Itachi + Madara = World Domination?

SageOfTheTenPaths · Jan 19, 2014

KingFlawz said:
What are you, retarded?

Reported, learn to talk like an adult, not a child.

HiddenSound · Jan 19, 2014

SageOfTheTenPaths said:
Counter for IT & PS?

IT?
He doesn't have PS.

Itachi The Solo King said:
You are retarded always been and always will be

lol you're always so butthurt XD

SageOfTheTenPaths · Jan 19, 2014

KingFlawz said:
Take your own advice. You sound like you're a retarded 8 year old.

Reported again, just keep on going pal

xcoyote · Jan 19, 2014

Itachi The Solo King said:
You are retarded always been and always will be

Someone give this guy a tissue,he is about to cry.

Flawž · Jan 19, 2014

SageOfTheTenPaths said:
Reported again, just keep on going pal

Report me all you want, doesn't change anything.

14 year old obito > itachi

Ms obito > itachi

Tera Path · Jan 19, 2014

KingFlawz said:
Report me all you want, doesn't change anything.

14 year old obito > itachi

Ms obito > itachi

14 year old Obito>Itachi? idk about that though.
He might have Kamui but hes not as fast or as smart though, he could possibly win but i'm not too sure.

Ms Obito>itachi
Not a doubt, Obito wins.
Kamui is too broken.

Flawž · Jan 19, 2014

Tera Path said:
14 year old Obito>Itachi? idk about that though.
He might have Kamui but hes not as fast or as smart though, he could possibly win but i'm not too sure.

Ms Obito>itachi
Not a doubt, Obito wins.
Kamui is too broken.

14 year old obito with:

Kamui
Kyuubi

Takes itachi mid-low diff.

Xēnovia. · Jan 20, 2014

It doesn't take much for a thread of this caliber to go down hill fast. lol

Tera Path · Jan 20, 2014

KingFlawz said:
14 year old obito with:

Kamui
Kyuubi

Takes itachi mid-low diff.

You're giving him 100% kyuubi?
Bro you got to be kidding me right now.
Only way to make it fair now is if Itachi was healthy with EMS and PS.

Flawž · Jan 20, 2014

Tera Path said:
You're giving him 100% kyuubi?
Bro you got to be kidding me right now.
Only way to make it fair now is if Itachi was healthy with EMS and PS.

Thats the thing, 14 year old obito has controll of Kurama.

Prime 14 year old obito beats itachi rather easily.

You see where im going with this. Lol

VongolaX · Jan 20, 2014

Itachi would be holding Madara back, Obito is so much better

Helikido · Jan 20, 2014

HiddenSound said:
Counter for Kamui?

Counter for KA, Tsukiyomi, Yata Mirror, Susanoo, Amaturasu?

Exactly. Look at how many one shot techniques itachi has and how many obito has. Yata mirror> All jutsu. KA> all minds.

Obito will get murdered by 13 year old itachi.

xcoyote · Jan 20, 2014

Helikido said:
Counter for KA, Tsukiyomi, Yata Mirror, Susanoo, Amaturasu?

Exactly. Look at how many one shot techniques itachi has and how many obito has. Yata mirror> All jutsu. KA> all minds.

Obito will get murdered by 13 year old itachi.

Obito warps the ****.

Helikido · Jan 20, 2014

xcoyote said:
Obito warps the ****.

How can he warp him if he can't even approach him you dimwit? KA makes obito itachi's pet.

HiddenSound · Jan 20, 2014

Helikido said:
Counter for KA, Tsukiyomi, Yata Mirror, Susanoo, Amaturasu?

Exactly. Look at how many one shot techniques itachi has and how many obito has. Yata mirror> All jutsu. KA> all minds.

Obito will get murdered by 13 year old itachi.

Kamui literally counters all of those but KA. But even then, would Itachi use such a tool on Obito? Odds are, no, seeing how he was saving that for Naruto and Sasuke. Also, Obito has knowledge of KA and odds are, has the mental fortitude to withstand it, as shown when he mentally dominated a god.
Also, he can bypass Susano'o altogether.
I apologize in advance if I've made you upset, I know how sensitive you guys are.

xcoyote · Jan 20, 2014

Helikido said:
How can he warp him if he can't even approach him you dimwit? KA makes obito itachi's pet.

