Itachi vs Pain

[Preta]

Oh really,then you should re-read the manga
His purpose when he came to Konaha is to remind the Elders and Danzo after The 3rd Death that he still alive (in order to protect Saskue) not about Naruto as we all know that Naruto is the last one needed to be sealed.

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I like how you say, "Oh really," as if you've made a grand counter or something.

When did I ever talk about the "why" of Itachi coming to Konoha after the thirds death? I simply outlined that Itachi has proven to be more than willing to kill ninja from Konoha to further his cover, so saying he lied about not being able to kill J-man because he didn't want to kill him was...just plain silly.

Thanks for answering the way you did though. I was waiting for something so ironic. I tell you that you can't pick and choose what to believe in the manga based on the characters you like, and you respond by...telling me to read the manga!? Couldn't I just decide what Tobi's story really means for myself like you seem to do?? Thanks =)

 

[Nameer]

I like how you say, "Oh really," as if you've made a grand counter or something.

When did I ever talk about the "why" of Itachi coming to Konoha after the thirds death? I simply outlined that Itachi has proven to be more than willing to kill ninja from Konoha to further his cover, so saying he lied about not being able to kill J-man because he didn't want to kill him was...just plain silly.

Thanks for answering the way you did though. I was waiting for something so ironic. I tell you that you can't pick and choose what to believe in the manga based on the characters you like, and you respond by...telling me to read the manga!? Couldn't I just decide what Tobi's story really means for myself like you seem to do?? Thanks =)

Ok,what can jiraiya do against Itachi???against Itachi's powers Amaterasu,Tsukuyomi and Susanoo???
remember Jiraiya was shocked when his jutsu broken by Itachi's Amaterasu
I don't guess or say something isn't confirmed,as you see I always use Evidences and proves
Itachi's story is confirmed by Madara and the chapters (397-401) not by me
My argue with you isn't about challenging or countering you,I just want to prove that Itachi is really strong because many of Naruto fans are underestimated Itachi.

 

[almasyan]

I didn't "provide proof," because the outcome is frightfully obvious and the only people who would demand "proof" are no doubt Itachi fanboys who could not be convinced even if Kishi himself said their hero would not win....

Allow me to waste my time anyway -- Itachi's best techniques and what sets him apart from other shinobi are of course, his eye techniques with the sharingan. Most of these are genjutsu and that is no doubt the field he likes to play in and where his greatest advantage lies.

Pain is immune to such techniques. The rinnegan is partly responsible, but most important is how pain completely counters ALL Itachi's eye techniques simply by being 6 in 1. Itachi cannot lock 6 people at once in a Tsukuyomi, even if he catches one, the other 5 are on him. The 6 bodies also share sight, meaning the body Itachi is trapping can look away but the other 5 can keep looking at him and tell the 6th what he is doing. Pain would be hell for Itachi, he is built completely and entirely to counter a ninja like Itachi because of his 6 paths jutsu. Remember Kakashi's whole speech about, "don't fight a genjutsu user 1v1, run away, they have the advantage. But fight them in a group of 2v1 or more and you have it." Well how about 6v1? I thought so.There would be no one worse for Itachi to fight.

So Itachi can not use his bread and butter of eye techniques. Well let's be honest, after genjutsu, Itachi is pretty basic with 2 special moves thrown in and that's about it. Pain of course does not even use much genjutsu--if any--so now that genjutsu is out of the picture i think the outcome is all that much more obvious...but of course some fans disagree. =)

So basically this is where the hilarity starts. Obviously Itachi is not going to take on 6 s-class ninja in hand to hand combat and win(lol) so it basically becomes the 6 paths of pain and their countless insane jutsu vs....amaterasu and susanno....wow. Maybe you see why some people can't take fanboys opinions seriously?

So somehow you have a ninja with 2 techniques beating 6 ninja with inumerable techniques? Ok sure, that seems fine. However again, amaterasu should be out of the picture, pain can absorb it, push it back or simply 5v1 Itachi while he "aims" it at one of the bodies; again, pains numbers make such a technique purely laughable when looked at objectively.

So this is where the itachi fans find their final harbor.....Susanno. Now of course, Susanno could simply be trapped by Chibaku tensei, could be absorbed by fat man, or avoided till Itachi kills himself.

