Sure he will
Just like orochimaru knew not to look into sharingan? Just like Asuma, kurenai
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sigh, Jiraya was training naruto to fight Itachi's genjutsu, Instead of teaching him the basic uchiha fighting technique, he thought him what oro and he knew, to cancel it etc... There is nothing in this entire manga that suggests he can fight without eye contact, or will NOT make eye contact..
Now it comes to who starts their battles with genjutsu?
ahh that's right
Please enlighten me on what he does against a paralysis genjutsu followed by a kunai to the head at the beggining :|
Basically the same thing he did to oro, That Made oro realize A 13 YEAR OLD BOY was stronger than him
And it's already arguable that Oro is stronger than Jiraya.. But hey, abc logic doesn't work
I'd like to know what counter does Jiraya have to his genjutsu, when Jiraya himself has a 3 in genjutsu, meaning his skill and knowledge in it is low as naruto's overall intelligence
Itachi may be an overrated character, but base Itachi is severely underrated. Jiraiya can not beat any form of Itachi with low difficulty except for one who is sleeping. Unlike Sasuke and Madara, Itachi never overused the mangekyou sharingan which shows his prowess without those haxxed eyes. As I said earlier it could go either way.
The item are not based on MS there Spirtiual items MS isn't needed to use those items clearly stated in the manga and nice to know.
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If you were talking about someone doesn't have ninjutsu that be fine but saying Orochimaru not using Ninjustu is ridiculous, He uses Ninjutsu more then he uses the sword saying Orochimaru with no ninjutsu is like saying Orochimaru would have won that fight against Hiruzen with his ninjutsu or Edo Tensei.
Scan of him defeating Orochimaru in 1 genjutsu? That bullshit never happened, it's pure fanfiction that Itachitards come up with to try and use to act as if Itachi ever stood any chance against Jiraiya whatsoever
Sure he will
Just like orochimaru knew not to look into sharingan? Just like Asuma, kurenai
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sigh, Jiraya was training naruto to fight Itachi's genjutsu, Instead of teaching him the basic uchiha fighting technique, he thought him what oro and he knew, to cancel it etc... There is nothing in this entire manga that suggests he can fight without eye contact, or will NOT make eye contact..
Now it comes to who starts their battles with genjutsu?
ahh that's right
Please enlighten me on what he does against a paralysis genjutsu followed by a kunai to the head at the beggining :|
Basically the same thing he did to oro, That Made oro realize A 13 YEAR OLD BOY was stronger than him
And it's already arguable that Oro is stronger than Jiraya.. But hey, abc logic doesn't work
I'd like to know what counter does Jiraya have to his genjutsu, when Jiraya himself has a 3 in genjutsu, meaning his skill and knowledge in it is low as naruto's overall intelligence
Scan of him defeating Orochimaru in 1 genjutsu? That bullshit never happened, it's pure fanfiction that Itachitards come up with to try and use to act as if Itachi ever stood any chance against Jiraiya whatsoever
Never more have I wanted to neg posts for disagreeing, but I won't, instead I'm leaving a note here of how ridiculously BS they are.
It's stated in the manga and databook you go find it.
Itachi never beat Orochimaru with a one shot genjutsu really ?
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The only bullshit is that thing you call a brain dumbass you just lost all credit do us a favor log off your account make a new one and don't tell no one it's you.
I logged back onto this site filled with fails to reply to people who have pm'ed me because my email is getting clogged up to see this thread. Why people underestimate base itachi when he not only holds one of the most impressive feats in base, his feats in base are far superior to base Jiraiya;
Base itachi is kage level ant tbh i dont understand how people forget things. Base Itachi believe it or not has one of the most impressive feats in base;
He beat orochimaru in base.
He beat deidora in base.
He beat sasuke in base (although i dont count this because part 1 sasuke was nothing special).
He defeated 3 sharingan users with taijutsu who belonged in the police force in base.
Beat kurenai in base.
