Itachi vs Pain

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

you show me where it says it can also tell me why itachi didnt use at the start vs Nagato when genjustu works your only defence is genjutsu agsainst 6 boies that wouldnt be standing still 3 tsyukamis and he runs out of chakra and yje deva path is in the sky charging his shinra tensei itachis dead next please?

I am showing u d logic that shows he can. You think Kishi wud bjust come and say ITACHI IS BETTER THAN NAGATO or GENJUTSU CAN WORK ON D RINNEGAN!!
He didn't bcos Nagato was an Edo Tensei.U_U

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Itachi fans overpower The Nagato fans theirs no point in arguing

 

[Izanami]

NAgato bodies are controlled and is intwined with his Bodies Right.....So if that body is apart of Nagato's mind, then Nagato would be affected by Anything affecting his mind (Body) The bodies are basically Nagato's Minds.

Why didnt nagato use his bodies to get him out of jiraiyas GEnjutsu.........cuz he couldnt, otherwise he would've revived the other bodies to help him escape, But instead he waited until Jiraiya Ended the Genjutsu, So he'll have his mind back to revive his other bodies and attack Jiraiya.

Although i may be wrong, and you may be wrong, But he did wait until jiraiya ended it, so he can move them.

this isnt worth responding to

 

[Jokule67]

nagato bodies are controlled and is intwined with his bodies right.....so if that body is apart of nagato's mind, then nagato would be affected by anything affecting his mind (body) the bodies are basically nagato's minds.

Why didnt nagato use his bodies to get him out of jiraiyas genjutsu.........cuz he couldnt, otherwise he would've revived the other bodies to help him escape, but instead he waited until jiraiya ended the genjutsu, so he'll have his mind back to revive his other bodies and attack jiraiya.

Although i may be wrong, and you may be wrong, but he did wait until jiraiya ended it, so he can move them.

he just wanted 2 sneak attack on jiriaya and surprise him. Dude pain wasnt even fighting seriously from the start, he was toying and taunting jariya. he used that 2 force truth 2 jiraiya tht there are really six of him. he taunted than struck a fatal blow.

 

[deidara senpai]

the bolded statements are my answer

hello, hello deidara senpai

Why hello captainEO

Well Itachi too knows water style jutsu and is a master in it you could imagine since he spent years with Kisame.

true itachi does have water but remember preta and the sheild are still their

You also forget Itachi has yata mirror which can block ANY attack

itachi wont be able to use it that long if hes resorting to susano because his body will be exhausted it could but for a limited time really and it would most likely be around the end of the fight and he would be exhausted enough aready

People seem to think that tsukuyomi has to last for 72 hours it doesn't. He can halve it or split it into three so instead of one 72 hour it could be three 24 hour ones or four 18 hour ones. so that's 4 tsukuyomi for the cost of one.

i really dont understand this post

Animal paths are useless because of Amaterasu and totsuka. tskuyomi lasts a second and no one can break you out of it

not at all useless pain/nagato has a lot of summons itachi cant spam that much if itachi tried that he will die


Solution to deva is genjutsu. Deva is the first Itachi should attack. Also chibaku tensei is almost self-sacrifice seeing as though all the other paths might die as a result. And if it comes to it I'm pretty sure Itachi can just use 3 yasaka magatamas to destroy chibaku tensei

how would the paths die? they wouldnt at all if that was true itachi would have just used genjutsu on nagato which he didnt

plus like i said the paths could break him out and i doubt itachi can spam that much yata magatamas at the ball i mean chibaku tensei and susano are usually last resort jutsus usually used around the end of the fight which in this case that would result itachi maybe breaking out but cant even move after it or just plain dying of exhaustion or itachi would fail at breaking it and will crush him to oblivion

idk how it broke out of the signature

 

[Retsu]

NAgato bodies are controlled and is intwined with his Bodies Right.....So if that body is apart of Nagato's mind, then Nagato would be affected by Anything affecting his mind (Body) The bodies are basically Nagato's Minds.