I have to ask...are you serious? Do you actually put your feelings aside when arguing this? Because quite frankly, realistically, this fight comes down to 6 paths of pain and all their Jutsu vs Itachi and one justu. it's just stupid, I'm sorry, I like Itachi aswell, but the argument is "silly."

I said it before, I'll say it again: pain is the worst opponent Itachi could possibly face in this manga so far. 1v1 Itachi would give anyone hell, even ninja like madara and the 4th, I truly believe that. But because of how pain fights, he simply counters Itachi's main techniques completely. This is just a no win situation.

You keep saying fanboys or itachi's fans.i'm not itachi's fan,i'm far away from being fan of any manga hero.a lot of things were said about their fight,both sides have some arguments.you have ur's as well.but i think u overstimated 6 paths a little.
for example genjutsu.okay here was said that it won't effect pein but j-man's worked so why genjutsu of the best genjutsu user in naruto universe won't work?let's say it works.being in Tsukuyomi for 1 sec is enough to be killed-is that ok?remember kakashi's fight-he wondered y itachi didn't kill him.
ok this bodies are corpes they can't be killed like this..ok.once a body tries to attack itachi he trapes it a genjutsu and kills with a kunai or whatever.even his explosive bunshin will be enough.
4 of those bodies are out for sure.they are no match.only absorbing body and god realm can cause troubles.once he kills body with summons-no summons.pain can't recognize where is the real one and where is a clone.demon realm and those trash 3 bodies all can be destroyed by explosive clones.remember itachi's speed of hand seals-even in a fight with sasuke who is pretty strong he made a clone while blocking sasuke's attack,kakashi's team vs itachi is an anime example.
now 2vs1 here is no amateratsu cause it won't work,that's ok.
naruto's one of the best moves are clones.i would say it goes fo itachi too,well u say he won't have enough chakra to use them non stop,ok.
then make one body blind with whatever jutsu-grand fireball,it doesn't matter
and take the absorbing body down in hand-to-hand.the guy who beat in taijutsu sasuke in their last fight.sasuke who was equal to Lee at the chunnin exam and after trains with Oroch became better for sure.pwning this body hand-to-hand isn't problem.everybody say that this body absorb any justu.what about earth jutsu,he can just make a hit bodies legs with a ground.i can't see real problems with this body.
about god realm-here we can only make theories if chibaku tensei stronger or susanoo stronger,but will they use it?u don't have to be genius to understand how shinra tensei works,or at least itachi is capable to do it.
that move with shinra tensei then bansho tenin and stab with a sword won't work vs itachi.even kakashi was able to make a replacement with a clone while pain bansho tenin'ED him.if he does that-explosive clone bang and god realm pwned.the only options for pain will be defense until itachi finds a way to avoid shinra tensei and get him,the other running and chibaku tensei.
the question is will they resort to ultimate jutsu's or won't one of them(in my opinion god realm) be killed before using it?
and how can u be sure that chibaku tensei beats susanoo?u talk big,bash everybody whose vote went for itachi with ur irony about fanboys like they are beatles fan girls and go crazy with itachi just like those girls.i would say ur talks are too self-confident.
i'll repeat we don't know what chibaku or susanoo would win.if it was for me to decide i would say susanoo.that's why i said itachi>pain.i don't want to talk much about susanoo u can read about it in previous posts.
nagato himself still hasn't shown that he is strong without 6 paths.
if he himself can do any great move than may be i'll change my mind.

 

[peaceful]

Hey why do you keep arguing. Preta and i have already covered it. Itachi loses to Pain just because Pain is the worst enemy for Itachi. Hell, Itachi would defeat anyone one on one. But because of Pains extraterrestial stamina and huge capacity of chakra i doubt an ill Itachi could defeat Pain. However a healthy Itachi would just rape Pain. But i doubt Kishi would have ever showed us a healthy Itachi. The only one who would be the most decent counter to Pain is Orochimaru.

 

[almasyan]

Hey why do you keep arguing. Preta and i have already covered it. Itachi loses to Pain just because Pain is the worst enemy for Itachi. Hell, Itachi would defeat anyone one on one. But because of Pains extraterrestial stamina and huge capacity of chakra i doubt an ill Itachi could defeat Pain. However a healthy Itachi would just rape Pain. But i doubt Kishi would have ever showed us a healthy Itachi. The only one who would be the most decent counter to Pain is Orochimaru.

"pain is the worst opponent for itachi,but healthy itachi would rape him."
man i've covered the way i see this fight also.what i understood from Preta's posts that this thread isn't worth discussing.there was nothing about illness or health.