He got the better of kakashi in part 1 arguable the konoha's strongest jonin in base without breaking a sweat even before he used tsukuyomi
Name me another ninja in base who has done what itachi has in base. I do however agree that he has shown us limited ninjutsu therefore people often mistake this as his weakness, but thats false. It was said that he not only mastered the uchiha katon jutsu's, he also mastered the Katon: Gokakyu no Jutsu at a much younger age than sasuke who did at 7. So whilst he might not have shown us much ninjutsu feat's outside the ms, he no doubt has more techniques. People also forget that he is a suiton user, but also his partner is arguable one of the best suiton users in the series. Im certain itachi copied kisame's less chakra consuming suiton jutsu's.
People also forget his genjutsu prowess which can get the better of any kage level ninja and infact has already in orochimaru. His handspeed was so fast that either sasuke or kakashi both with the sharingan were able to figure out. His intelligence, well i dont believe i need to tell you this. His taijutsu is also very good. His speed and reflexes is also one of the best in the series. He is also skilled in Shurikenjutsu, and kenjutsu, then you have his legendary weapons which we dont know for certain whether he can wield it without susano
In base he holds one of the most impressive feats, but also if you look at the databook, if you take the ms away from him his databook stats wouldnt change much. He would still get a 5 for speed, 5 for intelligence, 5 for genjutsu, 4.5 for taijutsu, 5 for handspeed. The only thing that might decrease is his ninjutsu stat, simply because he hasnt shown us much outside the ms.
Base itachi is kage level and would still be able to get the better off other kage level ninja's without the ms. Infact just look at his feats in base when he was edo against km naruto and bee before he used the ms
Op whenever you create a vs thread distance and location is very important, something ive noticed that nb members do not take seriously but then again majority of posts in that vs section arent to be taken seriously either.
Anyway any distance that doesnt exceed 100m, Itachi will most likely win, he is better at close and mid range than jiraiya. First issue is genjutsu. In the DB the distance for Magen Kasegui no Jutsu the same paralysis genjutsu that was used against oro was a max of 5m. If distance is close enough itachi will put jiraiya in the same position he put oro and paralysis genjutsu are harder to escape. Loads of people will say jiraiya will never look into itachi's eyes, but the manga disagrees;
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If you look clsoely at the middle page itachi and jiraiya have made eye contact at the same time the distance is there to possible execute this genjutsu; Magen Kasegui no Jutsu. The second sharingan genjutsu that itachi can get jiraiya in is the one he used against deidora. Again the distance is there to execute this technique;
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Jiraiya has not only gazed into itachi's eyes once's before he has done this when the distance was therefore itachi to use genjutsu on him. Alot of people say Jiraiya can break genjutsu, but there are problems with that and im not even talking about paralysis genjutsu. Jiraiya first way of breaking genjutsu is disrupting your chakra flow, something that failed naruto against Itachi. Who is to say, this method that jiraiya told naruto, wouldnt also fail before itachi's genjutsu if jiraiya was to use this same methond. Secondly as we all know jiraiya isnt a genjutsu type like naruto and its no surprise that he has a 3 for genjutsu. In the DB the stats are given not only according to speciality in that field, but also resistance to a degree. Anybody with a low stat in a field is not only miserable in that field, but will most likely also have trouble against somebody who is elite in that field. Anyway apart from sharingan genjutsu there is dusk crow genjutsu and Utakata (aka finger genjutsu) both not needing the sharingan that itachi can execute in close range.
