Konan killed Madara (Given, he used Izanagi and lived) and yet you're saying she isn't enough of a cover? Her bombs would mess Konoha and the middle-tier Ninja down out! Plus, Itachi can quickly dispose of Kakashi, Gai, and Asuma.
Itachi / Nagato / Konan vs. Konoha
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TheMaster1
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Her bombs have the ability to be continuous, and Itachi would waste nearly all of his chakra facing those opponents, and that is where Konan comes in (After she's prep) to kill them all, then Itachi recovers his chakra and goes and help Nagato and the Realms fight Naruto.
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well is madara in the fight
nagato was either on his own and using his powers or stuck in his robot carrier thing and using the 6 paths bodies, and if its supposed to be a reenactment of the invasion but with itachi along for the ride then he'll be in his robot carrier.so hes current (without the dead part) nagato without rods in his back, but if he uses gedo to tear souls out like vs hanzo and danzo he'll just go to 6 paths? sounds to complicated for a single battle, it'd be easier just to say hes the same as the invasion already in the carrier and has rods in his back controling the bodies from afar.
TheMaster1
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konan's bombs dont have the ability to be continuous, the reason they blow for so long when vsing tobi is because she prepared six hundred billion explosives beforehand , she detonates them all over a period of ten minutes, longer than the five-minute period that Madara can remain intangible for.(from wiki)
since konan can prepare, konoha can prepare too~~ and since they fight at konoha, konoha will have the advantage since konan cant carry so much explosives with her
Professor Sarutobi
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she didn't really carry all the ones she used on madara either, she disguised them as the ocean they were fighting on, and shes made a huge tree for nagato to hide in during the invasion so she could disguise part of the forest or something ahead of time (if its supposed to be an assault on konoha by akatsuki she'd have time to set that up and they'd have their normal village defenses and such. I don't think she'd have anywhere near six hundred billion, but a few thousand wouldn't be out of question for her.
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yea she didnt carry them because they fought at the rain village where konan lives, but this times is the konoha where they fight. what im trying to say is that both konan and konoha can use explosives but konoha has the home advantage
Konoha doesn't get any prep time !
@Professor Sarutobi
Because he then won't use Gedo Mazda, which is his strongest summoning. Nagato can and will use Realms, but he's also not cripple in this fight and can fight like how Madara intends to vs Naruto and Killer B.
@TheMaster1
Konan has the advantage because she'll be involved in a sneak attack, and while everyone will be focused on Itachi/Nagato, she can create bombs across the village, killing weak Ninja along the way. The quantity of those bombs, would be thousands, which would defeat thousands of ninja. P
@Professor Sarutobi
Because he then won't use Gedo Mazda, which is his strongest summoning. Nagato can and will use Realms, but he's also not cripple in this fight and can fight like how Madara intends to vs Naruto and Killer B.
@TheMaster1
Konan has the advantage because she'll be involved in a sneak attack, and while everyone will be focused on Itachi/Nagato, she can create bombs across the village, killing weak Ninja along the way. The quantity of those bombs, would be thousands, which would defeat thousands of ninja. P
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Sai can just fly to escape Susanoo.Shino can make a shroud of bugs to to obscure itachi's vission and force him to use amaterasu on the bugs or fireball justu....either way it will still be chakra taxing.All this time Guy and lee are beating susanoo with trees and throwing boulders at it lol.Ok we should probably set some kind of point in the story because if jiraiya is alive that means noone in konoha has a clue about Pain's powers because they didn't have jiraiya's fight to reveal it ahead of time.
So that means they would have to figure him out by scratch. If jiraiya can do it by himself in the middle of battle for the most part i'm sure the geniuses of the leaf can figure him out.
Kakashi,Shikimaru,Shikaku,Neji,Inoichi,Tsunade. Orochimaru lol jkxd
is this with his current butterfly wings and stuff then maybe, remember the dog multiples itself and not even gamabunta or kyuubi mode naruto has killed it solo so unless jiraiya is taking it out for them i don't think choji and his clan using brute force is going to stop it while dealing with 6 others including the giant rhino and other ones.
I dont know the exact timeline of this thread because the thread starter hasn't made it clear and keeps adding things.
But yes i was talking about Choji with butterfly wings.
Like two or three of the Akimichi clan can handle the summons for a while while choji smashes the animal path and ends all the summons. The same way he smashed the android path.
neji sakura and tenten are going to take out the android path with missiles, giant lasers, chakra booster boots and the knife tail? i don't think it has chakra points like a human so i doubt neji's taijutsu would shut it down, sakura would be able to destroy it with her punch but only if she can get into close range, and when has tenten's weapons ever helped xd
Neji can use his air palm to block incoming missiles or rotation to block the lasers.Tenten can blitz it with one of her weapons such as that giant ball or alot of exploding tags.Sakura can hurl boulders at it lol and then smash that soda can.xd
Only if Guy was there, if we are going with a time before the invasion then they won't have info on each path so chances are guy will be fighting itachi or another path like you said before, and the paths won't be all split up miles apart so even if guy figures out he should go kill this specific path, the animal path can summon him away from guy or he can get other paths like deva to work together.