 

[peaceful]

"pain is the worst opponent for itachi,but healthy itachi would rape him."
man i've covered the way i see this fight also.what i understood from Preta's posts that this thread isn't worth discussing.there was nothing about illness or health.

Let's see why you did not cover it:

for example genjutsu.okay here was said that it won't effect pein but j-man's worked so why genjutsu of the best genjutsu user in naruto universe won't work?

Because the genjutsu that Jiraya used does not need eye contact like Tsukuyomi.

let's say it works.

No. We will not say anything. If that was the case then let's say that Pain killed Itachi while he was sleeping. My point is that Itachi would not have been able to affect Pain.

being in Tsukuyomi for 1 sec is enough to be killed-is that ok?remember kakashi's fight-he wondered y itachi didn't kill him.

True. But read above or my previous post.

ok this bodies are corpes they can't be killed like this..ok.once a body tries to attack itachi he trapes it a genjutsu and kills with a kunai or whatever.even his explosive bunshin will be enough.

-facepalm- There are six bodies. One can summon and the other one can revive. Itachi managing to kill these bodies with kunais is unbelievable.

4 of those bodies are out for sure.they are no match.

So you call this unbiased statement. OMG...

only absorbing body and god realm can cause troubles.once he kills body with summons-no summons.

How will he kill it again?

pain can't recognize where is the real one and where is a clone.

How about defeating both of them?

demon realm and those trash 3 bodies all can be destroyed by explosive clones.

And you say you are not a fan?

remember itachi's speed of hand seals-even in a fight with sasuke who is pretty strong he made a clone while blocking sasuke's attack,kakashi's team vs itachi is an anime example.

Remeber that he was fighting only one enemy ata time?

now 2vs1

naruto's one of the best moves are clones.i would say it goes fo itachi too,well u say he won't have enough chakra to use them non stop,ok.
then make one body blind with whatever jutsu-grand fireball,it doesn't matter
and take the absorbing body down in hand-to-hand.

Ah i understand now. You compare Itachi with a standing still Pain. OK

the guy who beat in taijutsu sasuke in their last fight.sasuke who was equal to Lee at the chunnin exam and after trains with Oroch became better for sure.pwning this body hand-to-hand isn't problem.

And how do you know that Lee or Sasuke is stronger or on par with the body? And why do you compare each time only one body with Itachi?

everybody say that this body absorb any justu.what about earth jutsu,he can just make a hit bodies legs with a ground.i can't see real problems with this body.

Does Itachi have earth jutsu?

about god realm-here we can only make theories if chibaku tensei stronger or susanoo stronger,but will they use it?u don't have to be genius to understand how shinra tensei works,or at least itachi is capable to do it.
that move with shinra tensei then bansho tenin and stab with a sword won't work vs itachi.even kakashi was able to make a replacement with a clone while pain bansho tenin'ED him.if he does that-explosive clone bang and god realm pwned.the only options for pain will be defense until itachi finds a way to avoid shinra tensei and get him,the other running and chibaku tensei.
the question is will they resort to ultimate jutsu's or won't one of them(in my opinion god realm) be killed before using it?

No. Chibaku tensei and Itachi is dead. The problem with that is that Itachi would have been killed long before Pain would have used chibaku...

and how can u be sure that chibaku tensei beats susanoo?u talk big,bash everybody whose vote went for itachi with ur irony about fanboys like they are beatles fan girls and go crazy with itachi just like those girls.i would say ur talks are too self-confident.

There is a body who can absorb chakra?

 

[almasyan]

Let's see why you did not cover it:

Because the genjutsu that Jiraya used does not need eye contact like Tsukuyomi.

No. We will not say anything. If that was the case then let's say that Pain killed Itachi while he was sleeping. My point is that Itachi would not have been able to affect Pain.

True. But read above or my previous post.

-facepalm- There are six bodies. One can summon and the other one can revive. Itachi managing to kill these bodies with kunais is unbelievable.

So you call this unbiased statement. OMG...

How will he kill it again?

How about defeating both of them?

And you say you are not a fan?

Remeber that he was fighting only one enemy ata time?



Ah i understand now. You compare Itachi with a standing still Pain. OK

And how do you know that Lee or Sasuke is stronger or on par with the body? And why do you compare each time only one body with Itachi?

Does Itachi have earth jutsu?