Onto taijutsu. Both might have a 4.5/5 for taijutsu but this is in relation to skill. Just because both have the same stat doesnt mean they are equal in taijutsu. In a taijutsu fight, skill laone isnt enough, reflexes and speed gains you the advantage and itachi not only has the speed advantage clear in the DB he also holds he reflex advantage further boosts by the abilities of the sharingan. In a close range taijutsu fight, itachi will dominate jiraiya. Im also certain that during this he can possible form a bunshin. Afterall its during his shuriken assault that he was still able to form a karasu bunshin which even sasuke a sharingan user was surprised. He has not only shown to exceed in taijutsu he has gotten the better of 3 sharingan users in a taijutsu fight at 13;
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Similarly against kurenai who after kicking her onto the lake appeared behind her;
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Onto to ninjutsu. In a close/mid range fight Itachi will always execute his techniques before jiraiya that is something that nobody can deny. He has been able to create 3 techniques with 1 move. Itachi in base during part 1 against kakashi in close range battle was able to use a shuriken as a decoy, whilst at the same time formed handseals for Suiton Suigadan to trap kakashi's leg and in that same move formed a kage bunshin which later exploded; Bunshin Daibakuha. In one move he was able to create 3 attacks which got the better of all the jonins;
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Even kakashi who you can argue has better reflexes due to the sharigan and speed than jiraiya and in most people's opinion a better close range fighter than jiraiya was made to look ordinary for him to later proclaim itachi's feats as a 13 year old. The look on kurenai's face also says it all;
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Against sasuke he was able to counter all the shurikens that sasuke threw at him, whilst preparing tsukuyomi and even weaeved an handseal for a karasu bunshin. What im basically saying is that in close range itachi has gotten the better of everybody. He has gotten the better of oro, naruto deidora, Bee with genjutsu. Gotten the better of sharingan users like those at the police form, kakashi and sasuke with either taijutsu or ninjutsu. Its guaranteed that in a close to mid range fight, he'd always make the first move. His handseals are musch faster than jiraiya and would be able to weave multiple handseals and create 2-3 attacks like he has already done even before jiraiya manages to weave 1. Even against kabuto, he was able to read kabuto's intentions and weave the handseals for kabuto's attack even before him. In a close to mid range fight, itachi will dominate jiraiya;
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If distance is more than 100m Jiraiya stands a great chance because itachi is a master of close to mid range battles, whilst jiraiya is a mid range fighter he has long range attacks, something that itachi lacks. In a distance of more than 100m although itachi has great shushin feats, i doubt he'd be able to get close to jiraiya before jiraiya weaves a handseal. A technique like Kuchiyose Gamaguchi Shibari is something that jiraiya would be able to weave if the gap is 100m. In that scenario is debatable whether Bunshin Daibakuha explosion strength is enough to blow the toad's belly apart for an escape route for itachi. Similarly in a distance more than 100m, jiraiya could use Doton Yomi Numa. I believe anybody with good chakra control can stand balance on the mud. Example i usual here people say jiraiya will cover the whole battlefield with this technique and i always ask myself, if jiraiya does this, doesnt that mean he would also sink in the mud, unless he also can balance on the mud. In that distance itachi will not be able to read the handseals.
Basically in close to mid range itachi wins. In long range Jiraiya wins
Since i think the debate doesn't make sense with Base Itachi, i'll try to debate about alive MS Itachi against Jiraya. Since we have never seen "healthy Itachi" i think it's fair to compare him from what we've seen from him(and not Edo Itachi who even has much more chakra than Naruto).
So from what we've seen from him, some people who defend Itachi forget everytime to notice he has a poor stamina. Using one MS technique already put him in difficulties in the rest of fight. This is what happened after Tsukiyomi:
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After Amaterasu:
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Yes Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi and Susanoo are dangerous techniques, but a lot of people fail to look side effects of his jutsus. When he is lying on the floor, coughing up blood, that could be great opportunities that could take Jiraya(or someone else) to finish him if he is skill enough. It's also for this reason, that he wasn't even capable to avoid Sasuke's katon jutsu when he normally can:
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And i talk about all that by avoiding Susanoo who is nearly the reason why he died.
Now i'll talk about Jiraya. We're talking about one of the most versatile ninja that exist in this manga if he isn't the most versatile.
Fact number1: Genjutsu- It's true that it's nearly impossible to see someone as good in genjutsu than Itachi in this manga. But honestly, besides from his tsukiyomi i don't see why Jiraya can't counter his other genjutsus. Some people always like to refer to Orochimaru when they try to compare Itachi with Jiraya but they forget a lot of things.
Orochimaru and Jiraya don't have the same fighting style. Orochimaru never cares about what happens in battle cuz he thinks he is immortal. Just look his reaction when he got cut by totsuka. He was pretty much careless saying "do you think i could be killed by that?" That shows, Orochimaru is really careless when he fights. It's not the case of Jiraya who is really careful when he fights. That's why it's funny to compare them. It's true Jiraya would have more difficulties to beat Orochimaru than Itachi but it doesn't mean Itachi is stronger than Itachi, but that Itachi had the best abilities to fight Orochimaru than Jiraya, that's all. If it was like that i could also say that Guy is stronger than Bee cuz he has beaten Kisame the one Bee didn't defeated, i can say Shikamaru is stronger than Asuma, the one Asuma didn't defeated, etc
And even then, i doubt Jiraya used SM when he fought Orochimaru last time, so don't sure if he can't beat him without problems(if i don't count Edo obviously).
