Itachi vs Pain

[kadowade]

If anything I think seeing Itachi in action is overdue fan service, before Shippuden I think Itachi was the supreme character who everyone liked, although at the time, we didn't know about pains abilities, or even half of what other ppl can do, and now it's like ppl have fallen out of love with Itachi, because there are newer ppl as favorites. However all fan service and hoo hah aside, Nagato 6pop would kill Itachi, this is what I believe

If its Nagato + 6 paths then Itachi is Dead.

 

[arv993]

pain clearly taunted him(watch episode) and didnt even fight serious as he didnt even use deva path. Face it wat i said is wat it is. And jariya didnt kno his powers so pain wasnt worried.

he didn't he went for the kill and no ur just making a speculation he was taunting him, he actually acknowledged jiraya after seeing how good of a fight he put even with the lck of info. he praised him, and pain does not usually like to just joke about things like that

 

[arv993]

If its Nagato + 6 paths then Itachi is Dead.

its not nagato plus his paths that is not shown anywhere in the manga and he needs those rods from what we have seen. and nagato has to spend double the cahkra since he has to control them and use his own powers at the same time it has not been shown and that is just made by the thread maker. But "if" he can do that itachi does not stand a chance unless he is allowed KA.

 

[kadowade]

Correct me if im wrong sasuke was 16 when fighting itachi i thought sasuke was a lot younger when he saw itachi in konoha he had just mastered the chidori right?

yea he was either 13 or 14.

 

[kadowade]

its not nagato plus his paths that is not shown anywhere in the manga and he needs those rods from what we have seen. and nagato has to spend double the cahkra since he has to control them and use his own powers at the same time it has not been shown and that is just made by the thread maker. But "if" he can do that itachi does not stand a chance unless he is allowed KA.

Oh cuz some ppl said he can use Both (Nagato + paths) lol.
Then Itachi would HAVE to have KA otherwise he Dead.
(BEAST Sig)

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

Scense ppl are still saying things that is irrelevent about Itachi beating
Nagato, Im going to post all arguments that had 0and I mean 0 counter arguments. Most of the itachi fanboys just beated around accorate points

and dont worry, more will come

he is cuz all his plans fail lol

and he isnt dbz strong if you would have read my post you woukd have realized that

i am just responding like you your not worth my time to explain in detail why itachi loses and every time i post my statements you wont go down the list and argue my points cuz im rite and not only me many ppl have been sitting here proving you and the other fan boys wrong

ill say this again

itachi has all these cool techs that cost him chakra in this battle it will be of endurance obivously cuz itachi is trying to dwindel down his paths or dwindel down his summons(both battles six paths pain and complete pain)
and in the end complete pain can summon gedo he didnt when he was a kid vs danzo and hanzo and he can use planet dev.

and six paths can use planet dev either or its over cuz susono isnt as strong or fast as the nine tails and not even stronger or faster then six tails there for susono cant escape it!
neither can reg itachi


so shut your mouth im not a fan girl i just no my stuff also some other girl on here with teh konan avatar was giving good points to

+rep to her who ever she is

how would he attack if hes a 100 feet in the air? All i would see is a healthy nagato v itachi is him summoning creatures distarcting itachi then him doing celestial tera sphere and it would be all over.

Great point Ame No Kage
Nagato has a stagegy formation for every opponent.He base a stategy just for jiraiya's uncertinty of the rinnagan and It ocular powers.That was no dought A pefect stategy played to percise fluency. The six pains see's all and they will see all of itachi's atacks.Itachi will know this so Nagato will prepare. He knows when Itachi will use amaterasu and put Peta path there to absorb it.It is ninjutsu. Arv999 said that Itachi will go after Deva path but he is absoluty wong, he will go after Naraka path cus It can revive anything. Thats His Best Chance of defeating Nagato.His pain formation is designed for its protection. Nagato would Know that Itachi will try to seal Naraka path so nagato would make Animal path summon more Eyes on the battle field. He then would use Asura path to protect the eyes of any path and to counter Itachi's long rang jutsu. Nagato will get Human path behind Susanoo cus thats were it weakness is EVERY THING HAS A WEAKNESS and Human path is the fastest of the paths and specialives in taijutsu. It couldnt even be detected by the sensors in Pain Arc. He will make Deva path use Chibaku tensei and have Giant panda as a sacafice to the sealsword while he sends Giant Ox and Giant Rihno at susanoo
from each side to keep It occupide even though Susanoo cant destroy chibaku on his own. Nagato will test Its Yeta Mirror and close range combat hopefuly making an opening for Human path to get in close with Itachi. You cant deny the combos of the paths and its tech. No even counting the other 5 animal summoning and the way to use them.Nagato and Itachi Battle may have the most devestation off attacks clashing, but A HEALTHY NAGATO with pretty much unlimited chakra based on the 'Pain Arc' aginst A HEATHY ITACHI with a Stamina sucking MS cant beat Nagato.heaty Nagato can use deva strongest attacks More with little strain on his body.Deva path is best when fighting large objects like the 9 tails. Just like Susuno'o. AND THESE WAS JUST ONE WAY HE COULD DEFEAT ITACHI.