The ****g ends up rotting in Kamui Land.

Flawž · Jan 20, 2014

HiddenSound said:
Kamui literally counters all of those but KA. But even then, would Itachi use such a tool on Obito? Odds are, no, seeing how he was saving that for Naruto and Sasuke. Also, Obito has knowledge of KA and odds are, has the mental fortitude to withstand it, as shown when he mentally dominated a god.
Also, he can bypass Susano'o altogether.
I apologize in advance if I've made you upset, I know how sensitive you guys are.

Obito Can counter KA by Being intangable. he leaves his head in kamui world.

Obito knows about itachi's Genjutsu prowess and will be careful.

Itachi can't do nothing to obito. No counter for kamui.

Helikido · Jan 20, 2014

HiddenSound said:
Kamui literally counters all of those but KA. But even then, would Itachi use such a tool on Obito? Odds are, no, seeing how he was saving that for Naruto and Sasuke. Also, Obito has knowledge of KA and odds are, has the mental fortitude to withstand it, as shown when he mentally dominated a god.
Also, he can bypass Susano'o altogether.
I apologize in advance if I've made you upset, I know how sensitive you guys are.

The best I see it is it being a stalemate. Yata mirror counters Kamui and any jutsu of any form. Kamui counters all physical ninjutsu that itachi has. If one is to win, it most likely will be Itachi. He is much smarter and has many more one shot techniques. KA cannot be broken, because you wouldn't even know you are being controlled by it.

HiddenSound · Jan 20, 2014

For those who feel the need to "debate" me or whatever you'd like to call it, I don't feel like looking through all your bullshit, so I'll leave this little doodad here.

AkatsukiChurch said:
The Ultimate Uchiha is?

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Conditions of the Battle.

Itachi is healthy, but does not have his KA Crow. Obito is MS Obito that was in the Akatsuki, but he is not allowed to use Izanagi.

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Restrictions: Izanagi, Koto Amatsukami, Gedo Mazou.

Knowledge: Basic Manga Knowledge.

Location: Uchiha Hideout.

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Distance: 35m.

Battle Music:

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How does MS Obito overcome healthy MS Itachi in a 1v1 battle?

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Lets start off with Itachi's minor abilities such as his elemental affinites and clones before we go onto his MS abilities. Of course, Itachi's elemental affinities don't possess a threat to Obito, however I'll show you how Obito counters them anyways. As we know, Itachi possess a
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and
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affinity. Now how does Obito counter these? The most obvious choice would be Kamui which allows him just to slip through both of these attacks and coming out unaffected. However, there are more ways to counter this than just Kamui. The second one would be Obito's own Katon which is as big as the Juubi itself. Not only would this overpower Itachi's Suiton or Katon, it would also force Itachi to activate Susano'o in order to defend himself.

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The third way would just be
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quickly with his Kamui. As you can see, Obito was confident enough to state that he could warp Minato before he teleports so teleporting a simple Katon or Suiton quickly won't be a problem. This leaves only Itachi's Crow Summonings and clones, normal Genjutsu and CQC capabilities. His Crows won't be a problem since Obito will be able to still see Itachi's Chakra despite the Crows flooding the battlefield which allows Obito to either;

a) Warp away from the crows.
b) Kill them with Katon.

Meaning that the Crow Summonings aren't any threat at all. Clones themselves won't really be a problem either since it's already been shown that Itachi can create only one clone at a time which Obito will see as soon as Itachi creates it. Tricking Obito with clones and trying to attack him head on with them won't be successful as Obito has already fought and effortlessly destroyed Naruto's own clones.

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Obito isn't someone who is going to get tricked by them and an exploding clone won't work either because much
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, Obito will see through it and use Kamui to pass through the explosion. Getting rid off the clones with
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or a punch will do the trick and if needed, Katon can help him wipe them out completely. Itachi's Shuriken jutsu will be countered by Kamui since Obito will simply pass through it leaving Obito only to counter Itachi's CQC capabilities and normal Genjutsu.
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CQC is Itachi's only chance to try and bypass Kamui, however that chance isn't going to become reality. Here is explained how going into CQC with Obito won't help even an expert like Gai to push him to his five minute Kamui limit.

