Itachi vs. Jiraiya (Sharingan only)

[Natsu is legendary]

Itachi

 

[~MC117~]

Please enlighten me on what he does against a paralysis genjutsu followed by a kunai to the head at the beggining :|

Basically the same thing he did to oro, That Made oro realize A 13 YEAR OLD BOY was stronger than him


And it's already arguable that Oro is stronger than Jiraya.. But hey, abc logic doesn't work

I'd like to know what counter does Jiraya have to his genjutsu, when Jiraya himself has a 3 in genjutsu, meaning his skill and knowledge in it is low as naruto's overall intelligence

Jiraiya just doesn't have to look at his eyes. Would that work? but is that I just don't see how itachi will be able to beat jiraiya so easily like that.

 

[Tartarus]

Databook says itachi has 2.5 in stanima not chakra... He has 2.5 because he is plaugued with a sickness and can't last long in a fight.. That has NOTHING to do with his chakra levels

DB says that stamina stat=stamina or spiritual energy is the foundation of ones' chakra. Also Kimimaro was bedridden from his illlness yet still has a 4.5 in stamina so I don't think stats take external factors like illness into effect.

 

[LegendaryAce]

itachi > pervysage i dont undestand how itachi would die at all but that is just me

 

[Owarij]

DB says that stamina stat=stamina or spiritual energy is the foundation of ones' chakra. Also Kimimaro was bedridden from his illlness yet still has a 4.5 in stamina so I don't think stats take external factors like illness into effect.

Stanima Or Spiritual energy... Spirtual + Physical energy= Chakra..
A ninjas stanima would take into consideration their chakra amounts and how long they can last in a battle... I never said Itachi had really great chakra levels... But there are not that horrible as it is made out to be... In his fight with sasuke he actually used 3 or more amaterasu's,tsukyomi and more, and still didn't run out of chakra yet.. It was his sickness that killed him

Jiraiya just doesn't have to look at his eyes. Would that work? but is that I just don't see how itachi will be able to beat jiraiya so easily like that.

Unfortunately there is nothing in this manga that suggests he won't look into his eyes..
The two other sannins, orochimaru and tsunade have already looked into sharingan eyes, As well as numerous other kages, darui, shee, kakashi, asuma and so many others..

I want you to show me what in this manga is the basis for your assumption, and how do you even know jiraya is capable of fighting without eye contact properly

 

[Nikashu]

People keep stating that a sharingan user can only copy jutsu that they have an affinity of. Kakashi has been seen using suiton, raiton, and doton. Kakashi himself has also stated that high level jounin can use 2 different affinities. So, either the manga is wrong and the fans are right, Kakashi is a disgusting kakuzu like freak, or Sharingan can copy any jutsu regardless of its affinity. also, Orochimaru once said that he wanted the sharingan so he could learn all Ninjutsu. ALL. not some, depending on his affinities.

 

[Nikashu]

Stanima Or Spiritual energy... Spirtual + Physical energy= Chakra..
A ninjas stanima would take into consideration their chakra amounts and how long they can last in a battle... I never said Itachi had really great chakra levels... But there are not that horrible as it is made out to be... In his fight with sasuke he actually used 3 or more amaterasu's,tsukyomi and more, and still didn't run out of chakra yet.. It was his sickness that killed him


Unfortunately there is nothing in this manga that suggests he won't look into his eyes..
The two other sannins, orochimaru and tsunade have already looked into sharingan eyes, As well as numerous other kages, darui, shee, kakashi, asuma and so many others..

I want you to show me what in this manga is the basis for your assumption, and how do you even know jiraya is capable of fighting without eye contact properly

Too support that fact even more, Naruto looked into Itachi's ring and was still caught in a genjutsu. so, It isn't just the eyes you need to worry about

 

[EliteKakashi]

Unfortunately there is nothing in this manga that suggests he won't look into his eyes..
The two other sannins, orochimaru and tsunade have already looked into sharingan eyes, As well as numerous other kages, darui, shee, kakashi, asuma and so many others..

I want you to show me what in this manga is the basis for your assumption, and how do you even know jiraya is capable of fighting without eye contact properly

Gai states, and Kakashi in the fight in part 2, that the most effective way of fighting a sharingan user is not looking in to their eyes.

Now if Jiraiya knows that or not, I don't know. Most importantly, Gai stated that fighting based off the footwork of the opponent is the key.

Asuma and Kurenai(or one of the two) did state in part 1 that he was the only one capable(Gai, that is) of such. Maybe Kakashi is too now given Gai taught him, but I don't know.

Of course, Itachi has genjutsu that doesn't require eye contact, so meh.