Im lazy when It comes to makin an case like this but it had to be done.

yeah ppl on nb are and its like that in every thread its always turns in to a popularity contest no matter what.even though the character pain nagato or who ever it is the obvious winner and the popular one wins no matter what. pains eyes are the ultimate dojutsu i doubt itachis tsukuyomi would effect him cuz if snake sasuke broke free of it and he had three moe sharingan then a beast a$$ nagato rinnegan can break it note these are the eyes of the sage and i think nagato is older then itachi since he was j-mans apprentice and i dont think itachi was even in the anbu yet (if im wrong doesnt matter they have to be in the same age group or nagato is older and has more exp. so in comparing smarts and overall battle smarts there isn't a vast difference) but besides that it took three of the toughest ninja up to date at present time to beat complete nagato
1 rasenshrukrn
(is one of the best jutsus in naruto)
1 tailed beast bomb
(is what the fourth tried to replicate but only grasp somewhat of what the jutsu really was and made rassengan)
and 1 projectile from susono
(susono is just a beast and is a end all or be all for some characters just cuz the sealing jutsu part)

so knowing this

that it took all three and in that three there all around the same level

killer bee is tough
(imo naruto cant beat be right now)
naruto is tough

(naruto is fast enough to beat itachi right off the bat and genjutsu can be broke when a teammate wakes you up or releases it hopefully the nine tails can do that to tsukuyomi but we will never know unless sasuke uses tskuyomi on naruto and naruto and the fox break it but till this day we know in naruto that a sharingan and a ninja who uses sharingan can break out of tskuyomi and snake sasuke broke it when he was a snake and had no teamate to break it and the only person we seen get caught and itachi raping them inside it was kakshi and that was when they were kids so imo a tailed beast can help break it)



and itachi will get beat by both lol but it doesn't matter there all beast


and you already know what my point is if your not dbz strong rite now where the anime is at rite now your nothing this is where naruto is being compared to his dad who was mad fast so bull ish jutsu like susono are not gonna work if someone has mad chakra then they can run away jump doge way faster and do super human feats and when your doing things like this



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taking all chakra based attacks!

in one body

just one!

and he is fast


nagato was not in control of his own paths, now if you face itachi against the 6 paths of pain, you will get a more organized 6 paths, for example there formation when vs naruto. sharingan eye sight it far greater then any ones eyes i will admit, but vs 6 pair of eyes watching every move you do, and im sure they can close ther eyes to combat itachi's genjutsu while the others see for them, for example, animal path whith its eyes disabled was still able to fight. remember they can revive each other, summon each other.

and its the same at this point if nagato was controlling the summons and all that it would be a diff story
and he can suck out your soul like tsaang sung off mortal combat


also he is holding naruto rite there and naruto has some what controlled the nine tails fox's chakra so naruto is mad strong and naruto is getting man handled by nagato

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and also this
nagato

stops killer bee's attack with this mecha arm thing
wow!

killer bee who is probably kinda close to A the raikage's speed

if not faster imo
since his lariat beat A's

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then he pulls out a mecha cannon that does a blast similar to jugos beam



attack

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jugos beam attack

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also note what naruto says his

speed and strength are on a way higher level and this is naruto chakra mode when he is the orange flash!


and also i agree with itachi rite here

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every jutsu has a flaw its true


BUT


when your alone going against this jutsu


and if your not as strong as the nine tails or half of the nine tails chakra
(naruto six tails vs pain six paths!)

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and look at this??