No. Chibaku tensei and Itachi is dead. The problem with that is that Itachi would have been killed long before Pain would have used chibaku...

There is a body who can absorb chakra?

ok let's do it.first itachi's genjutsu doesn't need eyecontact,he trapped naruto with just mere finger.so for the second time let's think that it will work on pain,so the fact about 1 sec in genjutsu still works.
The fact that konohamaru destroyed a reviving body with a little rasengan is trully believable and itachi with a kunai or whatever(i missed word jutsu that's my bad,fire jutsu for example) while it's trapped is unbelievable Oo.summoning body couldn't even jump to avoid rasenshuriken and u can compare it to itachi or even itachi's clone?i'm not a fan,i just hate to be wrong,that's why i protect my position.there wasn't a single post which made clear pain's victory.i still think that 4 of the bodies are trash even fightning at a same time.yep itachi has earth,water and fire.water from first fight with kakashi,earth from the second(when naruto got free from illusion he hit itachi with earth jutsu.)chibaku vs susanoo i'll go with susanoo.and the last chakra absorbing body-how does it go with fanboys/girls.
P.S. i missed one with the taijutsu.i simply compared him to Lee cause he is the master of hand-to-hand combat and sasuke copied all his moves.i think it quiet logical to compare this body to the one who's one of the best in taijutsu.

 

[Nameer]

Let's see why you did not cover it:
ok let's do it.first itachi's genjutsu doesn't need eyecontact,he trapped naruto with just mere finger.so for the second time let's think that it will work on pain,so the fact about 1 sec in genjutsu still works.
The fact that konohamaru destroyed a reviving body with a little rasengan is trully believable and itachi with a kunai or whatever(i missed word jutsu that's my bad,fire jutsu for example) while it's trapped is unbelievable Oo.summoning body couldn't even jump to avoid rasenshuriken and u can compare it to itachi or even itachi's clone?i'm not a fan,i just hate to be wrong,that's why i protect my position.there wasn't a single post which made clear pain's victory.i still think that 4 of the bodies are trash even fightning at a same time.yep itachi has earth,water and fire.water from first fight with kakashi,earth from the second(when naruto got free from illusion he hit itachi with earth jutsu.)chibaku vs susanoo i'll go with susanoo.and the last chakra absorbing body-how does it go with fanboys/girls.

Itachi didn't has Earth Element and he used Fire element (Grand Fireball jutsu) against Kakashi team not Earth jutsu

 

[rhin0]

i think itachi may have a better chance then most against pain but it seems unlikely that the person with the greatest of the three eye technics ( rinnegan) would lose to the mere sharingan. I'd like to see a comparison of there eye tech. in a thread.

lets compare which jutsu from there kekki genki are actually the most useful against eachother. For all we know pain may be immune to the basic sharigan attacks....

im gonna have to go with pain

 

[rhin0]

I like how you say, "Oh really," as if you've made a grand counter or something.

When did I ever talk about the "why" of Itachi coming to Konoha after the thirds death? I simply outlined that Itachi has proven to be more than willing to kill ninja from Konoha to further his cover, so saying he lied about not being able to kill J-man because he didn't want to kill him was...just plain silly.

Thanks for answering the way you did though. I was waiting for something so ironic. I tell you that you can't pick and choose what to believe in the manga based on the characters you like, and you respond by...telling me to read the manga!? Couldn't I just decide what Tobi's story really means for myself like you seem to do?? Thanks =)

!!! your reply intrigues me. i like the way you handle yourself, well done sir!

 

[almasyan]

Itachi didn't has Earth Element and he used Fire element (Grand Fireball jutsu) against Kakashi team not Earth jutsu

i meant this one.

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at 3:45 but i checked manga to be sure and there's no actual sign of itachi using earth.

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[almasyan]

i think itachi may have a better chance then most against pain but it seems unlikely that the person with the greatest of the three eye technics ( rinnegan) would lose to the mere sharingan. I'd like to see a comparison of there eye tech. in a thread.

lets compare which jutsu from there kekki genki are actually the most useful against eachother. For all we know pain may be immune to the basic sharigan attacks....

im gonna have to go with pain

i just want to correct u- MS isn't a mere sharingan(still only 5 ppl achieved it).but yep rinnegan is said to be greatest that's true.

 

[Preta]

Not trying to be rude or a grammar *****, but it is very hard to read what you write. Could you toss in atleast a few line breaks between ideas to make it a little easier to respond?

