Itachi vs Pain

Itachi vs Nagato

  • Itachi

    Votes: 236 48.2%
  • Pain

    Votes: 236 48.2%
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    Votes: 57 11.6%

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HE CANT USE LYK DANZO IT ISNT TRANSPLANTED IN HIM. WAT HE CAN DO IS PUT THE COMMAND KILL URSELF NOW. but tht move is overpowered. saying he has it preprogrammed with lyk tht automatically makes him win.
Nagato with his paths without being cripple and just being able to fight(so far he had to use those rods to fight but now he can suddenly fight normally without it) is also overpowered. this thread also seems to be made so that itachi loses by giving nagato outrageous advantages, all i am saying is that this is so favored towards nagato, itachi should be able to use some powers like koto amakatsui since this is such a disadvantage to only itachi.
 

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Not really and i dont care who wins but how wud Itachi figure out that it is the Naraka path and even if he does, remember the Naraka path can be summoned over and over and Itachi wont just be able to kill it. Your the one making no sense, Itachi wud jus kill and kill until they all dead lol and Nagato is just gonna stand there??!! And does Itachi have infinite chakra?? And plz dont ever call me anything like a fanboy again becuz i am really gonna flame u then and i am no fanboy anyways. Just a while back if you check my post, on threads like Itachi is stronger than Nagato, etc, i was defending Itachi. but now i dont see how he cud win.
1. Yes Nagato wud just stand there cos u said he was hiding. DIDN'T U?!!!
2. D Naraka Path cannot be summoned. It's d one dat summons.
3.You said he had Large chakra at d beginning of dis post n sorry 4 callin u a fanboy u just behave like one.
4. He uses Tsukuyomi 2 kill Naraka path then uses Amateratsu 2 burn up Animal n Human Path n Uses Totsuka Blade 2 destroy Asura path n Pretta path. He then uses Yata Mirror 2 partly overcome Shinra Tensei nd within d 5 sec interval seals Deva path also. He then goes 2 find Nagato in his hiding.
 

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Give me 1 reason why he cant do that? In narutopedia it says he can summon the 6 paths. So trust me but your wrong and even if he wasnt fighting by them, it wudnt change the outcome of the battle.
he can use it on dead bodies and with himself at the same time that is not mentioned anywhere and as far as we have seen he was hiding becus he is crippled, but all i am saying is that ur making it so he gets everything all his powers while he has his dead bodies i don't think he can do that at the same time that is double the chakra and he is hiding for a reason cos ppl would target him and he has to control them properly and not be so vulnerable on the battlefield. itachi can stop any paths except preta and tendo with amaterasu and he can just easily seal preta with sword of totsuka. tendo can also be sealed or attacked with yasaka magatama or sealed with the sword. the paths are actually slower with their techs and have weaker attacks and for defense itachi has got his susano and yata mirror.
 
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Nagato with his paths without being cripple and just being able to fight(so far he had to use those rods to fight but now he can suddenly fight normally without it) is also overpowered. this thread also seems to be made so that itachi loses by giving nagato outrageous advantages, all i am saying is that this is so favored towards nagato, itachi should be able to use some powers like koto amakatsui since this is such a disadvantage to only itachi.
When did i say he can fight without being crippled, i just said he is at his best condition which means that if it's possible for him to move around and fight with the 6 paths then he can do that, i did this to avoid disadvantages and limitations, same for Itachi, he is full healthy and has Koto as well. Even tho i actually feel that Koto is a straight up advantage since he isnt born with it but ok! But anyways this thread was definitly not made for Nagato to win.
 

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Nagato with his paths without being cripple and just being able to fight(so far he had to use those rods to fight but now he can suddenly fight normally without it) is also overpowered. this thread also seems to be made so that itachi loses by giving nagato outrageous advantages, all i am saying is that this is so favored towards nagato, itachi should be able to use some powers like koto amakatsui since this is such a disadvantage to only itachi.
agree but KA is a 1shot move and if it lands its over so we cant really use it. its just 2 overpowered. personally i now think pain can beat itachi by themselves.

SUSANOO-susanoo is labeled ninjutsu and doujutsu. its a ninjutsu produced by doujtsu. it is materialization of itachi's chakra therefore it can be absorbed. the only reason nagato didnt do it in manga was becuz he wasnt close enough.

TSUKOYOMI-affects the chakra in the targeted person's brain with eye contact. he wud be using it on dead peoples brain. he wud shortly disable control of 1 body but the others wud already be attacking so its dumb 2 use.