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there is no way in hell itachi is gonna run away with susono and get out of this no way in hell.....

and not even itachi just running without susono can doge this cuz he isnt stronger then gravity
or faster
he cant beat the gravitational lift and pull

so he cant out run it lol

cuz the six tails couldn't...and itachi isn't stronger or nearly as fast as the six tails

but look at nagato he has a bloody nose and i think coughs up some blood most ppl would think after you created a moon you would be tired and done

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and

naruto wasn't done obviously

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but neither was nagato

he spares naruto!
and says this


note:nagato never intended to kill naruto only to capture and
and take the fox out

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and had enough chakra to pull this off

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to bring back to life all the ppl in the leaf village


and lets not get technical cuz if he can bring back souls what makes you think he cant bring them back and use them like edo tensei but better but we will never know that...

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back to the main point!!!!


itachis susono will get merked!


this one move

(itachis projectile with susuono)

the yasakas
magatama

cant destroy planetary devastation by itself!!

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it cant it took three of the strongest techs to destroy it

well at least 2 of them were but if you want to get technical sasuke susono arrow is on the same level as yasakas magatama or if not weaker either or it does work

and that alone is not strong enough to break the black ball of planetary devastation

and genjutsu doesnt work i think the only way j-man had a chance was sage mode and the ear genjutsu with the frog song i think dojutsu dont work on rinnegan cuz why would it it belong to the sage of the fin six paths so tsukuyoni which was broke by snake sasuke does not have a chance against rinnigan eyes and thats just the eyes nagato was a uzamaki two so he most likely had mad chakra and we can verify it cuz of all the feats he pulled off all that takes made chakra and you know it dont lie and say all that took lil to no chakra he was probably on tailed beast levels if not more since he battle the fox so knowing this that nagato has mad chakra and beast a$$ eyes

itachi f#$##$#

loses
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i made a valid argument i stated all the facts straight out of the manga

had some good ideas none that which even no one with biased opinion who is on itachi side could even argue no one its all facts so if the fan boys come running back to attack this post i hope you know what your in for cuz if you read the whole thing it will blow your mind i have been wanting to do this for a while but i never knew how to put links on here that go straight to the manga but now i do


no sane man would not argue these statements there not bs i not making anything up as i go along all this is straight out of the manga


so please some one prove me wrong sorry to be an

A$$
but i hate itachi fan boys..

and minato fan boys


cuz imo if you aint dbz strong or fast you get raped

simple as that...

and about the sword of totsuka it cant seal multiple things.
1) It only can seal one person at a time

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1) It can ether cut or seal, it has to do one or another.It cant do both

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2) those who say that totsuka sword stricks fast, let me remind you that Orochimaru couldnt have possbly dodge it cus he was in a big ass serpent
that was on Sasuke. Also you can tell from Orochimaru's confidence that he wasnt even thinkin about dadging it.He new that anything that that struck him wasnt going to kill him, but he didnt know that it was the sword of Totsuka

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3)to add, Orochimaru had no control of Sasuke in that situation. No Way No How could Orochimaru have dodged it. He Was Unable to move.

Isnt It obvious, Rinnagan+Sharigan is better Rinnagan or Sharigan alone.
U should of thought about that before U post.U_U

Rinnagan isnt better than shariganU_U but yet the Sharigan and Byakugan are decendents of Rinnagan. Nagato my not be the Original but he posseses all the skills of past Sot6p.



Itachi doesnt have Infinte Tsukyomi. and edo tensei Itachi didnt have it ether cus he didnt have it to begin with. Madara said that Infinit Tsukyomi is only achivable if one become one with jyuubi tails.Thats the only way to unlock highest ocular power of Rinnagan+Sharigan_ Infinite Tsukyomi




Its called Ysaka's Magatama and its power do to susonno'os states is irrelevent cuz it is not known.What is known is that it needed the help of tail beast bomb an rasen-shuriken .

U are using false statments Jack

Did you read what I post.How can you quote my post then post the argument
That my post already pointed out

and Itachi new about Nagato eyes power so in the begining of the fight he blinded all rinnagans on the battlefield Nagato didnt see it.plus he broke edo tensei

oro had no knowledge of itachi having that sword, had he knew i would say the outcome would of been different.

your argument is starting to sound biased, dont divert from the path please, you debate better then some.

itachi's tecs are not fast, unless your talking about his genjutsu which is useless in this fight, nagato who is controlling the pains would no doubt sense the build up of chakra when itachi uses amaterasu, susanoo would fall to chibaku tensei, theres no countering it for him unless he has help. and besides, he cant spam them altogether or as much as you are suggesting, remember his stamina sucks.

You are not gettin the point. Orochimaru was stationary, he was confident in his imortal jutsu, and he had no idea and I mean no idea that Itachi was able to find the sword of tostokomi.His defence was down period.
and only one pain was caught in rasen-suriken.It was the human path and the only reason he got caught in it was cuz he had to save the aminal path, who was obviously the slowest of the path.

