Itachi just have the better arsenal, get over it.

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Minato's abiliites were never fully revealed. We never saw his nature transformation. You don't become Kage with Rasengan and a S/T jutsu. I mean, look at Hashi: he built a village with a hand clap.

Look at Tobirama: strongest Suiton user ever, S/T jutsus, raised the dead.

Hiruzen? Acclaimed to have had 1000 jutsus.

Minato? Rasengan and FTG. Derp.

EVEN SO, I still feel like Minato would give Itachi a run for his money. With him being resurrected, I hope we will see more of his jutsus, but seeing as how he is Minato Nami-****ing-kaze I believe he will kick some serious ass, making it clear that he is stronger than Itachi.
 

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But Itachi was also known as a genies and Uchiha prodigy. My point is still valid because and it's still a fact that Guy was the only one to create such tactic against the Uchiha prowess.
More over, in the fight between Minato and Obito, they had a little conversation and Obito manage to catch his attention. Now imagine their fight with Itachi. Do you think they will just start fighting? There are many possibilities. Like I said Minato lacks screen time. His intelligence and battle knowledge isn't enough to overcome the inevitable- being caught in the genjutsu. Tsukoyomi is basically a one shot jutsu, that's why fanboys rather talking about Itachi's solo.
Unlike him Jiraya had his toads on his side. Minato has never fought genjutsu user, so it's stay as a fact that Minato just Kakashi couldn't predict the the outcome of this jutsu. Furthermore unlike Sasuke Minato doesn't have anything against such ability. Kishi just manage to make it clear that he can't overcome it. If it was needed he could give him the power to avoid genjutsu, but it wasn't necessary, because he never fight a genjutsu specialist which is Itachi.

Do you see that we even doesn't arguing over ninjutsu. There are many possibilities about the genjutsu which isn't even his fullest arsenal. What about Susano'o, totsuka blade and yata mirror? Minato lacks power.

And btw Chatte why did you move that thread, it wasn't supposed to cause a flame war.:shy:

And who said he wasn't? You clearly missed the part where I said that these two will fight more intelligence-wise rather than other way.
Your point is valid concerning Gai, Asuma and Kurenai, not Minato who, as I told you, had a sharingan user in his team and the contexts are different. It's not a rocket science to know that you don't have to look in the sharingan eye in order to not fall under genjutsu. Gai had it's own tactic from the Taijutsu point of view, but Minato doesn't even need that as his prowess stands in other things, not taijutsu.
Catching his attention doesn't equal with catching in genjutsu. Minato may lack screen time, but doesn't lack feats. And how exactly isn't enough? In the battle with Obito he did the basic thing, didn't look in his eyes. It says a lot.
Yes, Tsukuyomi is basically a one-shot jutsu, but if you don't catch your target into that, how do you one-shot them? In both cases when he caught targets into Tsukuyomi was because Kakashi entered there, thinking he can overcome it by having the sharingan, and Sasuke was blinded by rage. Also, you seem to miss a thing about Tsukuyomi. It is a jutsu that breaks one's spirit. If someone is strong-willed, might as well, escape it. If I remember fairly, when Itachi fought Sasuke and "ate" that Tsukuyomi, it was implied that Sasuke's will to win over Itachi was what it made him overcome the Tsukuyomi, not his sharingan. Sharingan was just another tool.
How can you keep repeating that Minato has never fought genjutsu user? What it's Obito? A Hyuuga? And you keep repeating that thing with the toads yet it was proven by you not only by me, but by others that one has the access to all toads once you sign a contract with them.
About Kakashi, I explained you earlier in the post. Minato has nothing? What is the no. 1 weapon against a sharingan user? Oh, yes, I remember... Speed! Guess who is the fastest character in this manga? Or, well, now, second fastest? Anyway, you know the answer.
Yes, Minato.
I don't quite understand your last part... Susano'o, Totsuka and Yata... well, sorry, I don't know much about Minato, but I do know about FTG. What can it do to someone who instantly teleports himself? That doesn't take Minato chakra, whereas Susano'o drains the life-force of the user. So taking those out would only be into Itachi's disadvantage.
 