AMATERASU-Amaterasu doesnt burn intsantly.nagato can force it off with gravity techniques(pull it off-and use 4 is own attack lol) and revive a body b4 it is comsumed. Plus he can sense th pressure of it b4 its used.
 
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Nagato with his paths without being cripple and just being able to fight(so far he had to use those rods to fight but now he can suddenly fight normally without it) is also overpowered. this thread also seems to be made so that itachi loses by giving nagato outrageous advantages, all i am saying is that this is so favored towards nagato, itachi should be able to use some powers like koto amakatsui since this is such a disadvantage to only itachi.
So what it's simple itachi has all the powers he can and is full health vs nagato that never summoned gedo statue he would still have pein all six and he would be healthy himself cause he never summon gedo so he could fight with his paths but he would fall back to maximum range to control them cause it technique and if by some freak way itachi killed all paths o sh!t here comes gedo mazo and if you say susano better the gedo WOW
 

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READ THIS:
Pls I have 2 clerify dis now.
Hearing Genjutsu is still genjutsu. Visual genjutsu is still under genjutsu n so is Finger genjutsu. People say d Rinnegan is IMMUNE 2 visual genjutsu with no facts 2 back it up but what of Itachi's Finger genjutsu? Who knows Itachi may even hav ASS genjutsu.
no worries, ill reply to the best of my abilities.

THERE IS 1 IMPORTANT THING I WUD WANT 2 POINT OUT.
D genjutsu Itachi casted upon Naruto when they met on their way 2 save Gaara was NOT Tsukuyomi. It was Itachi's NORMAL GENJUTSU. I know dis cos Itachi's eye's never showed Mangekyou Sharingan during that fight. He even said he cudn't activate MS at that time.
it was not secret he said that, itachi with his amazing ability to use genjutsu was trumped in that confrontation although his superiority in that field of jutsu is praised upon.

That was only 30% of Itachi's chakra. So if disrupting ur chakra flow(with someone as much chakra as Naruto) cudn't work on a NORMAL GENJUTSU how cud someone disrupt his chakra 2 counter TSUKUYOMI? It's not possible even with d Rinnegan.
remember, j-man stated its only good for peps who have high intellect, if your saying naruto and nagato intellect are equal then you must be reading the wrong manga.
It is stated in d manga that Itachi's Tsukuyomi can ONLY BE BROKEN BY HIS OWN FLESH AND BLOOD(Meaning Sasuke). And Sasuke fulfilled that statement when they fought. Zetsu said he cudn't believe that SASUKE BROKE TSUKUYOMI.
theres always a weakness in every jutsu, and yes he did say that, then bee squashed that theory didn't he...note..*Tsukuyomi can ONLY BE BROKEN BY HIS OWN FLESH AND BLOOD*


1. Tsukuyomi- Itachi's strength is genjutsu, Nagato's weakness is genjutsu. Since Jiraiya got him with genjutsu I'm sure Itachi wud easily get him since he has d strongest genjutsu in d narutoverse. D reason why Itachi didn't bother in using Tsukuyomi is cos there's no point in wasting ur chakra on someone who cannot die.
i disagree, if nagato was vulnerable to itachi's genjutsu, and with itachi's all so powerful Tsukuyomi which some say can end a fight in seconds, why didint he use it? its only logical since itachi's first jutsu's in combat always seems to start of with genjutsu based tecs

2. Amateratsu- As seen in d last chapter Itachi already burned Nagato's hands b4 he cud do anything 2 counter it but due 2 d fact dat Nagato is an Edo Tensei it cud not destroy his hands so it regenerated back so he cud repelled it.
i also disagree with this, he repelled it then regenerated, and the fact he is cripple and vs 2 tailed beast and a advanced user of the sharingan is remarkable.

4. Yata Mirror- It DEFLECTS ALL THINGS including Shinra Tensei.
indeed, but i cant say the same for chibaku tensei.

5. Yasaka's Magatama- Itachi's strongest long range attack was capable of destroying Chikudan Tensei. 1 or 3 Yasaka's Magatamas wud destroy Chikudan Tensei. D reason why Itachi told all of them 2 contribute was due 2 d fact dat he was saving his chakra 4 future battles in d war. What if d person controllin Nagato sends someone stronger than Nagato 2 fight him immediately afta dis fight? Itachi is smart. He thought far ahead.
thats incorrect, why would he save chakra when he is in edo tensai?

6. Smartness- I don't think anyone, even d most biased Nagato fan in Naruto wud oppose 2 d fact dat Itachi is smarter than Nagato
everyone knows that, but even the most biased itachi fan would know nagato would pwn itachi.
 
