10/10 wow all the paths other than deva and preta can be stopped by just amaterasu which can target multiple ppl. only preta and deva would satnd and genjutsu, sussano, sword of totsuka(can't be absorbed if it was then nagato would have done it), and taijutsu(for preta). itachi would take this with high difficulty. and preta absorbs slower than nagato stop confusing between them. and deva has 5 sec limit enough time to seal, genjutsu, or burn arms or body parts with amaterasu(maybe but def possible).
Itachi vs Pain
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lanakau888
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you know preta can absorb amaterasu off of the other paths, deva can shinra tensei it off of other paths. Itachi can kill preta with taijutsu if he was only fighting preta, but he has to deal with all six of the pains + summons at the same time. The only thing pain has to do is watch out for the sword, and with deva shinra tensei every five seconds plus asura blasting with rockets and lasers, multiple boss summonings, and preta absorbing any long range jutsu that shinra tensei doesn't take care of itachi loses and loses hard.
yea he has to do that individually by which time their bodies burn and also itachi is not gonna sit there and watch he would only need to go at two more paths and genjutsu(immobilize him), sussano, sword of totsuka(can seal him) are all the tools he needs. if he uses genjutsu on deva they are done no shinra tensei, CT or anything. preta really does not stand a chance afterwards against itachi. rockets are nothing i told u all 4 of those paths would pretty much die to amaterasu and no revival after that either and the other eye he can use for genjutsu is useful against preta or deva but deva is the better option for tsukiyomi or genjutsu in general cos preta is not nearly as strong and can die to simple taijutsu and all other paths as said can be done with amaterasu which can target multiple ppl as long as itachi can see them so they are pretty much dead or unusable cos of the damage and they are not fast to dodge it either. But no way in hell an easy fight and extremely bad if itachi ever used that many jutsus but he did it when he was sick so he can do it healthy(as stated in this thread)
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lanakau888
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Sure because itachi has been shown to use amaterasu on multiple targets without any repricussions. One shinra tensei is all it will take to blow off all of the amaterasu. Its possible that deva can shinra tensei away amaterasu before it even hits anyone, seeing as gaara can react to it. As healthy as itachi may be, he cannot spam these techniques like you are saying. And do you think that either preta or god realm will be looking at itachi if they are dealing with amaterasu? So at best he can tsukuyomi one, which I highly doubt seeing as he just used four amaterasu's.
So i have proved that itachi cannot deal with the six paths by using amaterasu. And I have already stated how the paths will beat susanoo and tsukuyomi.
Itachi only has a 2.5 in stamina in the databook. That means he will not be able to spam techniques like you say he can, also if you want to make the argument that the 2.5 is due to his illness, then I will say that the databook gives kimimaro a 4.5 and he was closer to the grave than itachi.
While I agree that a healthy itachi's movements would be better than the weak itachi, his stamina would not be much greater, thus not allowing him to constantly spam high-chakra jutsu's like you are saying, and even if he could, I have shown that pain can counter them without much trouble.
not four amaterasu but one hcan shoot at muliple places and targets look
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multple paths would get caught
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and itachi is not stupid(tactical and quick thinker) he would try to take out the leader aka deva seeing he is the biggest threat and genjutsu would do the trick for that
the paths are not fast to dodge it. and he can also do tsukiyomi also to get deva and any of his techs useless due to immobilizing him. preta is the only one left and he is no tough dude to beat easy with taijutsu skills . and itachi can't use these techs no ur wrong he used even more than this in dsasuke vs itachi and he was sick in thus affecting his stamina and he used many genjutsus, tsukiyomi, amaterasu(twice with multiple flames), avg ninjutsu and sussano. so he can definitely do these techs in healthy as he has done them b4. yea so much proof when manga denies what ur saying and yea he is gonna hav repercussions but in a fight to death why would he not go all out.
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lanakau888
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I will acknowledge this, but seeing as gaara can react and block amaterasu with his sand, im sure deva can deflect it before it even hits any of the paths.
pain's not stupid either. Thanks to his shared vision, he can choose to not look at itachi through deva, making him impervious to tsukuyomi
As stated can't tsukuyomi deva when his eyes are closed and because of this one fact the rest of your argument falls apart.
I already addressed how his sickness does not affect his stamina seeing as it did not affect kimimaro's stamina, since it was 4.5. At the very most, I'll say that a healthy itachi can use twice as many mangekyou sharingan techniques as he did vs sasuke. Lets not forget that in part 1, where itachi should have had more stamina since he wasn't as sick, he had to deactivate his sharingan after using tsukuyomi once and amaterasu once.
I don't even think the sword of totsuka would work on the paths because it's used to seal peoples souls into the gourd. However, the separate paths don't have souls, Nagato animates and controls them through use of chakra receivers.