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the human path is the fastest of the path but was use simply as a sacrifice for the bigger goal of the capture of Naruto.Thats all.The animal path was most beneficial thats all. Human path is always in the front of the formation cus of his speed an taijutsu just like in the Jiraiya fight.

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the deva path can also push an pull his own body to dadge the sword
he did it when the 9 tails broke threw almighty push

i disagree, i stopped replying to your answers because your answers are based on biased ideas or over exaggeration, you answer to only parts of our arguments avoiding the obvious.

i know he was hiding, but he is still controlling them so you cant deny he is not in the battle. and you contradicted your self again by posting that page, even so in that page nagato is crippled, the only reason why itachi got multiple hits on nagato's summoning was because of the distractions in that fight, for example

1) itachi dispelling edo tensai and activating shisui's eye

2) nagato not knowing itachi was dispelled from edo thinking they were both on the same team.
3)itachi using the confusion to attack nagato's summoning and pretended it was a miss fire.

now if all those distractions was gone and they were facing each other itachi vs 6 paths of pain, you cant say it happen the same way.

Great metaphor. ++rep

it doesnt matter with or without he still has eyes
(he can summon more monsters)
and its rape in close combat

omg im gonna post this post i posted earlier one more time just for you and i hope you read it!



read all has all the facts on way pain wins with or without six paths!








also this guy named yiin was in a thread on the riningan isnt so great

this right here adds more proof




Ok, trying to come from an unbiased point of view; In the manga did it not say that Tsukuyomi could only be broken from someone of 'Flesh and Blood'? Flesh and Blood wouldn't be limited to siblings as you've stated previously. If the manga meant that literally then we can safely assume that Tsukuyomi could be broken by anyone who was Uchiha and also of sufficient skill. Fortunately this doesn't change your initial argument about how Sasuke was able to break free from Itachi's Tsukuyomi. Also, nowhere in the manga or anime does it state that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi on Killer Bee. We know it was a genjutsu but it could have been any Genjutsu since we know from Sasuke's fight with Deidara that he was at least very skilled in genjutsu. Currently; all of my data correlates to your theory but did the manga not say that The Sage of the Six Path's (Who also possessed the Rinnegan) sons eventually became the Senju and Uchiha clans? And are the Uzumaki not at very least descended from the Senju? If all of my points are true, which currently the manga states; then in theory any Senju, Uchiha or via extension, Uzumaki (In which Nagato is) should be able if sufficently skilled; able to break out of Tsukuyomi? Another point I have is during the fight between Madara and Hashirama, the former (as in Madara) would have used his Mangekyo Sharingan against Hashirama but logically he would use the full might of it since these two have fought time and time again? I believe we can safely assume that Madara would have used Tsukuyomi against Hashirama and if Hashirama couldn't escape it as he wasn't an Uchiha, then how did Hashirama 'defeat' Madara? Did Madara let him go? I Doubt it as Madara could have used his body for experimentation similarly to how Orochimaru spliced his DNA into Tenzo (Yamato) This, In my honest opinion shows that Senju (And via extension the Uzumaki) would have the capability to break out of Tsukuyomi. Also, Tsukuyomi would be ineffective against any of Pain's paths as they're not even alive. They have a constant flow of chakra flowing through their bodies which allows Nagato to move them but to suspect and assume that Nagato's paths of pain are an extension of his body are almost impossible taking into consideration the way we know of how chakra works. Tsukuyomi or not, it is still a genjutsu and thus must follow the rules set out by the manga. A jutsu is a materialization of chakra, which would be able to interact with it's surroundings. We can assume that scientifically, a genjutsu is a materialization of chakra which disturbs the neurons in your brain which proves it would be ineffective against any of Pain's paths.

In conclusion, with all of the given points; it shows the Nagato whilst not immune to genjutsu per say, is at least fortified and defended against Genjutsu in general. We can safely now assume that Itachi's Tsukuyomi or even the unknown 'Tsukuyomi' of Sasuke wouldn't work (easily) on Nagato nor his Paths of Pain.

Also, I don't actually know why your theory (which I have hopefully dis-proven) has anything to do with why the rinnegan isn't as great as portrayed. The rinnegan has been stated several times to be almost godly when compared to the powers which other Dojutsu grant and its effects of speeding up learning and granting someone the ability to use all 5 chakra natures is overpowered in its own right. the mangekyo sharingan however is also very, very useful in a battle granting the use of several high leveled techniques such as Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susanoo and most probably Kamui (Since Madara instantly recognised Kakashi's Kamui before he had even used it.) But by extension, these feats are out shadowed by the Rinnegan's many uses.

