Itachi Uchiha vs. Minato Namikaze

[bobtheboober]

Chakra is used only to create the seals , otherwise the seals would disappear when Minato died.

exactly. he needs seals on the kunai to throw it. sharingan sees chakra.

 

[Valhorus]

exactly. he needs seals on the kunai to throw it. sharingan sees chakra.

The seals on the kunais are already made , did you even got my point from the previous post ?

 

[Demonic.]

exactly. he needs seals on the kunai to throw it. sharingan sees chakra.

I think he meant if the seals had chakra they would've disappeared when Minato died. But Minato said they never disappear.

 

[Bogard]

Anyway can anyone else other than the stupid girl counter my Tsukuyomi point? I'm still waiting

 

[Crossroads]

Minato FTG's Itachi to Betelgeuse. Gg no re.

Seriously though, Itachi takes this. There are far too many ways for Minato to end up in Itachi's genjutsu and Susano'o isn't need nor is it a factor. Minato said himself that he isn't a prominent senjutsu user, yet people still use Sage mode as an argumentative standpoint.

Please, Itachi medium difficulty.​

 

[Demonic.]

Anyway can anyone else other than the stupid girl counter my Tsukuyomi point? I'm still waiting

Can Minato sense Tsukuyomi coming like Amaterasu? I think he can.

 

[Akasuna]

exactly. he needs seals on the kunai to throw it. sharingan sees chakra.

Sasuke and Obito didn't see the seal on Danzo's chest until he revealed it. [

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[BenjerminGaye]

name them?

oh and yes, ftg marks do contain chakra. thats why itachi wont fall for it.

3rd greatest. I.e. obito. Only surpassed by madara his mentor and sasuke(after gaining harogomo powers)


Please prove that the marks contain chakra.

 

[bobtheboober]

Can Minato sense Tsukuyomi coming like Amaterasu? I think he can.

ama needs prep, tsukuyomi doesn't

 

[Bogard]

Can Minato sense Tsukuyomi coming like Amaterasu? I think he can.

Minato has good counters to it

- Sensors can notice build up and even fight eye close and tsukuyomi requires eye contact
- Tsukuyomi(or any genjutsu) is useless on clone

But what i meant was something else. The possibility to actually counter it with a change of shape in chakra during the 72h process

 

[Demonic.]

Minato has good counters to it

- Sensors can notice build up and even fight eye close and tsukuyomi requires eye contact
- Tsukuyomi(or any genjutsu) is useless on clone

But what i meant was something else. The possibility to actually counter it with a change of shape in chakra during the 72h process

Theoretically I think it's possible. Like any Genjutsu if you distort your chakra you break it. But it might be extremely hard without being an Uchiha. People say Tsukuyomi lasts 1 second in real time but I doubt it. More like a few seconds.

 

[Apêx1]

Once again i'm not asking if he can break the genjutsu, but escape it. What you described is the process to break the genjutsu that i know myself. By escaping what i mean is this. Itachi's tsukuyomi takes control of the chakra of the opponent located in his head, but if Minato changes his chakra to match someone else(Itachi's for example), it would not be the same chakra controlled by Itachi anymore, giving him then a sort of escape

Minato and Naruto are the only one so far who have been stated to be capable to change chakra types, so Itachi not making exceptions on his statements is a moot point considering he most likely didn't even know it was possible

I already told you this in a different thread, but i'll say it again since you probably haven't read it again.

Furthermore, if Tsukiyomi is used, it is over. Tsuikyomi isn't ordinary genjutsu, it's considered ninjutsu in the DB and it's an MS technique.

NINJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI; Tsukuyomi

User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

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Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!

Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful.

Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labeled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes.

DB entry makes it clear it isn't genjutsu, but ninjutsu, and the only way to break out of it is being an Uchiha, with a sharingan and have extreme mastery of it. Minato cannot escape nor break out of it. Itachi also told Kakashi he has to be an Uchiha (bloodline limit) to be able to counter the tsukiyomi, thus Perfect jins and any other attempt to disrupt Tsukuyomi is futile.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Minato has good counters to it

- Sensors can notice build up and even fight eye close and tsukuyomi requires eye contact
- Tsukuyomi(or any genjutsu) is useless on clone

But what i meant was something else. The possibility to actually counter it with a change of shape in chakra during the 72h process

well Sasuke was able to break the genjutsu while in the middle of tsukuyomi so the time frame for the person put is different I guess. Then again, Kakashi had the sharingan and couldn't even attempt a kai release when inside the illusion

 

[Bogard]

Theoretically I think it's possible. Like any Genjutsu if you distort your chakra you break it. But it might be extremely hard without being an Uchiha. People say Tsukuyomi lasts 1 second in real time but I doubt it. More like a few seconds.