Let's see why you did not cover it:
ok let's do it.first itachi's genjutsu doesn't need eyecontact,he trapped naruto with just mere finger.so for the second time let's think that it will work on pain,so the fact about 1 sec in genjutsu still works.

Ok let's do it. The genjutsu he used on Naruto was a basic illusionary technique, not a sharingan eye technique. Naruto was a genin level ninja at the time...Such a basic technique would obviously not work on pain, so Itachi would need high level eye techniques. First, the genjutsu J-man used was not an eye technique, we can't be sure if eye techniques even work on a Rinnegan user, my guess would be no. Yet even if they do, again he can not trap 6 bodies at once and each body is manuevered individually. Pain is the antithesis of any genjutsu user because of his 6 paths, I don't now why you are trying to act as if Itachi's genjutsu would be of any use..

The fact that konohamaru destroyed a reviving body with a little rasengan is trully believable and itachi with a kunai or whatever(i missed word jutsu that's my bad,fire jutsu for example) while it's trapped is unbelievable Oo.summoning body couldn't even jump to avoid rasenshuriken and u can compare it to itachi or even itachi's clone?

Pain put little effort into defending those bodies because he simply planned to and did revive them. Just as he did with the first three against J-man. You saw how J-man handled 3 bodies and then how quickly all 6 stomped him. I'm not saying itachi couldn't take each body 1v1...the issue is that the fight would never be 1v1 as it seems to be in your examples. Individualy Pains paths are quite vunerable except for deva. However that is because they all specialize in something and are weak elsewhere, when they are all together it is like voltron from hell. This fight would be 6v1 and when teamed they have basically no weakness.

i'm not a fan,i just hate to be wrong,that's why i protect my position.there wasn't a single post which made clear pain's victory.i still think that 4 of the bodies are trash even fightning at a same time.

Then you must think j-man was a trash ninja to be beaten so easily by those trash bodies? And how trashy are ninja like kakashi who lost to only 2 out of 6bodies? Or naruto who needed 8 tails just to fight one body?? Don't forget that the only time anyone fought well against the 6 bodies when they were all together was naruto when the most powerful body was recharging chakra..or those attacks would've been reflected and imagine the battle then? You have an interesting deifinition of trash.

yep itachi has earth,water and fire.water from first fight with kakashi,earth from the second(when naruto got free from illusion he hit itachi with earth jutsu.)chibaku vs susanoo i'll go with susanoo.and the last chakra absorbing body-how does it go with fanboys/girls.

I'm glad you'll go with Susanno, and what about Susanno vs whatever the hell pain Summoned in the latest manga? I like how you say that fat man cannot absorb an earth technique because the ground would cave around him...yet the most powerful of such a technique(chibaku) that would pull up the ground and trap Itachi and Susanno you dismiss? Is there a disconnect?

P.S. i missed one with the taijutsu.i simply compared him to Lee cause he is the master of hand-to-hand combat and sasuke copied all his moves.i think it quiet logical to compare this body to the one who's one of the best in taijutsu.

Those are 6 s-class ninjas and you think Itachi will take all 6 in hand to hand at the same time? Let alone the body that specializes in it? You're free to your opinion...but fighting the 6 paths of pain with taijutsu? my god lets just get Gai in here to smoke pain, right?

I Think itachi was a great character, I think he was an amazing ninja, I think that he would hassle anyone 1v1. I think when speaking of balance, Pain is a machine designed to counter nothing as hard as he counters a heavy genjutsu user like Itachi. It is just a bad--if not the absolute worst--opponent for Itachi. You never fight a genjutsu user 1v1: Pain is never alone, infact he is not even in the usual 3/4 man cell...he's in a 6 man cell of perfect teammwork and ultimate 360 degree communication, good luck.

 

[almasyan]

Not trying to be rude or a grammar *****, but it is very hard to read what you write. Could you toss in atleast a few line breaks between ideas to make it a little easier to respond?

ok sorry.