Why didnt nagato use his bodies to get him out of jiraiyas GEnjutsu.........cuz he couldnt, otherwise he would've revived the other bodies to help him escape, But instead he waited until Jiraiya Ended the Genjutsu, So he'll have his mind back to revive his other bodies and attack Jiraiya.

Although i may be wrong, and you may be wrong, But he did wait until jiraiya ended it, so he can move them.

This is speculation, for all we know, the bodies could have been on the way the moment the first 3 got caught in the genjutsu, anyways, Jaraiya's genjutsu was made to bind ones Psyche, that works on a totally different level from Tsukiyomi which basically makes it feel as though you are tortured, and you lose your sense of time.

I believe that unless he can get the real Nagato in a genjutsu, Tsukiyomi is pointless, Tendo can't be beaten by mental stress, they are bodies with chakra controlling them.

 

[kadowade]

genjutsu does not affect nagato. he can control other bodies while 1 body is in genjutsu meaning he can counter fast and fatally. if genjutsu affected nagato thru brain linkage nagato wud be dead from when jariya stabbed tht path while in genjutsu.

He stabbed the PAth IN REAL LIFE, that wasent the genjutsu. you see the big sword After he released the Genjutsu. and of course physical attacks dont Hurt the REAL nagato. physical attacks wont kill the REAL nagato, SO if That Stab jiraiya did was apart of the Genjutsu, Then That wouldve effected The real nagato..

Tsukiyomi is perfect since you dont have to do anything Physically, you die without physical contact

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

Uzumaki Sasuke;4005544]1. Itachi's Tsukuyomi can be casted on more than one person:
In Konoha when Kakashi fought Itachi. When Itachi was about 2 use Tsukuyomi Kakashi told BOTH KURENAI n ASUMA 2 CLOSE THEIR EYES. Kakashi is smart. Why wud he ask both of them 2 close their eyes 2 counter his Tsukuyomi if it cud only be casted on 1 person at a time. They were 3 of them. Itachi got only Kakashi bcos he was d only 1 who looked into his eyes. Dis is d same way Itachi wud cast a genjutsu on d 6 paths. He cud use his eyes or fingers. Dis was exactly what happened when They faced Itachi on their way 2 save Gaara. Kakashi told ALL of them NOT 2 look into his eyes but his body.

U are reading on the lines.Itachi could have picked anyone to cast tsukuyomi on. If It could be cast on multiple ppl then Kakashi would have layed it out there after that statment.Did he? Not, U simply twisted tose words like Lucifer did to the Bible to temp Jesus.

Kakashi never said it so it is an irrelevent argument

2. THERE IS 1 IMPORTANT THING I WUD WANT 2 POINT OUT.
D genjutsu Itachi casted upon Naruto when they met on their way 2 save Gaara was NOT Tsukuyomi. It was Itachi's NORMAL GENJUTSU. I know dis bcos he even said he cudn't activate MS at that time.

who ever said that was worng, your right Itach only use used Genjutsu.

3. That was only 30% of Itachi's chakra. So if disrupting ur chakra flow(with someone as much chakra as Naruto) cudn't work on a NORMAL GENJUTSU of a 30% Itachi how cud someone disrupt his chakra 2 counter TSUKUYOMI? It's not possible even with d Rinnegan.

first, Nagato's chakra is massive, way more than Itachi or Naruto's chakra
and The rinnagan itself Is ocular in that If some one gets to close they will get bound by Its preasure.Shown with the Kakashi fight and After Naruto found the real pain.

U forget that Tsukuyomi is a visual Ginjutsu of the Highest level.It is no an instant kill jutsu.The pains cant die frome it cuz they are already dead If kakash manage to survive it them What makes U think that the Rinnagan cant.