It last seconds in the real world only. It's for external people that it's impossible to break the victim out of the genjutsu due to the relative short time span. But for the victim inside the genjutsu, it lasts 72h. You need MS to break it however because of the strength of the genjutsu not allowing someone without Sharingan to resist. But i'm questioning if someone like Minato could not escape it regardless because he can change his chakra type at will to match any other individual

 

[bobtheboober]

Minato has good counters to it

- Sensors can notice build up and even fight eye close and tsukuyomi requires eye contact
- Tsukuyomi(or any genjutsu) is useless on clone

But what i meant was something else. The possibility to actually counter it with a change of shape in chakra during the 72h process

it's manga fact that tsukuyomi cannot be broken by anyone else but an MS user. he's not breaking it get over it :ilu:

tsukuyomi is useless on a clone ya, but he's not getting fooled by it. he was as smart as a kage at age 7.

tsukuyomi doesn't require a build-up of chakra so sensing it is useless. even if it does it's too fast for a non- precog user to predict its build-up.

fighting with his eyes closed is gonna be worse to him because then he won't know when he's under Ephemeral or not. he needs eye-sight to figure out that he's under it and then break it.

 

[Crossroads]

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[Demonic.]

Tsukuyomi is still a close range jutsu, and Itachi was part blind already. When he fought Sasuke he saw a blur. Minato having shadow clones out that can also use FTG. I don't see Itachi risking using Tsukuyomi.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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You were saying? Lol

ot: Minato High-diffs at most. People pretty much stated all the reasons but this was the nail in the coffin

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Tsukuyomi is actually one of the weakest one-shots in my opinion. It requires the enemy to physically look into the casters eyes, shinobi with better speed/reactions than itachi, competent kage-bunshin users, or anyone who can stay away from its effective range can combat it.

What is that picture proving? Lol

 

[Bogard]

@thestupidgirl don't quote me again. You risk to bring me on your own level of stupidity

I already told you this in a different thread, but i'll say it again since you probably haven't read it again.

Furthermore, if Tsukiyomi is used, it is over. Tsuikyomi isn't ordinary genjutsu, it's considered ninjutsu in the DB and it's an MS technique.






DB entry makes it clear it isn't genjutsu, but ninjutsu, and the only way to break out of it is being an Uchiha, with a sharingan and have extreme mastery of it. Minato cannot escape nor break out of it. Itachi also told Kakashi he has to be an Uchiha (bloodline limit) to be able to counter the tsukiyomi, thus Perfect jins and any other attempt to disrupt Tsukuyomi is futile.

I don't remember. But like i've said to Strict once again i'm not asking if he can break the genjutsu, but escape it. What you described is the process to break the genjutsu that i know myself. Tsukuyomi can only be broken by skilled Uchihas because of the strength of the genjutsu

But what i'm asking is if Minato can escape it without actually breaking it. Itachi only said you can't break his illusion. By escaping what i mean is this. Itachi's tsukuyomi takes control of the chakra of the opponent located in his head, but if Minato changes his chakra to match someone else(Itachi's for example), it would not be the same chakra controlled by Itachi anymore, giving him then a sort of escape

Minato and Naruto are the only one so far who have been stated to be capable to change chakra types, so Itachi not making exceptions on his statements is a moot point considering he most likely didn't even know it was possible

 

[Demonic.]

it's manga fact that tsukuyomi cannot be broken by anyone else but an MS user. he's not breaking it get over it :ilu:

tsukuyomi is useless on a clone ya, but he's not getting fooled by it. he was as smart as a kage at age 7.

tsukuyomi doesn't require a build-up of chakra so sensing it is useless. even if it does it's too fast for a non- precog user to predict its build-up.

fighting with his eyes closed is gonna be worse to him because then he won't know when he's under Ephemeral or not. he needs eye-sight to figure out that he's under it and then break it.

He already fell for Kakashi's shadow clone...