Itachi just have the better arsenal, get over it.

[MrSimple]

This is common sense given that the Uchiha were known for their genjutsu prowess.



I did explain about the finger genjutsu on the previous page.

Minato doesn't have information about Itachi.

Kakashi live long enough to get that info, but he failed. Kakashi is well known tactician.

 

[Bogard]

Kishi didn't even bother to keep Itachi alive because he knew his level wasn't good enough for what is happening currently in the manga. That's why he called the 4previous Hokages instead who he definited as the 3rd power. The one who know everything is them, the one who kicked Madara's or Obito's ass are among them, the only one who could counter Madara, Obito and Juubi is them. That's why Kishi summoned them and left Itachi inside his grave

 

[lol99]

So I give it to Itachi. He had enough screen time.

well well what is this, itachi fans panicking because he is now dead and irrelevant, why make such a thread when its possible that a fight is coming.
as for summons

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Kishi didn't even bother to keep Itachi alive because he knew his level wasn't good enough for what is happening currently in the manga. That's why he called the 4previous Hokages instead who he definited as the 3rd power. The one who know everything is them, the one who kicked Madara's or Obito's ass are among them, the only one who could counter Madara, Obito and Juubi is them. That's why Kishi summoned them and left Itachi inside his grave

damn thats just harsh Bogard

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[Chatte]

Minato doesn't have information about Itachi.

Kakashi live long enough to get that info, but he failed. Kakashi is well known tactician.

He has enough information about Uchihas to know that he has to fight them that way.
Chiyo knew about this and she was from another village.
What makes you think that Minato wouldn't?
She even said that the basics is NOT to look into their eyes.
If someone from another village knew it, someone within the village would.
It's logical.

 

[YellowFlash1]

Minato doesn't have information about Itachi.

Kakashi live long enough to get that info, but he failed. Kakashi is well known tactician.

Kakashi fail at what? He got caught in tsukuyomi in part 1... Then in part two, he even stated that he wouldn't get caught twise... He never failed when he had the information... I already proved that Minato has knowledge on Itachi..

 

[MrSimple]

Kishi didn't even bother to keep Itachi alive because he knew his level wasn't good enough for what is happening currently in the manga. That's why he called the 4previous Hokages instead who he definited as the 3rd power. The one who know everything is them, the one who kicked Madara's or Obito's ass are among them, the only one who could counter Madara, Obito and Juubi is them. That's why Kishi summoned them and left Itachi inside his grave

That's something different. And let's say you are right about his lack of level to stay alive. Why he was summoned back then? Because he was actually strong. Why he was the only one capable to stop Kabuto without killing him? Because he was a great shinobi. He called himself Leaf's Itachi till the very end.

I'm sure that if his role was different he could be chosen for Hokage one day. He loves both Uchiha and Konoha.

 

[Robot Boy]

Still trying to keep it up. Lol.

Then I will do the same. Well not always every now and then...what with training...

 

[YellowFlash1]

Kishi didn't even bother to keep Itachi alive because he knew his level wasn't good enough for what is happening currently in the manga. That's why he called the 4previous Hokages instead who he definited as the 3rd power. The one who know everything is them, the one who kicked Madara's or Obito's ass are among them, the only one who could counter Madara, Obito and Juubi is them. That's why Kishi summoned them and left Itachi inside his grave

That's true.. I believe Itachi has his moments in the sun, when he came back and reversed "Edo Tensei"...

 

[Chatte]

Also, Minato had a sharingan user among his students. What makes you think he has no knowledge about it?

 

[MrSimple]

Also, Minato had a sharingan user among his students. What makes you think he has no knowledge about it?

Because he fought Tobi.
Imagine if Tobi could use Izanagi. That's right- game over. Minato was looking him directly into his eyes.
Think about now of a genjutsu user Chatte ^^.

Also young Obito was weak and couldn't use basic genjutsu probably.

 

[Chatte]

Because he fought Tobi.
Imagine if Tobi could use Izanagi. That's right- game over. Minato was looking him directly into his eyes.
Think about now of a genjutsu user Chatte ^^.

No, it wouldn't be game over. On the contrary, he would give more information to Minato. He is not that dumb. He understood the basic of his jutsu in mere seconds. Karin was able to figure Danzo's Izanagi... And no bragging about her intelligence either in the manga.
And I didn't quite understand the last part, lol.

 

[Robot Boy]

Because he fought Tobi.
Imagine if Tobi could use Izanagi. That's right- game over. Minato was looking him directly into his eyes.
Think about now of a genjutsu user Chatte ^^.

Also young Obito was weak and couldn't use basic genjutsu probably.

yeah, at the cost of his other sharingan, so its a risk. Obito would use izanagi as a last resort not as an end-game move. I don't think it works like that.

 

[YellowFlash1]

Because he fought Tobi.
Imagine if Tobi could use Izanagi. That's right- game over. Minato was looking him directly into his eyes.
Think about now of a genjutsu user Chatte ^^.

Also young Obito was weak and couldn't use basic genjutsu probably.