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i dont understand how people say nagato wins but pain loses?
pain has a better shot than nagato but i still think they can win
pain has a better shot than nagato but i still think they can win
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well it also seals their bodies within the gourd. i guess we can speculate on that but so far its been both physically sealing them in the gourd so i don't think it should not work but u never kno i guess in naruto.
dude they barely have tie to react to rasen-shuriken and they would to amaterasu very unlikely they would just get burned. and in part 1 he was never going for an all out fight konoha is his ally. in part two he showed us more than enough when he had to fight sasuke he showed amaterasu twice with multiple flames, tsukiyomi, other genjutsu, firestyle tech and not to mention also sussano which is more than enough. kimimaro and itachi do not have same illness do they and i am not 100% sure but i think itachi's stats went down after part 1 but wither way he showed us more than enough against sasuke he can get ppl in amaterasu. and he can get ppl in genjutsu without eye contact he did this with turning into clones and tricking the enemy which even naruto was able to do. and its hard to not see itachi as he can put ppl in genjutsu at the beginning of the fight. not only that itachi can put without eye contact like he did to oro and naruto so the rest of your argument falls off there.
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gets oro without eye contact also turns into crow clones and can get ppl in genjutsu also did something like that to naruto
and not only that its almost impossible to avoid eye contact as itachi's genjutsu is instant and can be done even b4 the battle aka like deidara.
sorry but ur argument does not hold ground especially against a specialist at genjutsu like itachi.
and ps gaara is on another lvl in comparsion to individual paths they do not really have a viable defense and also not really fast to dodge so they will very likely get caught by amaterasu.
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@lanauku(sorry for bad spelling) this is just another example of genjutsu that pain can't just keep avoid. fingers can also do the trick and also the one with oro is an example. srry for multipost
lanakau888
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Rasenshuriken is extremely fast, it crossed half of the chibaku tensei canyon in one second while plowing through ton's of boulders. And dodging does not equal reacting. Once deva knows amaterasu has been used, he will just use shinra tensei, that's it there is no getting around this fact.
So lets backtrack and see where we've come from:
Amaterasu will be absorbed, or most likely shinra tenseied before it can reach any of the paths seeing as gaara and his sand were able to react and defend against it.
Tsukuyomi will only work against one of the paths and that will not be God realm as he can use shared vision to battle itachi.
Susanoo can be fought from a distance, absorbed by preta path, shinra tenseied off by god realm, or at least its long ranged attacks can be shinra tenseied or absorbed.
Weak finger genjutsu will not work as there are six pains each one able to snap the other one out of a regular genjutsu.
There's no plausible way for itachi to win.
told u already genjutsu is fast and can get deva plus preta has to be close to absorb and if does try to get close it would be sealed(did not absorb the sword). its not just finger jutsu and its not weak oro a sannin lvl got cught in similar no-eye contact genjutsu and was immobilized so why can't deva. and tsukiyomi is instant and can be used in even the beginning of battle. amaterasu would not be absorbed due to the fact there are multiple targets and the fact that preta has to individually go and absorb it and also in the meantime they would be burned to a crisp not to mention itachi can still fight after amaterasu such as taijutsu on preta path. genjutsu on deva, stops all his attacks, amaterasu on 4 paths gets them done and preta is nothing he cannot deal with. hard fight though but itachi has better chances and pain also has his chances but just lower.
the other paths are not fast enough to dodge amaterasu which is considerably faster than rasen-shuriken they are not really close in speed what soever and amaterasu is fast and the paths are just frankly not fast enough to dodge and a attack of that speed.
And itachi's tsukiyomi is instant said by kakashi so he can even get deva in the beginning of the battle
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and no plausible way to win what a fan u are, there are ways both can win even most ppl can agree with that who even support pain but i showed many forms of proof from the manga how tsukiyomi and multiple genjutsus can get him, plus how amaterasu can get other paths quite fast and can get multiple ppl but its ur opinion and nothing's guaranteed in terms of fight in naruto so i'll say the best is to agree to disagree.
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lanakau888
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Please stop making me repeat myself. Whether it is weak or not, the six paths are there, genjutsu other than tsukuyomi is going to get beaten instantly because the paths can snap each other out of it.
Itachi will not get deva in it at the start of the battle, unless the op states that deva has his MS activated and deva is looking into itachi's eyes at the start of the battle. There is no way deva is getting tsukuyomi'd since he is looking through the other path's eyes. And even if my some crazy chance deva was tsukuyomied, amaterasu doesn't burn quickly, karin tanked it, the raikage was fine with it, the samurai's armor withstood it, the path's will be able to long enough for preta to absorb it. And preta's suction is so fast that rasenshuriken couldn't even get through.
You gotta stop with deva getting genjutsued, there is no way that he is getting hit with tsukuyomi, and your entire argument relies on that one fact that is pretty much impossible to happen since they have shared vision.
I have agreed to disagree with others before, but I won't this time just because your claims are not plausible and the difference between our arguments isn't due to the ambiguity of the manga.