 

[francois347]

I dont understand a lot of these people they go about saying use the manga a proof but you ignore the fact that it was kisame and not itachi that said they together would only = jiraiya.
Also jiraiya always starts a fight with a toad summon so that toad could distrupt any chakra flow and we have seen kurinai get out of itachis genjitsu very easily.
Jiraiya wins this fight with dificulties unless he goes sage mode then its one sound genjitsu and bye bye itachis with a stone sword in ur chest.

 

[Redd]

You just nerfed Itachi. Frog stomach FTW.

 

[Owarij]

Gai states, and Kakashi in the fight in part 2, that the most effective way of fighting a sharingan user is not looking in to their eyes.

Now if Jiraiya knows that or not, I don't know. Most importantly, Gai stated that fighting based off the footwork of the opponent is the key.

Asuma and Kurenai(or one of the two) did state in part 1 that he was the only one capable(Gai, that is) of such. Maybe Kakashi is too now given Gai taught him, but I don't know.

Of course, Itachi has genjutsu that doesn't require eye contact, so meh.

We can't know if he knows how to fight like that in the first place.... When orochimaru most likely knew yet didn't.. and he's the smartest one in the sannin group, and has a 5 in genjutsu..

Tsunade, also looked into madara's eyes..

Tell me , what is the argument for Jiraya's case.. 2/3 of the sannin all looked, as well as several other characters in the manga....

The ones who haven't looked, have faced uchiha genjtusu before... Onoki, chiyo, kakashi etc... They've learned from experience... Tsunade is what over 50 , and still didn't know what to do.. neither oro...

 

[Icelerate]

We can't know if he knows how to fight like that in the first place.... When orochimaru most likely knew yet didn't.. and he's the smartest one in the sannin group, and has a 5 in genjutsu..

Tsunade, also looked into madara's eyes..

Tell me , what is the argument for Jiraya's case.. 2/3 of the sannin all looked, as well as several other characters in the manga....

The ones who haven't looked, have faced uchiha genjtusu before... Onoki, chiyo, kakashi etc... They've learned from experience... Tsunade is what over 50 , and still didn't know what to do.. neither oro...

I think Tsunade is remember how the Sannin were compared to Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura? Sakura is smarter than Sasuke and Sakura=Tsunade and Sasuke=Orochimaru isn't that right?

 

[Joki]

It's stated in the manga and databook you go find it.

Itachi never beat Orochimaru with a one shot genjutsu really ?

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The only bullshit is that thing you call a brain dumbass you just lost all credit do us a favor log off your account make a new one and don't tell no one it's you.

Orochimaru didn't lose there...and he willingly let Itachi genjutsu him because he was using Fushi Tensei..why the hell do you use those scans as if Itachi really put Orochimaru out of the fight there? I'm the retarded one?

Both base Itachi and base Jiraiya have good feats. Itachi is not only using powerful Genjutsus, he is also using strong Ninjutsu, as an Uchiha he is known for having strong Katon-Techniques and can copy Jiraiyas, too. He is faster than Jiraiya by feats and according to the Databook and his usage of weapons is better by feats, too. Above he is smarter. Maybe base Itachi doesn't have a counter for any of Jiraiyas techniques, but only in the case if Jiraiya can use them before Itachi will use his techniques, for example paralyzing Genjutsus.

And if the talk is about Itachi with his Mangekyou Sharingan, Jiraiya doesn't have any chances of winning. Already Chikushodo gave him a tough fight and if Itachi will use his Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo above it is just common sense that Jiraiya won't stand a chance.

Yes, Jiraiya can make 1 handsign. Saying otherwise is retarded

We can't know if he knows how to fight like that in the first place.... When orochimaru most likely knew yet didn't.. and he's the smartest one in the sannin group, and has a 5 in genjutsu..

Tsunade, also looked into madara's eyes..

Tell me , what is the argument for Jiraya's case.. 2/3 of the sannin all looked, as well as several other characters in the manga....

The ones who haven't looked, have faced uchiha genjtusu before... Onoki, chiyo, kakashi etc... They've learned from experience... Tsunade is what over 50 , and still didn't know what to do.. neither oro...

@all of your other posts: :sy:
Just your friendly reminder at how moronic they sound to me that I'm not going to neg rep but am very very close

So I gave you a smiley instead lol

 

[Owarij]

and he willingly let Itachi genjutsu him because he was using Fushi Tensei

Yea, nothing in the manga what so ever backs that up, you're just assuming..

According to the databook there was a fight and Orochimaru suffered total defeat to Itachi...Infact, It was AFTER that defeat that orochimaru wanted an uchiha as a vessel

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You can't counter anything what so ever, so you throw threats of neg rep? oh sigh :sy:

 

[Joki]

Yea, nothing in the manga what so ever backs that up, you're just assuming..