Some people like to think Itachi's genjutsus can't be countered, but they forget that Danzo already show us it can be countered. Sure it was not Itachi's tsukiyomi, but i think it would be fair to say that this genjutsu was at least stronger than all Itachi's genjutsus besides from his tsukiyomi. So that means Danzo could defeat all Itachi's genjutsu besides from tsukiyomi that we're not really sure he can.
So the fact Danzo defeated it with a "kai" jutsu, means that if you stop your chakra flow and disturb it with a high increase of chakra you can actually dispell the genjutsu exactly like Jiraya said:
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Now it depends if you're skill enough to do it. Naruto was skill but not enough and that's why he wasn't capable to dispell the genjutsu at that time. It's even why Itachi said "he's grown, but not enough". That shows with better control of his chakra, he could have dispell his genjutsu, but at that time it wasn't enough.
So Jiraya with better control can actually succeed by doing this, but i agree we've no proof, but we also have no proof he can't.
But like i've said, i highly doubt he can counter tsukiyomi cuz like Kakashi said, it can be effective only in 1second. So it gives no time for the opponent to disturb his chakra and go thru the genjutsu.
So i think if Jiraya is caught in Itachi's tsukiyomi, he can't counter it, but he can still avoid it, by using kage bunshin for example like here:
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And we all know that genjutsus are useless against clones:
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Like i've said, Jiraya is extremly carefull while fighting. He has even shown that if he is in difficulties, it's no problem for him to retreat for a moment to think about a strategy to beat the opponent and come back:
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A lot of people also talk too much of Susanoo, but they forget his weaknesses. Underground. Like Gaara said, you can take the user out of his Susanoo by taking him from underground. And Jiraya has a lot of jutsu who could be effective that way like yomi numa for example:
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And like you can see, it has a great scale and that wasn't even its full power since Jiraya was drugged at that time. He thought himself he could created another one much more bigger and Susanoo(even with Yata mirror) can't protect from an underground attack. Only option for Itachi is to avoid it.
We also forget to talk about it, but even if Susanoo has more power than Summoning techniques, Summoning techniques are much more huge than Susanoo and Jiraya can use it to crush Susanoo like this:
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Or here(even the Kyubi who i believe is stronger than Susanoo was immobilised by Gamabunta during a certain time):
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In intelligence, i believe Itachi is smarter but Jiraya even if he is not at Itachi's level has shown great feats in strategy while fighting(against Pain especially), especially when he enters SM. What some people forget is that when Jiraya enter SM, he summons Pa and Ma also. That means there are 3brains instead of one, especially when you talk about old toads who lived so long, so know pretty much everything that existed so far. So they could be really effective while showing him the way to fight.
Obviously, in this mode he can also use Frog song and like we've seen Itachi can't counter it if he gets caught by the jutsu. So if it happens, he is dead.
The factor chakra will play a great roll in this fight like i've said at the begin of my argumentation. The fact that more Itachi uses MS techniques, more he struggle while Jiraya with his large chakra reserve could spamm jutsus without even thinking(or almost) could give him a great advantage if the fight takes too long.
These are some of the reasons why i think this fight could go either way. Each of them could win
Both base Itachi and base Jiraiya have good feats. Itachi is not only using powerful Genjutsus, he is also using strong Ninjutsu, as an Uchiha he is known for having strong Katon-Techniques and can copy Jiraiyas, too. He is faster than Jiraiya by feats and according to the Databook and his usage of weapons is better by feats, too. Above he is smarter. Maybe base Itachi doesn't have a counter for any of Jiraiyas techniques, but only in the case if Jiraiya can use them before Itachi will use his techniques, for example paralyzing Genjutsus.