I'd gladly argue further with you as you attempt to disprove my very own points but before you do so, learn some grammar and also its 'The' not 'D'

Yiin

+rep again to this guy above who wrote this



and this is what i have to say:


pains eyes are the ultimate dojutsu i doubt itachis tsukuyomi would effect him cuz if snake sasuke

beat it anyone can
too


this is not me talking this is some itachi fanboy

(this guy named Shamami posted this:




Just to make things clear:

1- The rinnengan is said to be the most powerful occular power more than a sharingan in terms of having a better insight and the user is gifted with learning all kinds of ninjutsu that was stated, however its not better than a MS or ofcourse EMS cuz that wasnt stated. otherwise why would madara hv switched one eye with a rinnengan and not both.

what i have to say about this:this makes no sense if it be longed to the so6p then its beast if ems or ms was stronger then the so6p would have ems or ms

so thats just dumb and he even said rinningan can learn all kinds of crazy jutsu he says this above and this is a guy going for itachi

2- Pain is definetly not immune to genjutsu since fukasaku(the frog) was able to get him into his sound genjutsu. Sound or not a genjutsu is a genjutsu. So definately a genjutsu like tsukyomi which is third strongest genjutsu after infinite tsukyomi and shisuis eye( forgot the name) can defintely can more than easily get either nagato or the six paths of pain. Even fukasaku said that pains weakness is genjutsu

what i have to say about this:i dont remeber him saying that at all i think he meant genjutsu's by ear other than that if you think pain can be caught in a tskuyomi which snake sasuke broke then your saying the so6p can get caught as well

and saying tskuyomi is the third strongest genjutsu is dumb since snake sasuke broke it

3- Susanoo cant be crushed by chibaku tensei as itachi was only in susanoo second state when he threw the tomoe thing (forgot the name) so his susanoo third state can easily hit the core( as the tomoe would be more powerful+ totsuka blade) of chibaku and end the technique, but then again no one knws what cud hv happened.

what i have to say about thiseah you dont know and whats this about susono states whatever state its in complete or not its not as strong or stronger then the nine tails which was caught in the planetary devastation)

but back to the point


this is snake sasuke fighting itachi and itachi is about to use or i think is already is using tsukuyomi

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and snake sasuke breaking tsukuyomi

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most idiots like fan boy itachi fans and zetsu well i think the white one

thinks if itachi uses tsukuyomi and your done

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i repeat this is snake sasuke


not even ms just has a regular 3 moe shariggan

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and a quote from zetsu that i love

that proves itachis genjutsu isn't really that tough

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so knowing that snake sasuske broke free of it and he had three moe sharingan then a beast a$$ nagato rinnegan can break it note these are the eyes of the sage and i think nagato is older then itachi since he was j-mans apprentice and i dont think itachi was even in the anbu yet (if im wrong doesnt matter they have to be in the same age group or nagato is older and has more exp. so in comparing smarts and overall battle smarts there isn't a vast difference) but besides that it took three of the toughest ninja up to date at present time to beat complete nagato
1 rasenshrukrn
(is one of the best jutsus in naruto)
1 tailed beast bomb
(is what the fourth tried to replicate but only grasp somewhat of what the jutsu really was and made rassengan)
and 1 projectile from susono
(susono is just a beast and is a end all or be all for some characters just cuz the sealing jutsu part)

so knowing this

that it took all three and in that three there all around the same level

killer bee is tough
(imo naruto cant beat be right now)
naruto is tough

(naruto is fast enough to beat itachi right off the bat and genjutsu can be broke when a teammate wakes you up or releases it hopefully the nine tails can do that to tsukuyomi but we will never know unless sasuke uses tskuyomi on naruto and naruto and the fox break it but till this day we know in naruto that a sharingan and a ninja who uses sharingan can break out of tskuyomi and snake sasuke broke it when he was a snake and had no teamate to break it and the only person we seen get caught and itachi raping them inside it was kakshi and that was when they were kids so imo a tailed beast can help break it)



and itachi will get beat by both lol but it doesn't matter there all beast


and you already know what my point is if your not dbz strong rite now where the anime is at rite now your nothing this is where naruto is being compared to his dad who was mad fast so bull ish jutsu like susono are not gonna work if someone has mad chakra then they can run away jump doge way faster and do super human feats and when your doing things like this