According to the databook there was a fight and Orochimaru suffered total defeat to Itachi...Infact, It was AFTER that defeat that orochimaru wanted an uchiha as a vessel

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You can't counter anything what so ever, so you throw threats of neg rep? oh sigh :sy:

It is backed up because in a real fight situation Orochimaru would never walk up to Itachi and say "HURR HAI BRO WAS UP IMMA TAKE YR BODY LETS MAEK AI CONTACKED", and he in no way possibly was going to kill him there. I like how people think losing 1 hand is the equivalent to being 1 shot for Orochimaru when Oro's arms were ripped off on multiple occasions and he just regened, and he was chopped in half and came back together with ease

Ok, that fight there? No one ever said Orochimaru got one shot in that fight so you just proved the whole "hurr one shot" thing wrong because they had a fight. Oro lost sure, none of that "derp 1 paneled" bullshit though.


It wasn't a threat, I was letting you know how retarded your comment seemed to me but I'm not going to neg rep someone for disagreeing unless it's either unfathomably retarded or some justifiable reason or something

 

[MidKnight]

HA! Pervy Sage takes this one high diff. Remember part 1 guys?

 

[Redvash20]

Jiraya would win cause once he got in sage mode Itachi wouldn't be able to keep up and don't say that Itachi wouldn't let him do that to him cause he got in sage mode when he was fighting pain he could do it against Itachi and he won't have to worry about being stuck in a genjutsu while he in sage mode cause he got the toads...... Jiraya would win

 

[Bogard]

Are you really changing points now? Talking about what's the difference? I was commenting on your incorrect post... Nothing more nothing less..

Where is the difference since we don't know another Itachi than the one who is sick when he was alive. So i must take which Itachi? Sickness is part of the character

Please stop talking crap... Bee was caught in it mid air, and it was only when he skid on the ground and thought to himself that he can't move, he broke out of it.

I already explained sennin mode to you.... I suggest you reread pa's explanation of it, It does not in any way disrupt chakra flow. Ma and pa would have to do that themselves

The time Itachi attacked in the illusion, he was already out. It didn't took more than one second since Itachi was in front of him, unless you say that Itachi wasn't fast enough to attack him during that illusion. Take a look:

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And for Pa and Ma, i'm not saying it disturbs chakra, but that it gives additional chakra, and what i say is that when you give additional chakra to someone in a genjutsu, it disturbs it, simple

I don't get how your points are even helping Jiraya's case
He saw amaterasu, but didn't know what in the world it was.. nor what it does etc... He doesn't know it comes out from his eyes, he doesn't know its a mangekyou ability, Nothing

Raikage avoided Amaterasu by seeing it for the first time. He knew it will come from the eye. Why won't Jiraya notice? Is Raikage smarter than Jiraya now? Especially when you know he saw the jutsu in part1 and said he will study the flames, a scene that happen in part1. It's common sense he knows how it works. Time has past man

What?

This:

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[Owarij]

Raikage avoided Amaterasu by seeing it for the first time. He knew it will come from the eye. Why won't Jiraya notice? Is Raikage smarter than Jiraya now? Especially when you know he saw the jutsu in part1 and said he will study the flames, a scene that happen in part1. It's common sense he knows how it works. Time has past man
Raiakge avoided amaterasu because his reflexes are on a level in which he can see it coming.. And who said raikage didn't know about it?

Shee knew all about it, that itachi had it, and itachi's level of control with it...
When raikage got hit, he cut his hand off instead of trying to get the flames off.. That shows he knows that amaterasu can't be gotten rid of easily..
Please don't compare

he time Itachi attacked in the illusion, he was already out. It didn't took more than one second since Itachi was in front of him, unless you say that Itachi wasn't fast enough to attack him during that illusion. Take a look:

Once again, total bulshit to assume that was once second.. Itachi had enough time in real life to throw kunai at him etc... It was not one second.. Don't be rediculous...
In the bee vs sasuke fight, He got hit mid air with genjutsu, landed on the ground, THEN it was broken.. MUCH longer than one second.. the anime even shows this..



A constant inflow of external chakra IS NOT disrupting someone's chakra flow... that's not how it works..

 

[Helikido]

Jiraya would win cause once he got in sage mode Itachi wouldn't be able to keep up and don't say that Itachi wouldn't let him do that to him cause he got in sage mode when he was fighting pain he could do it against Itachi and he won't have to worry about being stuck in a genjutsu while he in sage mode cause he got the toads...... Jiraya would win

Not a chance since Itachi perfectly kept up with KM Naruto and KM Naruto > SM jiraya.

Did people also forget that tsykiyomi cannot be broken by external sources? It only takes one second to do full damage and you must be an uchiha to break it.