And if the talk is about Itachi with his Mangekyou Sharingan, Jiraiya doesn't have any chances of winning. Already Chikushodo gave him a tough fight and if Itachi will use his Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo above it is just common sense that Jiraiya won't stand a chance.
people sying jiraiya is equal to itachi. right, he is weual to him, but to THIS Itachi. the mangekyou sharingan wasnt really known in the old series. there were no susanoo and amaterasu was undefined too.
Itachi fights jiraiya without the MS. He has his powerful genjutsus, strong ninjutsu, excellent taijutsu, usage of weapons, speed, copy and see thru ability and his intelligence.
against jiraiya. jiraiya have to reach his senninmode, he does not start with it.
Since i think the debate doesn't make sense with Base Itachi, i'll try to debate about alive MS Itachi against Jiraya. Since we have never seen "healthy Itachi" i think it's fair to compare him from what we've seen from him(and not Edo Itachi who even has much more chakra than Naruto).
So from what we've seen from him, some people who defend Itachi forget everytime to notice he has a poor stamina. Using one MS technique already put him in difficulties in the rest of fight. This is what happened after Tsukiyomi:
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After Amaterasu:
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Yes Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi and Susanoo are dangerous techniques, but a lot of people fail to look side effects of his jutsus. When he is lying on the floor, coughing up blood, that could be great opportunities that could take Jiraya(or someone else) to finish him if he is skill enough. It's also for this reason, that he wasn't even capable to avoid Sasuke's katon jutsu when he normally can:
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And i talk about all that by avoiding Susanoo who is nearly the reason why he died.
Now i'll talk about Jiraya. We're talking about one of the most versatile ninja that exist in this manga if he isn't the most versatile.
Fact number1: Genjutsu- It's true that it's nearly impossible to see someone as good in genjutsu than Itachi in this manga. But honestly, besides from his tsukiyomi i don't see why Jiraya can't counter his other genjutsus. Some people always like to refer to Orochimaru when they try to compare Itachi with Jiraya but they forget a lot of things.
Orochimaru and Jiraya don't have the same fighting style. Orochimaru never cares about what happens in battle cuz he thinks he is immortal. Just look his reaction when he got cut by totsuka. He was pretty much careless saying "do you think i could be killed by that?" That shows, Orochimaru is really careless when he fights. It's not the case of Jiraya who is really careful when he fights. That's why it's funny to compare them. It's true Jiraya would have more difficulties to beat Orochimaru than Itachi but it doesn't mean Itachi is stronger than Itachi, but that Itachi had the best abilities to fight Orochimaru than Jiraya, that's all. If it was like that i could also say that Guy is stronger than Bee cuz he has beaten Kisame the one Bee didn't defeated, i can say Shikamaru is stronger than Asuma, the one Asuma didn't defeated, etc
And even then, i doubt Jiraya used SM when he fought Orochimaru last time, so don't sure if he can't beat him without problems(if i don't count Edo obviously).
Some people like to think Itachi's genjutsus can't be countered, but they forget that Danzo already show us it can be countered. Sure it was not Itachi's tsukiyomi, but i think it would be fair to say that this genjutsu was at least stronger than all Itachi's genjutsus besides from his tsukiyomi. So that means Danzo could defeat all Itachi's genjutsu besides from tsukiyomi that we're not really sure he can.
So the fact Danzo defeated it with a "kai" jutsu, means that if you stop your chakra flow and disturb it with a high increase of chakra you can actually dispell the genjutsu exactly like Jiraya said:
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Now it depends if you're skill enough to do it. Naruto was skill but not enough and that's why he wasn't capable to dispell the genjutsu at that time. It's even why Itachi said "he's grown, but not enough". That shows with better control of his chakra, he could have dispell his genjutsu, but at that time it wasn't enough.
So Jiraya with better control can actually succeed by doing this, but i agree we've no proof, but we also have no proof he can't.
But like i've said, i highly doubt he can counter tsukiyomi cuz like Kakashi said, it can be effective only in 1second. So it gives no time for the opponent to disturb his chakra and go thru the genjutsu.