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And who said he wasn't? You clearly missed the part where I said that these two will fight more intelligence-wise rather than other way.
Your point is valid concerning Gai, Asuma and Kurenai, not Minato who, as I told you, had a sharingan user in his team and the contexts are different. It's not a rocket science to know that you don't have to look in the sharingan eye in order to not fall under genjutsu. Gai had it's own tactic from the Taijutsu point of view, but Minato doesn't even need that as his prowess stands in other things, not taijutsu.
Catching his attention doesn't equal with catching in genjutsu. Minato may lack screen time, but doesn't lack feats. And how exactly isn't enough? In the battle with Obito he did the basic thing, didn't look in his eyes. It says a lot.
Yes, Tsukuyomi is basically a one-shot jutsu, but if you don't catch your target into that, how do you one-shot them? In both cases when he caught targets into Tsukuyomi was because Kakashi entered there, thinking he can overcome it by having the sharingan, and Sasuke was blinded by rage. Also, you seem to miss a thing about Tsukuyomi. It is a jutsu that breaks one's spirit. If someone is strong-willed, might as well, escape it. If I remember fairly, when Itachi fought Sasuke and "ate" that Tsukuyomi, it was implied that Sasuke's will to win over Itachi was what it made him overcome the Tsukuyomi, not his sharingan. Sharingan was just another tool.
How can you keep repeating that Minato has never fought genjutsu user? What it's Obito? A Hyuuga? And you keep repeating that thing with the toads yet it was proven by you not only by me, but by others that one has the access to all toads once you sign a contract with them.
About Kakashi, I explained you earlier in the post. Minato has nothing? What is the no. 1 weapon against a sharingan user? Oh, yes, I remember... Speed! Guess who is the fastest character in this manga? Or, well, now, second fastest? Anyway, you know the answer.
Yes, Minato.
I don't quite understand your last part... Susano'o, Totsuka and Yata... well, sorry, I don't know much about Minato, but I do know about FTG. What can it do to someone who instantly teleports himself? That doesn't take Minato chakra, whereas Susano'o drains the life-force of the user. So taking those out would only be into Itachi's disadvantage.

Why do all of Minato fans overrating his battle knowledge? How is suppose a man who never faced tsukoyomi to prevent something that caught in a genjutsu one of the most intelligent and wise shinobi in this manga- Kakashi, just to make the excuse for Minato, that he can't actually avoid Itachi's genjutsu. No one did it. Gai is an exception. And we already agreed that he's the only one capable to both fight and not seeing his eyes.

Unlike Minato, Itachi does know that people calling him the yellow flash so he'd e aware of his speed. And here is the difference between the knowledge of this fight.
You can't say that Minato is suppose to throw all of his kunai randomly and start flying around. Even if Itachi allowed him Minato can't mark him throw Itachi's defense. Furthermore Itachi would use his clones.

And here is the other thing, Minato doesn't have the eyes to see throw this genjutsu, he can't disturb his chakra, once he's caught in it the beggining of their fight actually start. And seeing Kakashi's chakra levels, seeing that Minato is also from a family not from strong clan he's chakra level's are the same if not worse than Kakashi, so even if he overcome tsukoyomi he'd more exhausted than Itachi. Which is another win for him, and Itachi is even sick, nuff said.

That's why this thread was suppose to be to it's another direction not here, because now it's death... people have to understand whos gotta better chance of wining and not what's some guys trying to say over and over again.
 
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MrSimple, I will go ahead and say that no great fight ended with genjutsu. It seems like a cheap trick to beat the lesser minds ( Deidara, Danzo... )

Minato was a highly analytical shinobi. His intelligence beats Kakashi's.

Now I am not saying Minato is stronger. If Itachi pops Susano'o he can only outlast him ( and he will since Susano'o burns chakra like a bitch ), but I highly doubt that a KAGE would lose a fight due to genjutsu.
 

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wtf amerusu burns his tags and even if he touches itachi and put a tag on his body. minoto still cant get past sussono and dont say he goes threw. when we aslo seen sasuke try to go threw with physical attach and it didnt work.
You do realize minato can automatically use the seal by hand he doesn't need the kunai its just a way to travel faster right? , And did you seriously just say that if minato marks itachi than susanoo will stop him from getting to him? LMFAO! Im gonna have fun with you i can see that now...(even tho i usually don't respond to trolls)ok hows susanoo gonna stop a S/T technique that instantly transports him to the spot that he marked THROUGH A DIMENSIONAL VOID?
 