Ok let's do it. The genjutsu he used on Naruto was a basic illusionary technique, not a sharingan eye technique. Naruto was a genin level ninja at the time...Such a basic technique would obviously not work on pain, so Itachi would need high level eye techniques. First, the genjutsu J-man used was not an eye technique, we can't be sure if eye techniques even work on a Rinnegan user, my guess would be no. Yet even if they do, again he can not trap 6 bodies at once and each body is manuevered individually. Pain is the antithesis of any genjutsu user because of his 6 paths, I don't now why you are trying to act as if Itachi's genjutsu would be of any use..

i didn't say that he can trap them all at once.i just tried to construct a situation where itachi disables one of them so that he could get rid of it.like absorbing body tries to hit him,so it's really close to him,he disables it for a sec,for ninja at a short range it should be easy to pwn a target.that's what i believe in.but here we are opposite in if itachi's genjutsu would work or not.it just has to work for sec in such situation,i think even pain would need some time to get out from even basic illusion.

Pain put little effort into defending those bodies because he simply planned to and did revive them. Just as he did with the first three against J-man. You saw how J-man handled 3 bodies and then how quickly all 6 stomped him. I'm not saying itachi couldn't take each body 1v1...the issue is that the fight would never be 1v1 as it seems to be in your examples. Individualy Pains paths are quite vunerable except for deva. However that is because they all specialize in something and are weak elsewhere, when they are all together it is like voltron from hell. This fight would be 6v1 and when teamed they have basically no weakness.

well u know,when pain fought naruto he tried to protect reviving body,putting little effort into defending it when he fought ibisu/konohamaru and other shinobies seems strange for me,u said it that when the bodies are alone they are vunarable.i agree about other bodies but a reviving one?yes they look invunarable.but with itachi's speed of hand seals clones can be the answer to 6 bodies.but ofc they take a lot of chakra.

Then you must think j-man was a trash ninja to be beaten so easily by those trash bodies? And how trashy are ninja like kakashi who lost to only 2 out of 6bodies? Or naruto who needed 8 tails just to fight one body?? Don't forget that the only time anyone fought well against the 6 bodies when they were all together was naruto when the most powerful body was recharging chakra..or those attacks would've been reflected and imagine the battle then? You have an interesting deifinition of trash.

U interprated my ideas wrong.j-man lost to 6 bodies at once-even though it was demon realm who left j-man without his arm,it was just too unexpected.and all 6 stabbed him.he took 3 of 6 with just a little planning what to do,and how to disable them.he needed 1 clone/1 fire jutsu/1 earth justsu/illusion- is that really much for 3 opponents?
kakashi lost to god realm with demon realm.did i mention god realm to be a trash body?
fight vs 6 bodies is tough ofc.

I'm glad you'll go with Susanno, and what about Susanno vs whatever the hell pain Summoned in the latest manga? I like how you say that fat man cannot absorb an earth technique because the ground would cave around him...yet the most powerful of such a technique(chibaku) that would pull up the ground and trap Itachi and Susanno you dismiss? Is there a disconnect?

chibaku got trapped susanoo.itachi is alive cause he is protected by it(mirror or what kind of shield is there?).and then sword.what about it?any sword is supposed to slice/ cut through.cutting through ground looks not that difficult.
that's nagato himself,i liked the latest manga. this wtf summoning is the statue for tailed beasts.that's badass for sure.susanoo and this WTF both spiritual energies,i dunno what can happen during it's fighting.may be it can be blocked by susanoo may be not/may be it can be sealed with tatsuka sword may be not-i think it can but will he be able to stab it?i just dunno

Those are 6 s-class ninjas and you think Itachi will take all 6 in hand to hand at the same time? Let alone the body that specializes in it? You're free to your opinion...but fighting the 6 paths of pain with taijutsu? my god lets just get Gai in here to smoke pain, right?

god...guess it's my bad that u don't understand what i say.i compared itachi/lee/sasuke/ and ABSORBING BODY in taijutsu.

I Think itachi was a great character, I think he was an amazing ninja, I think that he would hassle anyone 1v1. I think when speaking of balance, Pain is a machine designed to counter nothing as hard as he counters a heavy genjutsu user like Itachi. It is just a bad--if not the absolute worst--opponent for Itachi. You never fight a genjutsu user 1v1: Pain is never alone, infact he is not even in the usual 3/4 man cell...he's in a 6 man cell of perfect teammwork and ultimate 360 degree communication, good luck.

they both are damn strong.i think it will end this argue.

 

[Preta]

ok sorry.
i didn't say that he can trap them all at once.i just tried to construct a situation where itachi disables one of them so that he could get rid of it.like absorbing body tries to hit him,so it's really close to him,he disables it for a sec,for ninja at a short range it should be easy to pwn a target.that's what i believe in.but here we are opposite in if itachi's genjutsu would work or not.it just has to work for sec in such situation,i think even pain would need some time to get out from even basic illusion.