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taking all chakra based attacks!

in one body

just one!

and he is fast


nagato was not in control of his own paths, now if you face itachi against the 6 paths of pain, you will get a more organized 6 paths, for example there formation when vs naruto. sharingan eye sight it far greater then any ones eyes i will admit, but vs 6 pair of eyes watching every move you do, and im sure they can close ther eyes to combat itachi's genjutsu while the others see for them, for example, animal path whith its eyes disabled was still able to fight. remember they can revive each other, summon each other.

and its the same at this point if nagato was controlling the summons and all that it would be a diff story
and he can suck out your soul like tsaang sung off mortal combat


also he is holding naruto rite there and naruto has some what controlled the nine tails fox's chakra so naruto is mad strong and naruto is getting man handled by nagato

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and also this
nagato

stops killer bee's attack with this mecha arm thing
wow!

killer bee who is probably kinda close to A the raikage's speed

if not faster imo
since his lariat beat A's

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then he pulls out a mecha cannon that does a blast similar to jugos beam



attack

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jugos beam attack

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also note what naruto says his

speed and strength are on a way higher level and this is naruto chakra mode when he is the orange flash!


and also i agree with itachi rite here

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every jutsu has a flaw its true


BUT


when your alone going against this jutsu


and if your not as strong as the nine tails or half of the nine tails chakra
(naruto six tails vs pain six paths!)

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and look at this??

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there is no way in hell itachi is gonna run away with susono and get out of this no way in hell.....

and not even itachi just running without susono can doge this cuz he isnt stronger then gravity
or faster
he cant beat the gravitational lift and pull

so he cant out run it lol

cuz the six tails couldn't...and itachi isn't stronger or nearly as fast as the six tails

but look at nagato he has a bloody nose and i think coughs up some blood most ppl would think after you created a moon you would be tired and done

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and

naruto wasn't done obviously

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but neither was nagato

he spares naruto!
and says this


note:nagato never intended to kill naruto only to capture and
and take the fox out

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and had enough chakra to pull this off

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to bring back to life all the ppl in the leaf village


and lets not get technical cuz if he can bring back souls what makes you think he cant bring them back and use them like edo tensei but better but we will never know that...

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back to the main point!!!!


itachis susono will get merked!


this one move

(itachis projectile with susuono)

the yasakas
magatama

cant destroy planetary devastation by itself!!

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it cant it took three of the strongest techs to destroy it

well at least 2 of them were but if you want to get technical sasuke susono arrow is on the same level as yasakas magatama or if not weaker either or it does work

and that alone is not strong enough to break the black ball of planetary devastation

and genjutsu doesnt work i think the only way j-man had a chance was sage mode and the ear genjutsu with the frog song i think dojutsu dont work on rinnegan cuz why would it it belong to the sage of the fin six paths so tsukuyoni which was broke by snake sasuke does not have a chance against rinnigan eyes and thats just the eyes nagato was a uzamaki two so he most likely had mad chakra and we can verify it cuz of all the feats he pulled off all that takes made chakra and you know it dont lie and say all that took lil to no chakra he was probably on tailed beast levels if not more since he battle the fox so knowing this that nagato has mad chakra and beast a$$ eyes

itachi f#$##$#

loses
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i made a valid argument i stated all the facts straight out of the manga

had some good ideas none that which even no one with biased opinion who is on itachi side could even argue no one its all facts so if the fan boys come running back to attack this post i hope you know what your in for cuz if you read the whole thing it will blow your mind i have been wanting to do this for a while but i never knew how to put links on here that go straight to the manga but now i do


no sane man would not argue these statements there not bs i not making anything up as i go along all this is straight out of the manga


so please some one prove me wrong sorry to be an

A$$
but i hate itachi fan boys..

and minato fan boys


cuz imo if you aint dbz strong or fast you get raped

simple as that...

the paths can not dodge the attack? let me tell you why i think they can. nagato as the controller of the paths can sense amaterasu which will force him to act accordingly to itachi's abilities. all the paths complement each other, shinra tensai's 5 second recovery is debatable as it varies depending on the amount of power put into the attack, i doubt it needs much for dispelling amaterasu. but anyways...i would assume nagato would base his formation for his paths on itachi's jutsu's, somwhat like this... Asura Path, Human Path & Preta Path in the front line for defense, asura & human path as human shields blocking site from the back and preta path acting as a counter for amaterasu and any other type of ninjutsu, deva path in the middle, using bansho ten'in and shinra tensai if need be, then you have animal path at the back delivering long range attacks with its summoning's, then finally naraka path at the back of animal path ready to regenerate any fallen paths.