Like explained above, Itachi wouldn't be capable of keep throwing kicks and punches at Obito for five minutes constantly since there are obviously gaps between each kick and punch. Obito can either warp away since he was confident enough to be capable of warping away Minato before he could teleport if he starts warping away as soon as he grabs him, and
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before it managed to turn Sasuke into dust and lastly, he was capable of warping away
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. He'd simply warp away or go underground if he wants to escape from Itachi or he can just stand there and keep on using Kamui everytime Itachi's kick or punch comes at him until Itachi realizes that it's pointless. As Konan stated, her bombs are non-stop without any gaps. Itachi's punches and kicks have gaps since he has to swing his limbs and they have to reach Obito. And unlike Konan, he can't take away the ground from Obito.

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However, entering CQC would also help Obito to kill off Itachi since as soon as Itachi enters CQC with him Obito can trick him by letting Itachi slip through him and then quickly
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. Or he can simply do
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and kill Itachi as soon as he enters CQC with him. Using Shurikens and Kunais against Obito is ineffective and not only because of Kamui. Obito could stop Zabuza or in this case Suigetsu's Blade
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. And he has absolutely no trouble of tanking something like Chidori or
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Moving onto Itachi's Genjutsu. I'll just target the Tsukuyomi itself since it's Itachi's strongest Genjutsu, however it should be rather obvious as to why Obito can break out of Tsukuyomi. First of all, lets see
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in order to be capable of breaking out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi. A Sharingan and a Kekkei Genkai? Obito has both;

a) Obito is a Sharingan user.
b) Mokuton is Obito's Kekkei Genkai.
c) And lastly, Obito is an Uchiha just like Itachi.

By this we can conclude that Obito can break out of Tsukuyomi. However, for non-believers I shall explain a bit better. Against Obito, Tsukuyomi won't be a problem since even someone like
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. Obito is much more experienced than both Itachi and Sasuke. Not to mention that at the age of 14,
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and
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despite
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. In the end; Obito even mind wrestled with the Juubi itself and won. Breaking out of Tsukuyomi won't be much of a trouble for him.

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Lets move onto Amaterasu now. Well,
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should explain everything. Pay attention to the underlined text. Obito has already countered Amaterasu canonically before it could even burn any of his clothes. As soon as Itachi uses Amaterasu, Obito will either see it coming
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and let it pass through him or he'll counter it by absorbing it with Kamui after it appears on his body.

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The only thing left that Itachi has in his arsenal is the Susano'o which would help him against attacks like Obito's Katon, however, Obito has multiple ways of getting past the Susano'o. If needed, Obito can easily
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, preventing it from moving around. Then he can kill off Itachi by using his Mokuton which would appear under Itachi's feet and imaple him since he won't be capable of moving out of the way due to being trapped in Uchiha Kaejin and Susano'o won't protect him since it's an attack from underground.

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That's the easiest way, however, if Obito wishes he can simply use Kamui to either
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without Itachi even knowing that or
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and then warp him. [
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] And the most last option is to just wait until Itachi overuses his MS and drops dead. On the other hand, all of Susano'os attacks will be stopped by either the Uchiha Kaejin or Obito will pass through them using Kamui.
Side Point; ''Obito was afraid of Itachi.''

This is an argument Itachi fantards bring up all the time in order to try and prove Obito's inferiority to Itachi. They believe that Itachi beats him just because Obito stated
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. If you actually read the manga, you would know what Obito meant here;

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Obito kept secrets from Itachi so that he doesn't sell him off to Konoha. In no way did he mean that Itachi is superior battle-wise to him when he stated that. He was merely troubled by the fact that Itachi would tell Konoha about him. More so, even Itachi admitted inferiority to Itachi.

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He stated that he needs to gain Sasuke's eyes in order to surpass ''Madara''. And now ask yourself, who is Madara in Itachi's eyes? Obito. Basically he stated that he would need EMS to surpass MS Obito or ''Madara''.
The Winner is:

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Helikido · Jan 20, 2014

HiddenSound said:
For those who feel the need to "debate" me or whatever you'd like to call it, I don't feel like looking through all your bullshit, so I'll leave this little doodad here.

Horrible analysis since it takes the side of one character. There is nothing that mentions KA or yata mirror, two deciding factors in the fight.

Full of bullshit? Thats you buddy.

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