Well there are a few issues. fat man is almost always kept long range by pain because he is weak in taijutsu but strong against all ninjutsu. To get him 1v1 Itachi would need to cut through summons, human path, and Asura path. Not to mention what the other paths are doing at the time. He is not going to get a 1v1 situation against pain, it doesn't happen with all 6 paths present. And even if one body is trapped for a second in genjutsu, that is 1 sec of Itachi using the technique and that is 1 sec of Itachi being completely vunerable as he has no teammate for cover or warning.

well u know,when pain fought naruto he tried to protect reviving body,putting little effort into defending it when he fought ibisu/konohamaru and other shinobies seems strange for me,u said it that when the bodies are alone they are vunarable.i agree about other bodies but a reviving one?yes they look invunarable.but with itachi's speed of hand seals clones can be the answer to 6 bodies.but ofc they take a lot of chakra.

When Pain and naruto fought the most powerful realm and best defensive realm was out of chakra and could not do anything, that's a terrible example to look at. Basically what you're saying is that clones are going to kill ninja of that level? Not-- in-- a-- million-- years. Has a clone ever killed a high level ninja in this manga..ever? Clones get scratched and go poof, it is not realistic for a clone to ever match an actual ninja in battle. If it worked that way then the best shinobi would just make 5 clones and 5 man everyone...

U interprated my ideas wrong.j-man lost to 6 bodies at once-even though it was demon realm who left j-man without his arm,it was just too unexpected.and all 6 stabbed him.he took 3 of 6 with just a little planning what to do,and how to disable them.he needed 1 clone/1 fire jutsu/1 earth justsu/illusion- is that really much for 3 opponents?
kakashi lost to god realm with demon realm.did i mention god realm to be a trash body?
fight vs 6 bodies is tough ofc.

He used an incredibly powerful genjutsu that does not need eye contact to take the three, they were the three weakest paths and had no cover from the other 6. He was helpless against the 6 at once. They cover all their weakpoints when they are together, Itachi is not fighting 3 or 1 or 2, he is fighting all 6, it is a whole different level.

chibaku got trapped susanoo.itachi is alive cause he is protected by it(mirror or what kind of shield is there?).and then sword.what about it?any sword is supposed to slice/ cut through.cutting through ground looks not that difficult.
that's nagato himself,i liked the latest manga. this wtf summoning is the statue for tailed beasts.that's badass for sure.susanoo and this WTF both spiritual energies,i dunno what can happen during it's fighting.may be it can be blocked by susanoo may be not/may be it can be sealed with tatsuka sword may be not-i think it can but will he be able to stab it?i just dunno

Chibaku crushes you, naruto survived only because he was at 8 tails. You are saying Susanno would protect Itachi, but Susanno defends him against ninjutsu attacks..you think he will hide behind the mirror or something while ground and rocks crush him? ground and rocks are not ninjutsu attacks. Chibaku is an indirect attack, and this again is a perfect example of how Pain completely counters itachi. I won't even go into pain's latest summon, he wouldn't need it.

god...guess it's my bad that u don't understand what i say.i compared itachi/lee/sasuke/ and ABSORBING BODY in taijutsu.

I was giving you the benefit of the dount. You are once again doing 1v1 scenarios in a 6v1 fight. Itachi vs fat man in taijutsu doesn't matter because it is never going to be Itachi vs fat man long enough for them to have such a showdown....

 

[almasyan]

Well there are a few issues. fat man is almost always kept long range by pain because he is weak in taijutsu but strong against all ninjutsu. To get him 1v1 Itachi would need to cut through summons, human path, and Asura path. Not to mention what the other paths are doing at the time. He is not going to get a 1v1 situation against pain, it doesn't happen with all 6 paths present. And even if one body is trapped for a second in genjutsu, that is 1 sec of Itachi using the technique and that is 1 sec of Itachi being completely vunerable as he has no teammate for cover or warning.

that's not true.pain uses fat man as soon as smbdy tries to hit bodies with jutsu.that was in the fight vs jman.and when he fought naruto fat pain was the second to fight right after summoning body.sasuke used manda like a pet with his sharingan,madara used ninetailes.the fact that the summons are stabbed with chakra recievers doesn't mean that thay can't be taken under control.