So i think if Jiraya is caught in Itachi's tsukiyomi, he can't counter it, but he can still avoid it, by using kage bunshin for example like here:
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And we all know that genjutsus are useless against clones:
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Like i've said, Jiraya is extremly carefull while fighting. He has even shown that if he is in difficulties, it's no problem for him to retreat for a moment to think about a strategy to beat the opponent and come back:
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A lot of people also talk too much of Susanoo, but they forget his weaknesses. Underground. Like Gaara said, you can take the user out of his Susanoo by taking him from underground. And Jiraya has a lot of jutsu who could be effective that way like yomi numa for example:
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And like you can see, it has a great scale and that wasn't even its full power since Jiraya was drugged at that time. He thought himself he could created another one much more bigger and Susanoo(even with Yata mirror) can't protect from an underground attack. Only option for Itachi is to avoid it.
We also forget to talk about it, but even if Susanoo has more power than Summoning techniques, Summoning techniques are much more huge than Susanoo and Jiraya can use it to crush Susanoo like this:
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Or here(even the Kyubi who i believe is stronger than Susanoo was immobilised by Gamabunta during a certain time):
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In intelligence, i believe Itachi is smarter but Jiraya even if he is not at Itachi's level has shown great feats in strategy while fighting(against Pain especially), especially when he enters SM. What some people forget is that when Jiraya enter SM, he summons Pa and Ma also. That means there are 3brains instead of one, especially when you talk about old toads who lived so long, so know pretty much everything that existed so far. So they could be really effective while showing him the way to fight.
Obviously, in this mode he can also use Frog song and like we've seen Itachi can't counter it if he gets caught by the jutsu. So if it happens, he is dead.
The factor chakra will play a great roll in this fight like i've said at the begin of my argumentation. The fact that more Itachi uses MS techniques, more he struggle while Jiraya with his large chakra reserve could spamm jutsus without even thinking(or almost) could give him a great advantage if the fight takes too long.
These are some of the reasons why i think this fight could go either way. Each of them could win
1: Itachi was half dead fighting sasuke. Hence why he was so fatigued before the fight even started. Proof? In part one he used tsykiyomi and amaturasu and never showed anysighns of fatigue.
2: Itachis stamina levels are higher than sasukes. He was able to spam amagurasu (allot) and even tsykiyomi and tanked a full kirin with susanoo and then fought and sealed oro while being half dead no actually with 10% life in him. Sasuke cannot even do all that while he is alive and healthy.
3: Tsykihomi cannot be broken by anyone who is not uchiha. that has been sated by Itachi.
4: Jiraya has no fast enough counters for amaturasu. Way too slow to even have a chance of dodging.
5: Any fire technique can be copied then be used later on jiraya.
6: Healthy Itachi will have no problem burning all boss summons with amaturasu. As I stated you cannot judge his stamina from sasukes fight since he already was half blind and dead.
7: Jiraya doesn't even know tsykiyomi exists.
8: Totska blade is much too fast for Jiraya.
9: Susanoo is not even needed in this fight.
10: Itachi can just one shot amaturasu jiraya if he wanted to before the fight even progresses. Don't say he will seal it. He cannot especially when his body is burning up. His scrolls will catch on fire with him thus a failed attempt.
1: Itachi was half dead fighting sasuke. Hence why he was so fatigued before the fight even started. Proof? In part one he used tsykiyomi and amaturasu and never showed anysighns of fatigue.
Not tired? Have you seen what happened after Amaterasu very well? He turned of his sharingan and needed to take a rest. You can even see him sweating:
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Look carefully on the middle of my pic and you will even see an expression "pant" "pant" showing he was tired
2: Itachis stamina levels are higher than sasukes. He was able to spam amagurasu (allot) and even tsykiyomi and tanked a full kirin with susanoo and then fought and sealed oro while being half dead no actually with 10% life in him. Sasuke cannot even do all that while he is alive and healthy.
Lol, Itachi even has less chakra than Kakashi. Must i show you the databook where it's stated he only has 2.5/5 in chakra? Sasuke has more chakra than Itachi by far, so it's laughable to see someone claiming Itachi has higher chakra level than Sasuke. Sasuke is not the one who die after using MS techniques. He didn't use a lot of jutsus against Sasuke: 1genjutsu,1tsukiyomi,2Amaterasu,2katon jutsu, Susanoo. That's all what i remember and it's not even half of what Sasuke can do
3: Tsykihomi cannot be broken by anyone who is not uchiha. that has been sated by Itachi.