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Minato doesn't need to get through Susano'o. Itachi's stamina is a joke and Susano'o burns chakra like a furnance. Minato just has to FTG ( which costs near 0 chakra ) around Susano'o. Hell, if I were him I would put Kunais/tags in a circle around Susano'o and FTG between ( imagine 1 - 12 as a clock ) 6 and 12 constantly, making Itachi have to turn the whole Susano'o to even see me.

He will win by attrition.
 

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Why do all of Minato fans overrating his battle knowledge? How is suppose a man who never faced tsukoyomi to prevent something that caught in a genjutsu one of the most intelligent and wise shinobi in this manga- Kakashi, just to make the excuse for Minato, that he can't actually avoid Itachi's genjutsu. No one did it. Gai is an exception. And we already agreed that he's the only one capable to both fight and not seeing his eyes.

Unlike Minato, Itachi does know that people calling him the yellow flash so he'd e aware of his speed. And here is the difference between the knowledge of this fight.
You can't say that Minato is suppose to throw all of his kunai randomly and start flying around. Even if Itachi allowed him Minato can't mark him throw Itachi's defense. Furthermore Itachi would use his clones.

And here is the other thing, Minato doesn't have the eyes to see throw this genjutsu, he can't disturb his chakra, once he's caught in it the beggining of their fight actually start. And seeing Kakashi's chakra levels, seeing that Minato is also from a family not from strong clan he's chakra level's are the same if not worse than Kakashi, so even if he overcome tsukoyomi he'd more exhausted than Itachi. Which is another win for him, and Itachi is even sick, nuff said.

That's why this thread was suppose to be to it's another direction not here, because now it's death... people have to understand whos gotta better chance of wining and not what's some guys trying to say over and over again.

I'm not even a Minato fan and I told you that, personally. :| I even told you I like Itachi more than Minato. Actually, Itachi is among my fav. but not for these silly things such as powers and stuf. And I'm not overrating him. Sorry if Kishi made it this way, making many important figures in this manga talk about his prowess in being a shinobi, his prowess in battle tactics and intelligence. He made the Rasengan after observing a Bijuu... How many shinobis did that? Not even Hashirama who is said to be a legend. So sorry for that, it's not my fault, once again. :|
What I was doing here, is showing you that if you consider that something goes the way you want, it doesn't mean that things would work that way.
About that Kakashi/Gai situation i've explained you 3 times now, that situations differ! Chiyo had no info on his Tsukuyomi yet she did know how to deal a sharingan. Really now? Can you at least stop being stubborn and apply comprehensive skills to understand why the situation here is different? As I said, I explained 3 times what is different.
Ok, so if he knows about his speed, tell me, what can he do against it? Sometimes having knowledge doesn't help you if you cannot do something about that knowledge.
Actually, I can say that he throws all of his kunais randomly, or not. He's done it before in the manga.
And while Minato's way doesn't take any chakra, Itachi's Susano'o takes from the user's life force. In the end, he'll be forced to close down Susano'o. Unless he's willing to die...
You know that what you said has no relevance, right? How can you say he can't disturb his chakra? Every shinobi can do that. And if Naruto was able to do it a bit, imagine Minato. Naruto does Rasengan with one clone, while his father did rasengan with one hand. Talks a lot about the differences in chakra control about those two.
Being from a clan, has nothing to do with being good with what you do. By that logic, Sakura should've never been medic, because, she's not from a clan. Poor example, I know, but the premise is the same.
And sorry, but I end it here. You seriously underestimate Minato and overestimate Itachi. You don't even take into consideration what people tell you, you keep going with your same idea, though I used your own arguments and showed you how Minato's skills can be applied.
Nothing of such thing, with you and Itachi though.
And regarding your last sentence, what you must understand is that the arsenal he has, doesn't make it better.
A novice with a stone can win over an experienced with a kunai, or how was it?
It doesn't matter how many things you have in your arsenal. It matters how you use your arsenal given your opponent.
 

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how many fight's have we seen Minato actually serieously fight?

