with genjutsu
-Strength and Speed? Jiraiya

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Think of it this way. If Itachi fought SM Kabuto alone. No Sasuke. And he was alive. Limited chakra. Itachi would've been roasted in the first minute of the fight. Kabuto laughed at Susano arrow and Susano.

 

[Oblivionx]

Look here, If it isn't

PJ
Kurama mode
7th gate+
Rinnegan/tenseigan
Space-time
Jinton
DSM
Konoha founders.
edo abilties.

related... then don't bother wasting Itachi's or any peaked Mangekyou lvl user's time because they will win more than would lose. Even if Kishi initially intended Jman to be superior to Itachi in pt1, it's obviously clear in pt2 Kishi pushed Itachi to be a step above Sannins and closer to Pain, Obito and Minato's tier from both a feat and portrayal standpoint which was shoved down our throats 2/3rds of shippuden wank. Let it go.

What's the difference between DSM and SM. Unless you meant kabuto with his additional abilities.

 

[Uverdore9]

-Jiraiya in Sage mode is EVERY bit as fast as Itachi.

-Sage mode gives you sensing. It doesn't have to be a requisite.

-Sage mode can sense chakra build up. Amaterasu isn't hitting Jiraiya. NORMAL Sasuke avoided it. You think SM Jiraiya can't?

-Swamp Susano. Lawl GG lololol111lol

-Taijutsu? Jiraiya......lol
-Ninjutsu? Jiraiya
-Genjutsu? Itachi. Although Jiraiya already has shown to be adept at dealing with genjutsu
-Strength and Speed? Jiraiya

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Think of it this way. If Itachi fought SM Kabuto alone. No Sasuke. And he was alive. Limited chakra. Itachi would've been roasted in the first minute of the fight. Kabuto laughed at Susano arrow and Susano.

You're using your headcanon to edge Jiraiya at Itachi. Even if he's better at Ninjutsu(assuming, latter is stated to be the Genius Of The Uchiha, mastered every Ninjutsu/Genjutsu/Taijutsu, known to Uchiha Clan), he isn't better at Taijutsu/Genjutsu, which you concede on.
- Itachi's Speed is way too high for Jiraiya to track. Look above, I posted Itachi's Speed>>>KCM Speed.
- Dont bring the excuse they were holding back, they werent, Itachi blitzed Bee, twice, yet didnt slit/chop off his throat. He wasnt controlled by ET, he lied. You can ask Proof for this.
- Note the Fact, Itachi's Character is based on lies, comparing what he said with other character statements, is how we know it's fact/not.
- Sensing isn't gonna do shit. Dont argue this part because Sensing doesnt give you better reflexes, just let you know where the Attack is coming from, knowing isnt shit, when you cant evade/reflex to said stimuli.
- Amaterasu, was compared to Speed Of Light, by Sasuke, comparing it to Kirin, which is a SOL Attack.
- Hardness Of Body, Itachi's Body is harder, and got better endurance, survived Chidori Sword/Spear Stabs in the Illusion, dont say its in the illusion, it isnt valid, since Kishimoto wouldnt draw that panel if it wasnt to show Itachi's Durability in Real-Life. He restrained Sasuke with a Clone to cast Tsukiyomi, which he couldnt break hold out of, noting Itachi's Physical Strength. Hebi Sasuke tanked C2 explosions facefirst by flying, from the best Explosion Kekkei Genkai User: Deidara.
- His handspeed is so great, Sasuke with TOP-2 Powerful Eyes among Uchiha, couldnt even track when he made a Shadow-Clone in the midst of throwing Kunais. Jiraiya's Speed/Reactions are near Human Path Level, who's one of the slowest Paths, Preta reacted to his Goemon, Animal Path reacted to his fastest attack while in Sage-Mode, TOP2 Slowest Paths Of Pain, it is.
- Jiraiya wont track his Punches/Bodily Movements, he made Front Lotus Mastered Sasuke think thier wasn't any change in his devolopment from last time he met Itachi, completely overpowering him in CQC, he even overpowered KCM/Bee, when they double teamed, dont say holding back, when no one holds back in battle.
- Same Killer Bee slaughtered FTG/Minato, reacting or killing him in the confrontation, leading him to compliment former for good moves/reaction.
- Jiraiya cannot beat Itachi, with his current Skillset. None of his attacks will hit. He cant track his Speed. He cant read his Unconventional Movements, Hebi Sasuke couldnt track/percieve, latter even being called having More Power(Better Speed/Reflexes, Physical Strength) than The Akatsuki. Dont argue Itachi was a Akatsuki Member, he wasnt, he merely a Double-Agent, who fooled Pain, to protect The Leaf.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

even if Jiraiya perfected the sage mode itachi still owns him

 

[Booker]

Jiraiyas arsenal depend on AOE and danger perception. Nothing else. No hax. Hax is exceptionally important against Itachi. You cant win without hax and by hax I mean Nagato like with his Gedo Mazo. Lets not argue Jiraiya with his AOE is gonna create some magic outta nowhere to somehow pinpoint and succeed in hitting someone like itachi with it. Lets just not.:lol. When jiraiya shows reactions and speed above kcm narutos reaction and speed we'll have a discussion. Until then this isnt debateable. Not even remotely.

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Until then this scan is enough to end this Matchup.

That scan is a Shunshin, which any high tier shinobi can do, including SM Jiraiya.

As for the battle, Amaterasu kills Jiraiya.

 

[Uverdore9]

That scan is a Shunshin, which any high tier shinobi can do, including SM Jiraiya.

As for the battle, Amaterasu kills Jiraiya.

So? How does that equate to every second tier shinobi performing it at that level? SM Jiraiya can't perform anything close to that level. Stop transfering feats to make him stand a chance. He gets blitzed straight.