Izanagi is a genjutsu that is cast on the user instead of others....

Minato only look in to his eye's when he was in-tangled... The moment he knew he was tangible, he never looked directly in to his eye's ....

You can see in this picture he avoided contact with his eye's....

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[MrSimple]

No, it wouldn't be game over. On the contrary, he would give more information to Minato. He is not that dumb. He understood the basic of his jutsu in mere seconds. Karin was able to figure Danzo's Izanagi... And no bragging about her intelligence either in the manga.
And I didn't quite understand the last part, lol.

Karin is not Minato
Just as Karin is not Kakashi
Naruto
Bee
Orochimaru
Even Sasuke
and the rest
All of them had really no answer about not fighting him without looking into his eyes.
The same goes for Minato. He never fought genjutsu user. Why? because once trapped into it is basically game over for him if that jutsu is powerful enough. That's right if that jutsu is tsukoyomi Minato can't overcome it.

Minato needs his toads which doesn't even exist.
Canon is something we have seen in it in the manga.

 

[Chatte]

Karin is not Minato
Just as Karin is not Kakashi
Naruto
Bee
Orochimaru
Even Sasuke
and the rest
All of them had really no answer about not fighting him without looking into his eyes.
The same goes for Minato. He never fought genjutsu user. Why? because once trapped into it is basically game over for him if that jutsu is powerful enough. That's right if that jutsu is tsukoyomi Minato can't overcome it.

Minato needs his toads which doesn't even exist.
Canon is something we have seen in it in the manga.

I know X is not Y. The example was that if someone who wasn't bragged about his intelligence, was able to understand the mechanics of a jutsu, someone who was always bragged about it, called genius multiple times, should be more than perfect in understanding how some basics of a jutsu work.
And that is Minato.
Naruto is Naruto... we know that at that time, he had little to no info about it. As well, Uchihas were exterminated when he was born. So, little to no info about how to do it. Whereas in Minato's time, Uchihas still existed.
Bee wanted to fight that way, he acted all cool and stuff. However, Bee wasn't praised with intelligence and understanding the mechanics of a jutsu like Minato was. And if I remember, when he said don't look into my eyes Bee said I know.
Orochimaru. The all-time debated one. Orochimaru didn't even intended to attack him back then. He was just wanting to get more info about it. He got into the genjutsu more willingly. Too bad he didn't expected that coming and underestimated Itachi. One does simply not do that. But neither with Minato.
Sasuke wanted to fight that way. Remember it was a fight between the eyes, between sharingan prowess.
So, before giving these examples, look at the context. They might look similar, but they don't match.
You can't apply what happened to every character to a character. Contexts were different. Not all characters have the same abilities, nor the same intelligence, etc.
They act differently than the characters you're trying to compare them to.
Usually people always think from 1 character perspective when they start a debate. Nothing more wrong.
When you put them in vs, look at both character overall characteristics, ask yourself what x could do if y attacks him, given his abilities, intellect, etc. Never put one above the another. Place them as equals and then start calculating, to say like this.
But if you start going like everyone does, most of the times, with the premise that your character wins because you only take into calculation his abilities and characteristics, without taking the other one's abilities, without looking into how the other acts, given certain situations, that's why you start with the wrong premise that your character wins and the other one can't win.
Same thing Minato fans to when "countering".

In order to have a good debate, you must always, always take both characters into consideration, their abilities, intelligence, behavior in a context of a battle, but observing that battle.

It's not because Itachi has genjutsu that he can win, neither because Minato has FTG. Nothing more wrong!

Between these two, it's a battle of intelligence, brains, more than techniques.

 

[MrSimple]

I know X is not Y. The example was that if someone who wasn't bragged about his intelligence, was able to understand the mechanics of a jutsu, someone who was always bragged about it, called genius multiple times, should be more than perfect in understanding how some basics of a jutsu work.
And that is Minato.
Naruto is Naruto... we know that at that time, he had little to no info about it. As well, Uchihas were exterminated when he was born. So, little to no info about how to do it. Whereas in Minato's time, Uchihas still existed.
Bee wanted to fight that way, he acted all cool and stuff. However, Bee wasn't praised with intelligence and understanding the mechanics of a jutsu like Minato was. And if I remember, when he said don't look into my eyes Bee said I know.
Orochimaru. The all-time debated one. Orochimaru didn't even intended to attack him back then. He was just wanting to get more info about it. He got into the genjutsu more willingly. Too bad he didn't expected that coming and underestimated Itachi. One does simply not do that. But neither with Minato.
Sasuke wanted to fight that way. Remember it was a fight between the eyes, between sharingan prowess.
So, before giving these examples, look at the context. They might look similar, but they don't match.
You can't apply what happened to every character to a character. Contexts were different. Not all characters have the same abilities, nor the same intelligence, etc.
They act differently than the characters you're trying to compare them to.
Usually people always think from 1 character perspective when they start a debate. Nothing more wrong.
When you put them in vs, look at both character overall characteristics, ask yourself what x could do if y attacks him, given his abilities, intellect, etc. Never put one above the another. Place them as equals and then start calculating, to say like this.
But if you start going like everyone does, most of the times, with the premise that your character wins because you only take into calculation his abilities and characteristics, without taking the other one's abilities, without looking into how the other acts, given certain situations, that's why you start with the wrong premise that your character wins and the other one can't win.
Same thing Minato fans to when "countering".