They wont be split up miles apart but they will be split apart just as pain did in the beginning of the invasion.But if the summoning path is dead then there is no one to keep the other paths out of danger, and even if she is not killed she will be too busy with other shinobi to summon the other paths out of harms way.
2 paths can steal souls, both naraka (who can do it with his questioning) who can also heal other paths, or human path who can instantly read someones entire mind then tear their souls out (which he did to shizune In Front of ino and her dad and sakura) and would ino and her dad's mind powers work on Nagato, who can apparently control people with his chakra like he tried to do on naruto?
He tried to control naruto but it didnt work.
He has to have those chakra recievers inside of the person anyway to control them.
well it can't be seen unless naraka path grabs a hold of someone so they can't even attack it, konohamaru watched naraka path tear someones soul out with it and couldn't see it himself so thats easy to figure out xd
easy to kill that dude he only grabbed weak people.
Thats all select groups vs single paths, nagato's biggest strength is his linked vision and teamwork of the different powers so it wouldn't be any of those konoha ninja group A kills Path A because they'd be working together, deva path would probably be the only one who'd be alone of the 6 paths because hes the strongest and even then if someones giving him real problems like kakashi and his group then a 2nd or 3rd path would just come.
They only work together on a single difficult opponent such as jiraiya or naruto.If they want to destroy a village they will split up to do so just as they did utilizing the divide and conquer strategy. If all six stood together it would make it easier to kill him.If deva is in trouble the 2nd or 3rd path cant just come because they would be engaged in battle as well and nagato wouldnt risk one of the paths turning their backs and getting destroyed.
thats assuming guy and lee havn't already used their gates to overwhelm Pain at some point, if they have then they face running out of time on keeping them open and running out of power before itachi is worn out. the others are back up and wouldn't stand up to itachi otherwise.
The only path guy and lee would have to open their gates up to would be deva path and someone is already taken care of that so he can save his gates for itachi dont worry.If Shikimaru gets a hold of itachi with Shadow posession he will be forced to use Susanoo because if he doesnt Guy and lee would kick box him to death.Also Shikimaru would make him lay down on his stomach so he could not cast genjutsu or burn people with amaterasu.
lol now danzo is fighting xd xd xd yeah right, he'd never help in the fight he'd rather let everyone else fight and die so he could come out as hokage in the aftermath, same reason he wasn't helping at the invasion. and If jiraiya is alive then none of them know about deva's powers or the other paths so who knows if any of them would even get that far to get deva by himself and keep them dead before nagato could revive the fallen paths (or itachi/konan i'd assume)
If jiraiya can figure pain out i think a whole village can for sure.What if some sensor ninja find the real Nagato and bring Inoichi to use his mind switch thing and either make him help kill Itachi or make the bodies tell their weaknesses or just kill him plain and sinple.
But if that many people were able to get to deva after everything else, whats stoping nagato from doing a encore of his destruction of konoha with shinra tensei, or a even bigger chibaku tensei at the start and crushing everyone in a small moon.
He could do that but what if kakashi sucks that black ball into anther dimension once he see's what its doing then Pain would be done because he exhausted most of his chakra for nothing.
Itachi can block lightning, i don't think guy or lee will get through susanoo and even if itachi can't catch them, their teammates are sitting ducks to the sword, sai and shino aren't fast enough to avoid attacks from susanoo imo. lol@sai finishing itachi off
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TheMaster1
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Kakashi Fang
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Thread is stupid he is trying his hardest to make a scenario where Konoha is destroyed. Making it a sneak attack and such.
Just keeps changing things!
Just keeps changing things!
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Professor Sarutobi
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he figured it out in a battle between him the 3 paths, i'm sure they would figure his powers out but by the time it helps much a lot of the mid-pack ninjas would have been taken out since they wouldn't be prepared for any of the paths abilities or the rinnegan's linked vision (assuming every single path isn't broken up since they won't be looking for naruto specificly to capture him right?):shrug:
well that would end the animal problem and be a huge dent to pain, but still thats assuming he can just smash the path, shes alone and doesn't summon something to take on choji for her.
his air palm isn't that big to hit all the missiles, he fires a bunch at once at different areas so if anything he'd need rotation for them and idk if he can block the laser, it was pretty big lol, and that only protects him, he can't protect others with rotation, sakura would probably be on healing duty for this fight honestly. but yeah IF she bunched him he'd break apart, but he still was able to fire missiles after getting a raikiri though the chest and smashed by choji (or his dad) giant punch so he might surprise attack them after and blow them up xd
guess it depends on if hes looking for naruto again like in the manga or just nuking konoha because if it is just trying to wipe out the village and doesn't need to find someone first then deva would just float above it and shinra tensei everyone at once and without tsunade's slug protecting and healing everyone, 90-95% of the population would be injured or dead with the cost of deva's powers at the start.