It isnt like Sound Ginjustu like the frogs use, but If It could it would only effect one Pain

4. It is stated in d manga that Itachi's Tsukuyomi can ONLY BE BROKEN BY HIS OWN FLESH AND BLOOD(Meaning Sasuke). And Sasuke fulfilled that statement when they fought. Zetsu said he cudn't believe that SASUKE BROKE TSUKUYOMI



PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE MY FIRST FACT!!

[/QUOTE],



That is a fact, but the Rinnagan was said to be the strongest of all duojutsu

Byakugan and Sharingan.This Is a fact as well. It uculur powers out ways Sharingan And MS.

 

[Izanami]

He stabbed the PAth IN REAL LIFE, that wasent the genjutsu. you see the big sword After he released the Genjutsu. and of course physical attacks dont Hurt the REAL nagato. physical attacks wont kill the REAL nagato, SO if That Stab jiraiya did was apart of the Genjutsu, Then That wouldve effected The real nagato..

Tsukiyomi is perfect since you dont have to do anything Physically, you die without physical contact

you cant torture a dead body to death genjutsu agsainst the pains is just wasting chakra lets say he gets 3 tsyukamis out of 3 hes out of chakra and hes fighting 3 paths and a Healthy nagato and the tsyukamis wouldnt even work so its pointless because you cant torture a dead body next

 

[captainEO]

how would the paths die? they wouldnt at all if that was true itachi would have just used genjutsu on nagato which he didnt

plus like i said the paths could break him out and i doubt itachi can spam that much yata magatamas at the ball i mean chibaku tensei and susano are usually last resort jutsus usually used around the end of the fight which in this case that would result itachi maybe breaking out but cant even move after it or just plain dying of exhaustion or itachi would fail at breaking it and will crush him to oblivion

idk how it broke out of the signature

with regards to the tsukuyomi I meant that instead of using one 72 hour tsukuyomi. He could use three separate 24 hour ones instead. In this way he could cast 3 tsukuyomi at the cost of one.

but perhaps you're right. Pain is likely to win

 

[captainEO]

tysukami works by torturing how can you torture a dead body to death its laughable he has 3 trys if he wants to lose all his chakra so tell me how this works?

hmm... you're right

but if it the tsukuyomi lasts for a shorter period of time e.g. less than 72 hours (18 hours perhaps)... he may be able to use it more than three times

 

[Izanami]

with regards to the tsukuyomi I meant that instead of using one 72 hour tsukuyomi. He could use three separate 24 hour ones instead. In this way he could cast 3 tsukuyomi at the cost of one.

but perhaps you're right. Pain is likely to win

that is riddiclous you know that but the last sentance is the most sense you have made in this thread

 

[Jokule67]

He stabbed the PAth IN REAL LIFE, that wasent the genjutsu. you see the big sword After he released the Genjutsu. and of course physical attacks dont Hurt the REAL nagato. physical attacks wont kill the REAL nagato, SO if That Stab jiraiya did was apart of the Genjutsu, Then That wouldve effected The real nagato..

Tsukiyomi is perfect since you dont have to do anything Physically, you die without physical contact

all tht is piontles seeing as tht nagato can cut off chakra going 2 the body. tsukyomi wud be canceled becuz it only works on functioning chakra in brain.

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

U are reading on the lines.Itachi could have picked anyone to cast tsukuyomi on. If It could be cast on multiple ppl then Kakashi would have layed it out there after that statment.Did he? Not, U simply twisted tose words like Lucifer did to the Bible to temp Jesus.

Kakashi never said it so it is an irrelevent argument





who ever said that was worng, your right Itach only use used Genjutsu.




first, Nagato's chakra is massive, way more than Itachi or Naruto's chakra
and The rinnagan itself Is ocular in that If some one gets to close they will get bound by Its preasure.Shown with the Kakashi fight and After Naruto found the real pain.

U forget that Tsukuyomi is a visual Ginjutsu of the Highest level.It is no an instant kill jutsu.The pains cant die frome it cuz they are already dead If kakash manage to survive it them What makes U think that the Rinnagan cant.