now, you avoided answering the question, how can itachi escape Chibaku Tensei?

ummm the rinnegan gives him his sensing abilities, what does the paths have...the rinnegan, so i would say he can sense them from that distance, to be honest susanoo is useless against Preta Path, susanoo is strong no doubt and its armour is impenetrable, but its still made of chakra from the user which falls under the ninjutsu also which preta path absorbs. susanoo dead. i dont know how itachi would manage with all summoning's attacking him with animal path and close range combat with asura path, and also gives deva path to use chibaku Tensei, and i doubt it would hurt him, he was already weak from taking the village in the naruto fight dont forget that.

like i said before, nagato will know uchiha's abilities, and he didn't dodge naruto when he vs'd him cz he had no clue of his tecs and other things...and let me school you on the naruto fight.

1) naruto had info on pain thanks to tsunade

2) nagato was already weak when facing off with him due to destroying the village prior to the fight.
3) nagato was thinking for himself, who did naruto have there, ma and pa, Katsuyu.
4) nagato was not at his best.

now you know if it was a 1v1 he would of died no doubt. cz if he is using his real body, the strength and speed of his techniques are on a much higher level.

you act like the paths are going to be standing there, and that itachi's chakra lvl is limitless and his body does not strain when using susanoo and amaterasu, and that he can spam his MS multiple times. be realistic your losing this debate.

These girls are owning you with no help from me



+10reps to u both

Dude he had a perfect strategy he for jiraiya. He has many ways to use the pains aginst Itachi, I was the one who just post one way and a dam good one.


It was just to show how each path works and how they counter Itachi's attacts.your not making any points that can argue it.

U keep sayin that Itachi's Sasuno'o can do this and amatsaru can do that, and tokyomi sword can do this but u fail to realive that what your sayin only drains Itachi.


U are actualy boosting my argument.Thats how I know U have no more arguments left so The Great One will say this-.......

dude unlike u i am not only one sided go back and read my old posts i always said that pain has a chance to win but itachi's chances are better IMo. itachi can get any paths with amaterasu but u just don't listen. I said many times that if itachi wins he would have strained himself pretty bad but he can still win i never said its an easy fight like u nagato fanboys who just thinks that pain can just to everything dodge all attack, use shinra tensei and bansho tenin without restraint. u try to make it sound he is invincible but he is not and "can" beaten by other top tier shinobi like itachi in a fight.

Dude he had a perfect strategy he for jiraiya. He has many ways to use the pains aginst Itachi, I was the one who just post one way and a dam good one.

U keep tryin to quote tiny sentences and not the whole argument


It was just to show how each path works and how they counter Itachi's attacts.your not making any points that can argue it.

U keep sayin that Itachi's Sasuno'o can do this and amatsaru can do that, and tokyomi sword can do this but u fail to realise that what your sayin only drains Itachi.


U are actualy boosting my argument.Thats how I know U have no more arguments left so The Great One will say this-.......

Know your roll and stfu​

 

[Izanami]

you can still immobilize them and screw with their chakra flow, jiraya did it so itachi can definitely do it. he knos not to spam tsukiyomi he would use to immobilize ppl like tendo pain who is pretty much the powerhouse of the group. Itachi can also use multiple flames from one amaterasu and get other paths like asura, animal, human and nakara paths they are vulnerable and not really fast itachi can do that really fast too like he did in ch 551. And preta can be sealed, used taijutsu on him. I am not saying pain can never win but can depending on the situation he can too we are not kishi IMO i see itachi winning more than losing. I can see if ppl see it the other way around, but some ppl on this thread say itachi has no chance and this match up is a rape butt that is simply not true. Both are top lvl shinobi its not an easy fight which side u look from.

he runs out of chakra tsyukami,amateseru and susanoo fighting v multiple paths he would have to try get to the back to get the revival path or its all for nothing but running with susanno towards a good way you get absorbed his amateseru realistically hasnt got a good chance taking multiple paths out look at there fromation the preta is in front i believe we would see a last stand from itachi with his susanno and totsuka providing he could get tendo in genjustu which is unlikely becasue you cant toture a dead body and it lasts for second but he would ultimatley lose because his chakra is not vast.