yeah because he has the fox, i doubt ino and her dad are strong enough to resist Pain's control but w/e lol
which? but if they aren't spreading out to look for naruto then they'd probably be grouped with a stronger path since human is easily the weakest out of close range and naraka is invaluable for being able to revive people and wouldn't be alone if their was a real risk of dieing.
yeah but they have (maybe jiraiya) naruto,kakashi,guy,yamato, all the other jounin/anbu, tsunade etc. to deal with right? so they'd be grouped up already fighting difficult opponents from the start so they wouldn't be picked off 1 by 1. besides with multiple paths together they cover each others backs with linked vision,.
well itachi isn't just waiting around while nagato loses all his paths either, hes either fighting itachi in the first place and using gates or fighting the paths without gates to save them for itachi. and what if deva and itachi are together? then he opens the 7th gate to take them both out? susanoo would definitely block afternoon tiger (sharingan would let him know that its not a chakra missile and itachi seems to know about guy already from their first meeting) and deva could crush guy and lee with shinra tenseis from inside susanoo's protection. and shikimaru's shadow has been overpowered by tayuya so why wouldn't itachi be able to resist/break it or (and its a big if considering how smart shika is) if he looks into itachi's eyes or at his hands he could be caught in genjutsu and lose control of his shadows then too, and itachi is great at taijutsu not just gen and nin, i wouldn't be suprised if he kept up with guy and lee (w/o gates) or out melees lee.
probably but depends how long it takes them mid fight, and it took naruto's sage mode and stabing one of nagato's rods into him to find the real nagato's hiding spot so besides maybe inoichi not every sensor would pick up on it
probably be too far for kamui :shrug:
lol still don't agree
Mark Uzumaki
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Pain already defeated Konoha by himself , so Konan & Itachi can sit back & watch him do what he does best & that's delivering pain to the world.
Now to Naruto , I am not saying that Naruto sage mode is weak , actually he is one of the best in the series,but if we look at their fight without outer interference ( excluding summonings ),Pain already defeated the sage mode using the chakra rods ,at this point he would've already killed him by stabbing him on ground , if he wasn't a Jinchuriki,but thanks to Hinata's interference & you know the rest.
Now to Naruto , I am not saying that Naruto sage mode is weak , actually he is one of the best in the series,but if we look at their fight without outer interference ( excluding summonings ),Pain already defeated the sage mode using the chakra rods ,at this point he would've already killed him by stabbing him on ground , if he wasn't a Jinchuriki,but thanks to Hinata's interference & you know the rest.
Kakashi Fang
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Despite what the thread starter said I'm making my scenario as if they knew they were about to fight each other.Ofcourse the village would be damned even more so if Nagato brought itachi along for the ride assuming Itachi helps him.The village was already destroyed because of the sneak attack.
Im just saying the village would win if Konoha got declared war upon...And they were outside the village on a real battlefield.
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Professor Sarutobi
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well that'd def make it a lot closer, konoha would still need a counter for village busting shinra tensei (not used on the village in this case but on the ninjas themselves) and chibaku tensei, Susanoo, and whatever konan throws at them like mass bombs or whatever she was planning to use on madara before he killed her (after she got stabbed) and they would be screwed if he pulled out the statue like against hanzo's army and that dragon ate everyone's souls.
most likely scenario imo, 4-5 of the pains get destroyed, itachi is all but worn out and resorted to susanoo fighting a group of konoha's best (depends on who jiraiya is going to be fighting either pain or itachi) and everyone who isn't the top brass of konoha has been blown away at this point so it might boil down to Deva path and possibly the absorbing path, konan and Susanoo-mode itachi vs naruto,Jiraiya, tsunade (might be worn out from mass healing like the invasion), Guy,Yamato, some of the side character's dads (shikaku,inochi,choza) and kakashi. i'm probably forgetting some but you know the kind i mean, the ones who actually put up a fight vs akatsuki lol
could go either way with who has what big guns left, has Deva used his large scale ST to crush the leaf's army does he have CT still, are all the other paths dead or does he have some left, what does Konan have left in her arsenal and how much chakra left, how long can itachi keep fighting with/without susanoo and what MS moves can he use before he dies.
Does Naruto have Sage mode (and SM clones) left or does he have the time to gather more nature chakra in the battle, is Jiraiya in SM already (since it takes such a long time for him to summon ma and pa normally or would they be there at the start of the fight since war was declared. Has Kakashi used Kamui all 3 times already and if not how many does he have left, does guy still have gates or did he use them to fight itachi or pain earlier, is tsunade worn out or can she help fight/heal more. can the others be of any use lol.
so open field and full knowledge maybe 50/50 depending on how it goes down with the big guns of the fight.