It isnt like Sound Ginjustu like the frogs use, but If It could it would only effect one Pain

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That is a fact, but the Rinnagan was said to be the strongest of all duojutsu

Byakugan and Sharingan.This Is a fact as well. It uculur powers out ways Sharingan And MS.[/QUOTE]


Naruto's chakra is larger than Nagato's chakra.
Kakashi survived bcos Itachi spared his life. It is said in d manga.

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

Well Itachi too knows water style jutsu and is a master in it you could imagine since he spent years with Kisame.

It was Never said that Itachi was a master of any Jutsu.and If we only by wat the manga showed Not by what was said,Itachi was showed mastery of three things

1) Fire jutsu

2)Visual jutsu

3) and kunani skills

those are the only jutsu that He Showed Master skills of

 

[Retsu]

hmm... you're right

but if it the tsukuyomi lasts for a shorter period of time e.g. less than 72 hours (18 hours perhaps)... he may be able to use it more than three times

I doubt it works like that, whether or not someone was made to experience 1 hour or 72 hours, Tsukiyomi is Tsukiyomi, there's no way to use a weak Tsukiyomi

 

[kadowade]

U are reading on the lines.Itachi could have picked anyone to cast tsukuyomi on. If It could be cast on multiple ppl then Kakashi would have layed it out there after that statment.Did he? Not, U simply twisted tose words like Lucifer did to the Bible to temp Jesus.

Kakashi never said it so it is an irrelevent argument



who ever said that was worng, your right Itach only use used Genjutsu.


first, Nagato's chakra is massive, way more than Itachi or Naruto's chakra
and The rinnagan itself Is ocular in that If some one gets to close they will get bound by Its preasure.Shown with the Kakashi fight and After Naruto found the real pain.

U forget that Tsukuyomi is a visual Ginjutsu of the Highest level.It is no an instant kill jutsu.The pains cant die frome it cuz they are already dead If kakash manage to survive it them What makes U think that the Rinnagan cant.

It isnt like Sound Ginjustu like the frogs use, but If It could it would only effect one Pain

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Kakashi didnt Survive Tsikiyomi, Clearly he spared his life, and EVen Kakashi said "Why didnt he Just Kill me" (Itachi never wanted to kill anybody) SO that proves he couldve killed Kakashi, but itachi ended it.

And i dont think Nagatos Chakra is bigger than NAruto's. It might, it might not. especially since naruto has the fox too.

And kakashi was already in Tsukiyomi when he told them not to look.
Like Kakashi looked at itachi eyes then kakashi got all riled up and started screaming "DONT LOOK AT HIS EYES" Kakashi was already caught and he knew it, thats why he told them to close their eyes, so they wont suffer the same fate. You can obviously see When kakashi looked at itachis eyes, YOu saw kakashi's reaction.

 

[Izanami]

It was Never said that Itachi was a master of any Jutsu.and If we only by wat the manga showed Not by what was said,Itachi was showed mastery of three things

1) Fire jutsu

2)Visual jutsu

3) and kunani skills

those are the only jutsu that He Showed Master skills of

Yes and Nagato has mastered all 5 elements and look how strong his chibaku tensei is thats his earth element

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

,



That is a fact, but the Rinnagan was said to be the strongest of all duojutsu

Byakugan and Sharingan.This Is a fact as well. It uculur powers out ways Sharingan And MS.

Naruto's chakra is larger than Nagato's chakra.
Kakashi survived bcos Itachi spared his life. It is said in d manga.[/QUOTE]

yes, but he never died

Nagato's health plays a big ratr in it
as so do Itachi's

 

[kadowade]

It was Never said that Itachi was a master of any Jutsu.and If we only by wat the manga showed Not by what was said,Itachi was showed mastery of three things

1) Fire jutsu

2)Visual jutsu

3) and kunani skills

those are the only jutsu that He Showed Master skills of

And water-style techniques he used on kakashi