Minato: 2 (versus Kyuubi and A-B combo)

Itachi: (versus Sasuke, Deidara, Kakashi/Asuma/Kurania, Kabuto, Naruto/Bee)

We barely know sh8t about Minato, except that he was Hokage level by the age of 19-21
 

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Why do all of Minato fans overrating his battle knowledge? How is suppose a man who never faced tsukoyomi to prevent something that caught in a genjutsu one of the most intelligent and wise shinobi in this manga- Kakashi, just to make the excuse for Minato, that he can't actually avoid Itachi's genjutsu. No one did it. Gai is an exception. And we already agreed that he's the only one capable to both fight and not seeing his eyes.

Unlike Minato, Itachi does know that people calling him the yellow flash so he'd e aware of his speed. And here is the difference between the knowledge of this fight.
You can't say that Minato is suppose to throw all of his kunai randomly and start flying around. Even if Itachi allowed him Minato can't mark him throw Itachi's defense. Furthermore Itachi would use his clones.

And here is the other thing, Minato doesn't have the eyes to see throw this genjutsu, he can't disturb his chakra, once he's caught in it the beggining of their fight actually start. And seeing Kakashi's chakra levels, seeing that Minato is also from a family not from strong clan he's chakra level's are the same if not worse than Kakashi, so even if he overcome tsukoyomi he'd more exhausted than Itachi. Which is another win for him, and Itachi is even sick, nuff said.

That's why this thread was suppose to be to it's another direction not here, because now it's death... people have to understand whos gotta better chance of wining and not what's some guys trying to say over and over again.

Not a fan nor am I overrating. He didn't become Hokage for no reason.
 

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how many fight's have we seen Minato actually serieously fight?

Minato: 2 (versus Kyuubi and A-B combo)

Itachi: (versus Sasuke, Deidara, Kakashi/Asuma/Kurania, Kabuto, Naruto/Bee)

We barely know sh8t about Minato, except that he was Hokage level by the age of 19-21

Honestly, all of Itachi's fights were ''eh''. He never fought for his life. He toyed with Sasuke, wanting to let him win and STILL winning, as for the others he simply owned them ( except Naruto/Bee. I'm positive they would've beaten him. )
 

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Also, Minato had a sharingan user among his students. What makes you think he has no knowledge about it?

Minato have never see Obito with a sharingan,(execpt with a mask)

and at that moment Kakashi sharingan wasn't develop at all, and he have only one year to study a non-matured sharingan.


So with against a ultra developped sharingan user.................
 

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Kishi didn't even bother to keep Itachi alive because he knew his level wasn't good enough for what is happening currently in the manga. That's why he called the 4previous Hokages instead who he definited as the 3rd power. The one who know everything is them, the one who kicked Madara's or Obito's ass are among them, the only one who could counter Madara, Obito and Juubi is them. That's why Kishi summoned them and left Itachi inside his grave

i died at this yet ftg and rasengan is enough to compete with them no actually know one is on there level they have the most op techs in nv sharingan rinnegan and mokuton no need for ftg or off brand rasengan techs there said the one who know everything not the ones who can do everything

via hashirama is the only who is near obito or madara's level minato is about itachi level
 

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From what we have seen, yes.
 

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where all the lap dog senjus but eaters to defend there lord lol

OHHHH. You meant to say, "Where are all the lap dog-Senju butt-eaters, and why haven't they begun to defend their lord? Lol."
 

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how many fight's have we seen Minato actually serieously fight?

Minato: 2 (versus Kyuubi and A-B combo)

Itachi: (versus Sasuke, Deidara, Kakashi/Asuma/Kurania, Kabuto, Naruto/Bee)

We barely know sh8t about Minato, except that he was Hokage level by the age of 19-21

In that case Minato's fans have to agree that Itachi has the better chance of wining.
 

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In that case Minato's fans have to agree that Itachi has the better chance of wining.

The only way I can see Itachi winning is Genjutsu. Anything else will end in Minato winning since Itachi's stamina is crap.
 

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The only way I can see Itachi winning is Genjutsu. Anything else will end in Minato winning since Itachi's stamina is crap.

proof itachis stamina is crap? because last time i checked itachi was sick and wasted chakra using ama unnecessarily on sasuke the last time he fought (alive)
 

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The only way I can see Itachi winning is Genjutsu. Anything else will end in Minato winning since Itachi's stamina is crap.

Unbelievable, they finally start to agree about Itachi's genjutsu. At long last...
He lacks stamina due to his sickness.
 
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