In order to have a good debate, you must always, always take both characters into consideration, their abilities, intelligence, behavior in a context of a battle, but observing that battle.

It's not because Itachi has genjutsu that he can win, neither because Minato has FTG. Nothing more wrong!

Between these two, it's a battle of intelligence, brains, more than techniques.

But Itachi was also known as a genies and Uchiha prodigy. My point is still valid because and it's still a fact that Guy was the only one to create such tactic against the Uchiha prowess.
More over, in the fight between Minato and Obito, they had a little conversation and Obito manage to catch his attention. Now imagine their fight with Itachi. Do you think they will just start fighting? There are many possibilities. Like I said Minato lacks screen time. His intelligence and battle knowledge isn't enough to overcome the inevitable- being caught in the genjutsu. Tsukoyomi is basically a one shot jutsu, that's why fanboys rather talking about Itachi's solo.
Unlike him Jiraya had his toads on his side. Minato has never fought genjutsu user, so it's stay as a fact that Minato just Kakashi couldn't predict the the outcome of this jutsu. Furthermore unlike Sasuke Minato doesn't have anything against such ability. Kishi just manage to make it clear that he can't overcome it. If it was needed he could give him the power to avoid genjutsu, but it wasn't necessary, because he never fight a genjutsu specialist which is Itachi.

Do you see that we even doesn't arguing over ninjutsu. There are many possibilities about the genjutsu which isn't even his fullest arsenal. What about Susano'o, totsuka blade and yata mirror? Minato lacks power.

And btw Chatte why did you move that thread, it wasn't supposed to cause a flame war.

 

[UchihaInza]

and thats what i try to preach all the time and people just hate on me and call me ****** and names...well put pefrect thread i seen in a while ..Uchiha Inza

 

[Robot Boy]

But Itachi was also known as a genies and Uchiha prodigy. My point is still valid because and it's still a fact that Guy was the only one to create such tactic against the Uchiha prowess.
More over, in the fight between Minato and Obito, they had a little conversation and Obito manage to catch his attention. Now imagine their fight with Itachi. Do you think they will just start fighting? There are many possibilities. Like I said Minato lacks screen time. His intelligence and battle knowledge isn't enough to overcome the inevitable- being caught in the genjutsu. Tsukoyomi is basically a one shot jutsu, that's why fanboys rather talking about Itachi's solo.
Unlike him Jiraya had his toads on his side. Minato has never fought genjutsu user, so it's stay as a fact that Minato just Kakashi couldn't predict the the outcome of this jutsu. Furthermore unlike Sasuke Minato doesn't have anything against such ability. Kishi just manage to make it clear that he can't overcome it. If it was needed he could give him the power to avoid genjutsu, but it wasn't necessary, because he never fight a genjutsu specialist which is Itachi.

Do you see that we even doesn't arguing over ninjutsu. There are many possibilities about the genjutsu which isn't even his fullest arsenal. What about Susano'o, totsuka blade and yata mirror? Minato lacks power.

And btw Chatte why did you move that thread, it wasn't supposed to cause a flame war.

The same can be said about minato for example we never learned what his element was. Even though he couldn't combine it with his rasengan because he died before he could.

 

[UchihaInza]

yes we do find it on narutowiki..all minato has is seals and rasengan ..not on itachis level

 

[Owarij]

the only reason kakashi fell for tsukuyomi is because he thought he could fight it with his sharingan, and was mistaken. i guess by everyone falling for tsukuyoomi you mean kid sasuke and kakashi. plus minato made sure to avert his gaze from obito's after he stripped the kyuubi from him, so he's no noob in this regard.

amaterasu can be avoided by either teleporting or sealing. it's a fast and powerful, but slow-burning flame. neither the samurai, karin, nor sasuke received lasting damage when hit by it.

susanoo is actually a detriment to itachi because a. it's cumbersome b. chakra costly c. causes intense pain d. leads to blindness e. in minato's case it's a pure defense since there's almost a zero chance he will be hit by the totsuka sword. yamata no orochi and a crippled nagato are much easier targets than the yellow flash. plus it can only be maintained for minutes maximum until itachi's chakra runs out.

the only way i can see itachi winning is if he traps minato in a paralyzing genjutsu and he cannot break out. personally i don't see a hokage being that weak. and trapping minato in an eye genjutsu while he's teleporting is not an easy feat. if minato touches itachi ONCE, the match is pracitcally won. to clarify that, sparring is out of the question against minato. if he's marked, itachi needs to camp in susanoo and hope he can hit minato with the totsuka before his time runs out. (assuming he figures out he's been marked that is). i don't fancy those odds.

I want to have a field day with this post, but I have a essay to write &.& , will reply later