Itachi vs Pain
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shaolinchad
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i made this thread with the poll so that we could see what people think in numerals.still itachi wins,it means smth i guess.
i'm not the one who thinks susanoo > hole world
(that's for roflcopter)
there hasn't been a single post which makes pein's victory clear.
i'm not the one who thinks susanoo > hole world
(that's for roflcopter)there hasn't been a single post which makes pein's victory clear.
Ah posts like these make me put some effort in useless threads. Never mind. Since Tobi asked it so tactfully i will state my opinion.
First of all. Before we come to a conclusion we have to consider when would the fight take place and what the conditions would be. So, seeing the posts untill now it seems to me you compare the Itachi who fought Sasuke and the Pain who fought Naruto. So for arguments sake i will compare these two ninjas at the level you compared them untill now.
Now, we have to consider the place and the scenery they would fight. In an open area, Pain would have the advantage because of his raw and destructive powers. In a dense forest Itachi would have the advantage because of his excellency in hiding and assasinating. So, taking into consideration these facts i believe the place should be something neutral, like the place that Naruto and Sasuke fought in part 1.
Still we have to consider, if the fight would have been arranged or if it would have been a fortuitous event. If it would not be arranged, Itachi would have destroyed Pain with his Amaterasu. But again lets say it was arranged.
So we have: Itachi and Pain as we last saw them, in a neutral place, and with the fight being arranged.
Ok: If Tsukoyomi affects one of the bodies Pain and Nagato is dead. The only problem with this is that the body that Itachi looks can turn his face the other way because of the Rinnegan. Nagato being an experienced fighter would avoid very easily Tsukoyomi. Only by a mistake would Pain be affected by the deadly genjutsu.
Next we have: Amaterasu. If we take into consideration the fact that we compare an ill Itachi with Pain, then 2 uses of Amaterasu would be the max for him. If Itachi can be flawless with his aim then Pain would lose. However i doubt that 6 jounin level bodies would allow him to take his time with his shot. Itachi would have to defend, run, and aim at the same time the proper bodies at the proper time at the proper array. So forget Amaterasu.
Finally we have Susanoo. Now if Itachi manages to summon Susanoo and stab the bodies before Pain moves then Itachi is the winner. However if Itachi does not manage to summon it in time and seal the bodies then the fat Pain would just absorb Susanoo, if we take into consideration the fact that Susanno is chakra.
Summing up, an ill Itachi at an arranged and all out battle would just lose because of his weak stamina.
However a healthy Itachi would just rape Pain.
I haven't noticed that you have replied me
what I mean is eyesight became bad for good not after using strong jutsu (every strong jutsu exhausted the user).
What I mean is Pain will be hit by it without having the time to defend himself
as I said before Itachi isn't stupid
No,he will try to face it by any mean,I think he will depend on summoning against Susanoo till he find a weak spot,till now we don't know any weakness for Susanoo but I predict that we will find a weakness for Susanoo in the fight between Naruto and Saskue (because Saskue has itachi's powers which are Amaterasu,Tsukuyomi and presumably Susanoo).erm i kno this
No,Kakashi when he got Mangekyo Sharingan he understand that if keep relying on it he will lose his eyesight that's why he asked Itachi about how much his eyesight became bad.
Yes that's happen but that the side effect after using Tsukuyomi and the time for side effect is moments not for long time just like kakashi after he used his Mangekyo Sharingan jutsu "Kamui"
what I mean is eyesight became bad for good not after using strong jutsu (every strong jutsu exhausted the user).
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That`s why I use "is" !!!
Ametarasu IS ninjutsu and tsukuyomi IS genjutsu . They ARE ninjutsus. couse jutsu=art and ninjutsu =art of ninja. Genjutsu is art of ninja so its genjutsu. and genjutsu is type of ninjutsu. More questions ???
roflcopter
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lole lololololl ololee Sharingan is Byakugan cuz gan = eye and they both belong to ninjas. Means they're eyes of the ninjas with special powers means they're the same !
It`s not the same !!!
genjutsu is type of ninjutsu but ninjutsu it`s not genjutsu.
Sharingan comes from Byakugan . They are close but not the same !
I want to say that ninjutsu has (4)subtypes : Ninjutsu (it self) , genjutsu , taijutsu and doujutsu.
roflcopter
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Phnm is actually correct in his wording, but you guys are correct aswell, in other words, you're arguing in circles. Either way of wording it works. It is a technique used by ninja, and therefore it is technically "ninjutsu." Genjutsu is a specific type of ninjutsu, but still ninjutsu.
When the sage of the Six paths created "ninjutsu," does that mean he created no hand to hand or eye techniques?? Of course not, he created "ninjutsu" which encompasses all ninja techniques.
You're getting confused because some techniques are also considered specifally "ninjutsu" rather than taijutsu or genjutsu, but that simply means they are general chakra using techniques defined by their parent term. They have no special or specific aspect that seperates them from other techniques. Genjutsu and taijutsu are more specific and therefore can be defined more specifically, but that does not change the fact that they are also part of the broader art of "ninjutsu," and it is perfectly fine to refer to them as ninjutsu, though slighty less informative to do so.