He can't in base form, but in SM he can since Pa' and Ma' are there to give him sennin chakra all the time. Making tsukiyomi is useless then. Itachi said his tsukiyomi can't be countered, but did Itachi encountered everyone in NU to know that?? Databook also says that tsukiyomi(or other genjutsus) are useless against a Jinchuriki who control his Tailed Beast like Bee
4: Jiraya has no fast enough counters for amaturasu. Way too slow to even have a chance of dodging.
Itachi has never shown he was capable of that. He didn't copy Sasuke's dragon fire style for example
6: Healthy Itachi will have no problem burning all boss summons with amaturasu. As I stated you cannot judge his stamina from sasukes fight since he already was half blind and dead.
Like i've said also at the begin of my post, we don't know who "healthy Itachi" is since we've never seen him in this manga. His illness is a part of the character.
10: Itachi can just one shot amaturasu jiraya if he wanted to before the fight even progresses. Don't say he will seal it. He cannot especially when his body is burning up. His scrolls will catch on fire with him thus a failed attempt.
en has less chakra than Kakashi. Must i show you the databook where it's stated he only has 2.5/5 in chakra? Sasuke has more chakra than Itachi by far, so it's laughable to see someone claiming Itachi has higher chakra level than Sasuke. Sasuke is not the one who die after using MS techniques. He didn't use a lot of jutsus against Sasuke: 1genjutsu,1tsukiyomi,2Amaterasu,2katon jutsu, Susanoo. That's all what i remember and it's not even half of what Sasuke can do
Databook says itachi has 2.5 in stanima not chakra... He has 2.5 because he is plaugued with a sickness and can't last long in a fight.. That has NOTHING to do with his chakra levels
He can't in base form, but in SM he can since Pa' and Ma' are there to give him sennin chakra all the time. Making tsukiyomi is useless then. Itachi said his tsukiyomi can't be countered, but did Itachi encountered everyone in NU to know that?? Databook also says that tsukiyomi(or other genjutsus) are useless against a Jinchuriki who control his Tailed Beast like Bee
Itachi's tsukyomi cannot be broken by him in base, Nor can it in in Sm.... A seperate chakra DISRUPTING your normal chakra flow is what is needed to break genjutsu... Not just a constant flow of a seperate chakra.... As we see bee and his bijuu cloak was still caught in the genjutsu...
Ma and pa would first have to realize he's in it, then disrupt his chakra flow...That's impossible because itachi's tsukyomi lasts less than a second, and according to kakashi , that makes cancelling it impossible
He has kage bunshins and kawarimi. Besides from that his speed is not that bad. Sasuke was able to dodge it a little bit. Jiraya can do it also
1)Itachi was past half blind, and amaterasu is a ocular jutsu
2)Sasuke knew and saw how amaterasu was used before hand
Your argument is bad on a whole... Jiraya doesn't know about how amaterasu works,.. He won't know what the bleeding eye means, and he won't be able to dodge it with his speed. nor make any handseals for shadow clones
Itachi has never shown he was capable of that. He didn't copy Sasuke's dragon fire style for example
Once again, are you seriously insinuating Sharingan users can't copy jutsu? Please just don't comment on this again.... It's clearly stated in the manga and databook that it's an ability of the sharingan ...... Infact 2 tomoe sharingan can copy abilities..
Your argument following the premise that just because he didn't use it he can't is completely ridiculous when It's an ability he uses in his skillset.... Why don't you tell me why itachi would have any reason to use it? Did he have intent to kill sasuke? Did he not plan that fight out?
Amaterasu has a range(0-5M). The times it comes, Jiraya will notice it
Honestly? what in the world are you talking about... By the time he notices amaterasu, it's already on him... He is in no way fast enough to dodge it... Nor does he have reflexes fast enough to dodge it.... And this is in base..
@Bogard: Please quit assuming in all of your posts. It makes you look stupid. Being an extreme Jiraya fan boy is not cool man. Jiraya has NO COUNTERS FOR AMATURASU, TSYKIYOMI, AND TOTSKA BLADE. please understand this.