 

[Jokule67]

he didn't he went for the kill and no ur just making a speculation he was taunting him, he actually acknowledged jiraya after seeing how good of a fight he put even with the lck of info. He praised him, and pain does not usually like to just joke about things like that

he knew jariya wud drop his gaurd so he didnt interupt the genjutsu with the other bodies. He just let jariya finish the 3 and taunted him" i thought u taught me never 2 drop my gaurd" i said it a million tyms.

 

[blackbird31468]

pain clearly taunted him(watch episode) and didnt even fight serious as he didnt even use deva path. Face it wat i said is wat it is. And jariya didnt kno his powers so pain wasnt worried.

It was probably better that he didn't send them all out at once, because then jraiya would have figured out all of their techs and the whole reason pein said that he won, was because jiraiya didn't know his secret.

 

[Izanami]

its not nagato plus his paths that is not shown anywhere in the manga and he needs those rods from what we have seen. and nagato has to spend double the cahkra since he has to control them and use his own powers at the same time it has not been shown and that is just made by the thread maker. But "if" he can do that itachi does not stand a chance unless he is allowed KA.

KA is not an instant win seeing as it works on 1 body and dont forget its got the command protect konoha.

 

[Hanzo Uchiha]

Pain!!!!!!

 

[arv993]

he knew jariya wud drop his gaurd so he didnt interupt the genjutsu with the other bodies. He just let jariya finish the 3 and taunted him" i thought u taught me never 2 drop my gaurd" i said it a million tyms.

that is speculation he said clearly you got me and jiraya underestimated him but even pain admitted that and praised him and even said he would have won if he had info. why do u keep believing that it is impossible to get the paths in genjutsu when it did and he even accpeted it

 

[arv993]

KA is not an instant win seeing as it works on 1 body and dont forget its got the command protect konoha.

dude this is a hypothetical fight he had the crow with him remember he can do whatever he wants with it, dude it is just a haxed jutsu it is just unfair to have it becus u can command anything u want. there is a reason why kishi made it once in 10 years.

 

[Izanami]

that is speculation he said clearly you got me and jiraya underestimated him but even pain admitted that and praised him and even said he would have won if he had info. why do u keep believing that it is impossible to get the paths in genjutsu when it did and he even accpeted it

im probably going to upset a lot of jiraya fans but i think kishi made pain say that too make his fans feel better although unlimited sage mode would be tricky dont forget pain captured sage naruto twice and the 9 tails once before naruto destroyed tendo he had a lot of help too (hinato,toads,his dad) and he still didnt kill Nagato

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

Let me make clear No one ever could hope of discounting These arguments
cus most was examples of the Many ways That Nagato could counter all of Itachi's attacts.
Simply put, Itachi would have hold his own but Do to MS greatest weakness,Maga chakra drain and MS loseing its light.

 

[kadowade]

KA is not an instant win seeing as it works on 1 body and dont forget its got the command protect konoha.

We're not tallking about a plot related battle. It has nothing to do with the story. This is a made up battle.
Itachi has his own command which he can use on the strongest path, to make it attack the Other paths. Or he can just use it on the Real Nagato making him kill his self. KA is a very dangerous jutsu.

 

[Jokule67]

it was probably better that he didn't send them all out at once, because then jraiya would have figured out all of their techs and the whole reason pein said that he won, was because jiraiya didn't know his secret.

thts why. It is dangerous 2 let him kno early while he is in genjutsu cuz jiriya can still see the real world so he wud see them coming. He wanted jariya 2 drop his gaurd.

 

[Jokule67]

We're not tallking about a plot related battle. It has nothing to do with the story. This is a made up battle.
Itachi has his own command which he can use on the strongest path, to make it attack the Other paths. Or he can just use it on the Real Nagato making him kill his self. KA is a very dangerous jutsu.

resorting 2 KA is basically giving up. especially when he never used it.

 

[Izanami]

dude this is a hypothetical fight he had the crow with him remember he can do whatever he wants with it, dude it is just a haxed jutsu it is just unfair to have it becus u can command anything u want. there is a reason why kishi made it once in 10 years.

well vs the paths if he could use it to whatever purpose he wanted it can affect 1 path and lets be hypothetical like you said and he gets one path in genjutsu would that really make a difference ? he has a couple of moves before his chakra runs out if he just went susanoo and did KA on tendo it would be a longer fight but how can he mantain a susanoo longer enough to fight animal summons,missles not to mention revival path would revive any paths and the totsuka would not be an instant 1 hit kill because the paths dont have souls so even with the use of susanoo his stamania is not good enough

 

[deidara senpai]

im 1000!!!!!!!!! lol sorry i had to xd