P.S. Pain would handle itachi rather easily...this is a silly thread.
When the sage of the Six paths created "ninjutsu," does that mean he created no hand to hand or eye techniques?? Of course not, he created "ninjutsu" which encompasses all ninja techniques.
You're getting confused because some techniques are also considered specifally "ninjutsu" rather than taijutsu or genjutsu, but that simply means they are general chakra using techniques defined by their parent term. They have no special or specific aspect that seperates them from other techniques. Genjutsu and taijutsu are more specific and therefore can be defined more specifically, but that does not change the fact that they are also part of the broader art of "ninjutsu," and it is perfectly fine to refer to them as ninjutsu, though slighty less informative to do so.
P.S. Pain would handle itachi rather easily...this is a silly thread.
a thousand years of death
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who do i like more? itachi.
who is cooler? itachi
but who would win in a fight? pein
they are both cool but itachi ftw. cept pein is stronger
who is cooler? itachi
but who would win in a fight? pein
they are both cool but itachi ftw. cept pein is stronger
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evidence. itachi said jiraiya was far too strong for him. pein said if jiraiya knew peins secret then pein would loose. but jiraiya wasnt out of peins league. id say about equal for them.
I didn't "provide proof," because the outcome is frightfully obvious and the only people who would demand "proof" are no doubt Itachi fanboys who could not be convinced even if Kishi himself said their hero would not win....
Allow me to waste my time anyway
-- Itachi's best techniques and what sets him apart from other shinobi are of course, his eye techniques with the sharingan. Most of these are genjutsu and that is no doubt the field he likes to play in and where his greatest advantage lies.Pain is immune to such techniques. The rinnegan is partly responsible, but most important is how pain completely counters ALL Itachi's eye techniques simply by being 6 in 1. Itachi cannot lock 6 people at once in a Tsukuyomi, even if he catches one, the other 5 are on him. The 6 bodies also share sight, meaning the body Itachi is trapping can look away but the other 5 can keep looking at him and tell the 6th what he is doing. Pain would be hell for Itachi, he is built completely and entirely to counter a ninja like Itachi because of his 6 paths jutsu. Remember Kakashi's whole speech about, "don't fight a genjutsu user 1v1, run away, they have the advantage. But fight them in a group of 2v1 or more and you have it." Well how about 6v1? I thought so.There would be no one worse for Itachi to fight.
So Itachi can not use his bread and butter of eye techniques. Well let's be honest, after genjutsu, Itachi is pretty basic with 2 special moves thrown in and that's about it. Pain of course does not even use much genjutsu--if any--so now that genjutsu is out of the picture i think the outcome is all that much more obvious...but of course some fans disagree. =)
So basically this is where the hilarity starts. Obviously Itachi is not going to take on 6 s-class ninja in hand to hand combat and win(lol) so it basically becomes the 6 paths of pain and their countless insane jutsu vs....amaterasu and susanno....wow. Maybe you see why some people can't take fanboys opinions seriously?
So somehow you have a ninja with 2 techniques beating 6 ninja with inumerable techniques? Ok sure, that seems fine. However again, amaterasu should be out of the picture, pain can absorb it, push it back or simply 5v1 Itachi while he "aims" it at one of the bodies; again, pains numbers make such a technique purely laughable when looked at objectively.
So this is where the itachi fans find their final harbor.....Susanno. Now of course, Susanno could simply be trapped by Chibaku tensei, could be absorbed by fat man, or avoided till Itachi kills himself.
I have to ask...are you serious? Do you actually put your feelings aside when arguing this? Because quite frankly, realistically, this fight comes down to 6 paths of pain and all their Jutsu vs Itachi and one justu. it's just stupid, I'm sorry, I like Itachi aswell, but the argument is "silly."
I said it before, I'll say it again: pain is the worst opponent Itachi could possibly face in this manga so far. 1v1 Itachi would give anyone hell, even ninja like madara and the 4th, I truly believe that. But because of how pain fights, he simply counters Itachi's main techniques completely. This is just a no win situation.
You can't just decide what is a lie in the manga because it makes you feel better....If you start to do that then you can decide anything is a lie and then reading it at all just becomes stupid, you may aswell write your own version. Itachi killed his entire clan for Konoha, he killed countless Konoha ninja to maintain his cover, tried to kill Kakashi ect...Itachi was ordered to get deeper into Akatsuki and he was willing to do anything to maintain and further his cover--including--killing J-man, just like he had other Konoha shinobi. He was not lieing, he had no reason to. But by all means, keep deciding what you want to believe in the manga and what you dont...
Oh really,then you should re-read the manga
His purpose when he came to Konaha is to remind the Elders and Danzo after The 3rd Death that he still alive (in order to protect Saskue) not about Naruto as we all know that Naruto is the last one needed to be sealed.
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