When Pain and naruto fought the most powerful realm and best defensive realm was out of chakra and could not do anything, that's a terrible example to look at. Basically what you're saying is that clones are going to kill ninja of that level? Not-- in-- a-- million-- years. Has a clone ever killed a high level ninja in this manga..ever? Clones get scratched and go poof, it is not realistic for a clone to ever match an actual ninja in battle. If it worked that way then the best shinobi would just make 5 clones and 5 man everyone...

no way a clone will take down a real ninja.explosives cloneS will make a lot of troubles and cause serious damage to pain's bodies.

He used an incredibly powerful genjutsu that does not need eye contact to take the three, they were the three weakest paths and had no cover from the other 6. He was helpless against the 6 at once. They cover all their weakpoints when they are together, Itachi is not fighting 3 or 1 or 2, he is fighting all 6, it is a whole different level.

man can u see real difference between using jman's illusion on 3 or on 6 bodies at once?if pain was fightning with all six at once they all would be trapped in genjutsu and "killed" .

Chibaku crushes you, naruto survived only because he was at 8 tails. You are saying Susanno would protect Itachi, but Susanno defends him against ninjutsu attacks..you think he will hide behind the mirror or something while ground and rocks crush him? ground and rocks are not ninjutsu attacks. Chibaku is an indirect attack, and this again is a perfect example of how Pain completely counters itachi. I won't even go into pain's latest summon, he wouldn't need it.

susanno protected itachi from hydra's attacks,from explosive tags and kunais.they are sure a ninjutsu type of attacks

I was giving you the benefit of the dount. You are once again doing 1v1 scenarios in a 6v1 fight. Itachi vs fat man in taijutsu doesn't matter because it is never going to be Itachi vs fat man long enough for them to have such a showdown....

it's like i'm saying it for the third or forth time.they all fight,all six of them vs itachi.this fat guy comes close,got trapped-R.I.P.'ed.ussually there are bodies who watch out and the one who is fightning.even if they attack.wtf, afterhaving trapped one body it won't even take a sec for itachi to use jutsu.
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at 2:12.this is a slown down video so that we could see that itachi managed to make hand seals while kunais were flying near his head,he was dodjing them at the same time.


P.S.i've really got sick of this thread.from here now i stop this arguing.u were close to changing my mind,but still there were mistakes in what u said.
for me it's like itachi has 51% to win and pain 49%

 

[peaceful]

Seriously now the only way for Itachi defeating Pain would have been Susanoo. The only problem with that is that fat Pain can absorb chakra...

 

[almasyan]

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[almasyan]

Seriously now the only way for Itachi defeating Pain would have been Susanoo. The only problem with that is that fat Pain can absorb chakra...

man u've ruined ur previous posts with ur new theory

 

[Preta]

man u've ruined ur previous posts with ur new theory

Not really. The simple fact remains that if Itachi had a Justu that could kill anyone, including Pain and madara, he would have done so; as they were the biggest threat to the two most important things in his life, Konoha and Sasuke.

Every Jutsu has a counter and Itachi was no fool, there was a reason he did not --could not-- attack either of them.
I have some info from the data book about Pain below, clearly this info did not turn out to be 100% accurate, yet it was there. You need to realize that for a story to be exciting, every superman must have his Kryptonite, every jutsu we have ever seen has had a counter, Susanno is no different. If Sussano is unstoppable then Pain is apparently an unkillable god. Also note that each data book only reveals as far as the manga has gone and an immortal in the data book one week can be dead in the manga the next.

~~Info on Pain from Naruto Databook 2~~
-People will know pain. Nations will know pain. The world will know pain!!

-The shinobi who bears the eyes of the Six Paths. The God born of conflict.<<< Pain is a god?

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-His Divine Will is like a sword, for grand is His desire...

-The deeds of God will taint even the darkest of nights in a bloody red.<<<God again?

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-Invincibility, as befits a God. And a mountain of mysteries behind it.<<<Pain is Invincible? Didn't they say the same thing about Susanno..hmm?

[Unkillable]
No matter the kind of jutsu employed, a God cannot be killed. Unkillable, thus invincible... The one Path who made it into the kekkai space suspended all activity, but it is unclear if he died or not.<<<This sounds familiar...Unkillable in the same way as Susanno..hmm?

Take from it what you will, but the point is obvious. Sorry to dissapoint all the Itachi fans. =(