Jitayas speed is also much lower than itachis. Look at how Itachi kept up with KM Naruto. Your posts reek with fail.
And who came up with this 0-5m range for amatirasu? Complete bullshit. Go read another manga if you can't comprehend that.
Amatirasu can be cast as long as the victim I's in sight....
@Owarji: Thanks for going through the trouble and saving me time.
Hold on a second, this fight is base Itachi VS Jiraiya. I don't know why people are bringing Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu in it as well. Anyway I agree with Blaze Release that Itachi would win in most scenarios even without the mangekyou with high difficulty.
Databook says itachi has 2.5 in stanima not chakra... He has 2.5 because he is plaugued with a sickness and can't last long in a fight.. That has NOTHING to do with his chakra levels
And what is the difference? He still can't last long in this fight. You say it yourself
Itachi's tsukyomi cannot be broken by him in base, Nor can it in in Sm.... A seperate chakra DISRUPTING your normal chakra flow is what is needed to break genjutsu... Not just a constant flow of a seperate chakra.... As we see bee and his bijuu cloak was still caught in the genjutsu...
Ma and pa would first have to realize he's in it, then disrupt his chakra flow...That's impossible because itachi's tsukyomi lasts less than a second, and according to kakashi , that makes cancelling it impossible
Bee was affected but Hachibi directly disrupted his chakra and went out of it. It didn't even took one second.
Jiraya said to go out from a genjutsu, you need a partner who must give you chakra to disrupt your chakra flow. It's how it works. Pa and Ma continuously give him sennin chakra. So if he is caught in a genjutsu, the fact they give him chakra continuously makes him immune to genjutsu. Simple. He can't be affected
1)Itachi was past half blind, and amaterasu is a ocular jutsu
2)Sasuke knew and saw how amaterasu was used before hand
Your argument is bad on a whole... Jiraya doesn't know about how amaterasu works,.. He won't know what the bleeding eye means, and he won't be able to dodge it with his speed. nor make any handseals for shadow clones
1) Ok he was half blind, so what? It's part of the character. He doesn't have EMS, does he? So it's normal he can go blind
2) Lol, Jiraya doesn't know Amaterasu? What did he saw in part1?
Once again, are you seriously insinuating Sharingan users can't copy jutsu? Please just don't comment on this again.... It's clearly stated in the manga and databook that it's an ability of the sharingan ...... Infact 2 tomoe sharingan can copy abilities..
Your argument following the premise that just because he didn't use it he can't is completely ridiculous when It's an ability he uses in his skillset.... Why don't you tell me why itachi would have any reason to use it? Did he have intent to kill sasuke? Did he not plan that fight out?
I only say that Itachi never uses sharingan this way, so i can't give him this capacity since he never use it this way
Honestly? what in the world are you talking about... By the time he notices amaterasu, it's already on him... He is in no way fast enough to dodge it... Nor does he have reflexes fast enough to dodge it.... And this is in base..
Are you really changing points now? Talking about what's the difference? I was commenting on your incorrect post... Nothing more nothing less..
Bee was affected but Hachibi directly disrupted his chakra and went out of it. It didn't even took one second.
Jiraya said to go out from a genjutsu, you need a partner who must give you chakra to disrupt your chakra flow. It's how it works. Pa and Ma continuously give him sennin chakra. So if he is caught in a genjutsu, the fact they give him chakra continuously makes him immune to genjutsu. Simple. He can't be affected
Please stop talking crap... Bee was caught in it mid air, and it was only when he skid on the ground and thought to himself that he can't move, he broke out of it.
I already explained sennin mode to you.... I suggest you reread pa's explanation of it, It does not in any way disrupt chakra flow. Ma and pa would have to do that themselves
1) Ok he was half blind, so what? It's part of the character. He doesn't have EMS, does he? So it's normal he can go blind
2) Lol, Jiraya doesn't know Amaterasu? What did he saw in part1?
I don't get how your points are even helping Jiraya's case
He saw amaterasu, but didn't know what in the world it was.. nor what it does etc... He doesn't know it comes out from his eyes, he doesn't know its a mangekyou ability, Nothing