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1. Yes Nagato wud just stand there cos u said he was hiding. DIDN'T U?!!!
2. D Naraka Path cannot be summoned. It's d one dat summons.
3.You said he had Large chakra at d beginning of dis post n sorry 4 callin u a fanboy u just behave like one.
4. He uses Tsukuyomi 2 kill Naraka path then uses Amateratsu 2 burn up Animal n Human Path n Uses Totsuka Blade 2 destroy Asura path n Pretta path. He then uses Yata Mirror 2 partly overcome Shinra Tensei nd within d 5 sec interval seals Deva path also. He then goes 2 find Nagato in his hiding.
1. Yea but Pain isnt gonna stand there
2. I think i remember Naruto killing that Pain and they still came back, i cud be wrong.
3. I am not a fanboy and i meant he has as much chakra as he can have, so he isnt at a disadvantage anyhow.
4. First off shinra tensei wud push back most of these attacks and Pain wont just stand there! Plus i doubt that Itachi has all this chakra in the first place, and if the paths fly then how wud the sword reach them??
 

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hey man have u read my post. i countered the meddlesome mangekyo check it out.
itachi can implant it on himself if he really wanted or rig the eye to give a command, he can use the powers dude but only once in 10 years. if it really is an all out hypothetical fight why can't he use it.
 

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Ok lets say he hides in the beggining of the fight, thats not an addage but a smart thing to do. Also fine lets say Itachi has Koto, so what??
You see what I mean when I say addage. Why do u suddenly say dat he was hiding 2 help Nagato a little. YEEEESSSS!!! Itachi certainly wins with Koto Amatsukami!!!!! He controls Nagato's mind by seeing d chakra given out by him towards d paths. OR he locates his chakra since Nagato's chakra signals are strong.
 

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no worries, ill reply to the best of my abilities.


it was not secret he said that, itachi with his amazing ability to use genjutsu was trumped in that confrontation although his superiority in that field of jutsu is praised upon.


remember, j-man stated its only good for peps who have high intellect, if your saying naruto and nagato intellect are equal then you must be reading the wrong manga.

theres always a weakness in every jutsu, and yes he did say that, then bee squashed that theory didn't he...note..*Tsukuyomi can ONLY BE BROKEN BY HIS OWN FLESH AND BLOOD*



i disagree, if nagato was vulnerable to itachi's genjutsu, and with itachi's all so powerful Tsukuyomi which some say can end a fight in seconds, why didint he use it? its only logical since itachi's first jutsu's in combat always seems to start of with genjutsu based tecs


i also disagree with this, he repelled it then regenerated, and the fact he is cripple and vs 2 tailed beast and a advanced user of the sharingan is remarkable.


indeed, but i cant say the same for chibaku tensei.


thats incorrect, why would he save chakra when he is in edo tensai?


everyone knows that, but even the most biased itachi fan would know nagato would pwn itachi.
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dude minatoflash make it clear what r u trying to say is he hiding or not it just seems to me ur changing it as it is advantageous to nagato
 
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You see what I mean when I say addage. Why do u suddenly say dat he was hiding 2 help Nagato a little. YEEEESSSS!!! Itachi certainly wins with Koto Amatsukami!!!!! He controls Nagato's mind by seeing d chakra given out by him towards d paths. OR he locates his chakra since Nagato's chakra signals are strong.
are u ignoring me?
 

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You see what I mean when I say addage. Why do u suddenly say dat he was hiding 2 help Nagato a little. YEEEESSSS!!! Itachi certainly wins with Koto Amatsukami!!!!! He controls Nagato's mind by seeing d chakra given out by him towards d paths. OR he locates his chakra since Nagato's chakra signals are strong.
I didnt say it to help Nagato out but to make more sense, and also i tried to help Itachi out too. I didnt say that what if the path absorbes sasoonoo or is immune to genjutsu or some BS like that, if i was a fanboy then i wud of said this, but as you can see i posted against it everytime and actually helped Itachi more than Pain. I am NOT the kinda person who thinks that someone wud win just cuz i WANT them to win.
 

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I didnt say it to help Nagato out but to make more sense, and also i tried to help Itachi out too. I didnt say that what if the path absorbes sasoonoo or is immune to genjutsu or some BS like that, if i was a fanboy then i wud of said this, but as you can see i posted against it everytime and actually helped Itachi more than Pain. I am NOT the kinda person who thinks that someone wud win just cuz i WANT them to win.
dude but nagato and 6 paths separately have not been shown to work together, nagato has to use his chakra to use the dead bodies and use the chakra to fight himself, that does not seem to make sense it is either he fights alone or hides and uses his paths, both at the same time is not shown and is double the chakra, and effort.
 
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