[Theory] Itachi is stronger than Nagato

[ClanKiller]

I'm guessing yous guy's are either blind or retarded.
In Kabuto's words ; " As i feared , He lacked Mobilit "
the man could barley move , if you pay attention the whole time he's pulling everyone else IN. when you hold a sword that can seal away whoever it touches going up a handicap i don't think it'll be that hard to beat him -.-

 

[arv993]

I'm guessing yous guy's are either blind or retarded.
In Kabuto's words ; " As i feared , He lacked Mobilit "
the man could barley move , if you pay attention the whole time he's pulling everyone else IN. when you hold a sword that can seal away whoever it touches going up a handicap i don't think it'll be that hard to beat him -.-

the guy is still a monster but he can be beat by itachi since itachi can blind his other visions.

 

[YIN YANG]

shinra tensei and chibaku are not the same thing shinra tensei is just a force towards you it can be blocked by a shield, chibaku tensei on the other hand pulls you up and confines u in a ball of earth. what r u talking about even naruto's clones can oppose that force stop trying to overhype nagato, yes he does have the most amazing abilities we have seen so far in the show but he can be beaten. Itachi especially has a knack at finding weaknesses and u think susano does not have enough force have u seen its arms just hitting really close to nagato hurt him really bad and made a dent on the ground, and like i said b4 it is not impossible to stop the force especially when u hav a shield and armor that can withstand even kirin. nagato could not dodge the sword, dude he never reached his senses and broke out of edo only itachi did that with koto amakatsui, nagato doing that is just pure speculation on ur part. The sword was fast and b4 he knew it he was sealed. And read the manga he lacked mobility, so dodging the sword is hard for nagato but he can use shinra tensei but he has 5 sec limit and chibaku is the best tech to beat itachi but even that won't do it becos in 1v1 itachi would not allow nagato to pull a tech that is not that fast out.

come on be serious there both gravity techs right and you said chikabi brings them up right, and shinrai tensai brings or pushes it right.
you actually didn't prove anything about shinra tensa not being affective.
reread the clone thing i don't want to repeat all over again it's a buffer force
susanno is a regular force not buffer this is the short version.
so you might as well say how can konoha be destroyed if nauto shadow clones took it.

 

[arv993]

come on be serious there both gravity techs right and you said chikabi brings them up right, and shinrai tensai brings or pushes it right.
you actually didn't prove anything about shinra tensa not being affective.
reread the clone thing i don't want to repeat all over again it's a buffer force
susanno is a regular force not buffer this is the short version.
so you might as well say how can konoha be destroyed if nauto shadow clones took it.

are u serious dude there is a difference between the one he use on konoha and the one he used on naruto. the one he used on naruto is the faster and weaker one which is what he can use in battles otherwise if he uses the ultimate one he would die due to him being vulnerable. susano has a shield and can repel any attacks directed towards it read the manga please.

 

[satori]

got tired of going trhough the posts but it clearly shows how bee and naruto were more like diversions. Itachi was the one with the strategy finding the weak point in the rinnegan. I remember bee and naruto bout to get smoked until itachi saved them and kept them safe in his susanoo, executed the strategy and sealed pain. Not a one on one but might as well could have been with the same end result, except Itachi wouldn´t have been able to go untouched like he did. I don´t see how some ppl don´t get that Itachi is like superbadass. He is an elite ninja from an elite clan. Simply Nagato was good, but Itachi is better.He put a gen on bee, a perfect jin. What other proof do you need? Kabuto was controling him is a lame excuse. get real

 

[YIN YANG]

are u serious dude there is a difference between the one he use on konoha and the one he used on naruto. the one he used on naruto is the faster and weaker one which is what he can use in battles otherwise if he uses the ultimate one he would die due to him being vulnerable.

what are you talking about im saying shinra tensa can hit susanno

 

[YIN YANG]

got tired of going trhough the posts but it clearly shows how bee and naruto were more like diversions. Itachi was the one with the strategy finding the weak point in the rinnegan. I remember bee and naruto bout to get smoked until itachi saved them and kept them safe in his susanoo, executed the strategy and sealed pain. Not a one on one but might as well could have been with the same end result, except Itachi wouldn´t have been able to go untouched like he did. I don´t see how some ppl don´t get that Itachi is like superbadass. He is an elite ninja from an elite clan. Simply Nagato was good, but Itachi is better.He put a gen on bee, a perfect jin. What other proof do you need? Kabuto was controling him is a lame excuse. get real

im just saying we saw the 2nd hokage full extent in edo tensa even though he didn't use space time ninjutsu right and other etc.
the well known user is better than the controller.

 

[arv993]

what are you talking about im saying shinra tensa can hit susanno

no the shinra tensei u are talking about the one used on konoha is a different attack from the regular one that naruto withstood that is what i wanted to point out, nagato can never pull that off in a real battle becos he is to vulnerable and an easy target. shinra tensei can be blocked it does not say anywhere that it is only nature transformations that can be blocked. shinra tensei is an attack which is basically a force and a spiritual shield like yata mirror can block it is not just a regular shield as you portray it.

 

[YIN YANG]

no the shinra tensei u are talking about the one used on konoha is a different attack from the regular one that naruto withstood that is what i wanted to point out, nagato can never pull that off in a real battle becos he is to vulnerable and an easy target. shinra tensei can be blocked it does not say anywhere that it is only nature transformations that can be blocked. shinra tensei is an attack which is basically a force and a spiritual shield like yata mirror can block it is not just a regular shield as you portray it.

it has to transformation abilities and uses it to change the characteristics
of the attack it recieve so that it can block but there nothing it can change into to block, answered
i proved it was physical already, i don't want to repeat it all over again look at my other post you'll see the answer
again that shield is not enough for shinra tensa force
i never said in a battle if they fought i said shinra can hit susanno idk
why your adding extra words to my post's
again without it special ability what is it a shield ok
law:in order for you to touch something it has to be physical

 

[YIN YANG]

im not going to answer your yata mirror post's again because you keep making me repeat myself so just look at old post i don't like reapeting what i said all over again

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

It's like I wud be posting dis every 7 pages though arv told me not 2. I can't just take it when I see dis guys saying Nagato wud win with no reasons 2 back them up. I originally made dis thread 2 silence Nagato fans thinking most Nagato fans wud follow me n agree but it seems their foolish pride has covered their ability 2 think clearly.
Itachi is greater than Nagato 4 d following reasons;
1. Tsukuyomi- Itachi's strength is genjutsu, Nagato's weakness is genjutsu. Since Jiraiya got him with genjutsu I'm sure Itachi wud easily get him since he has d strongest genjutsu in d narutoverse. D reason why Itachi didn't bother in using Tsukuyomi is cos there's no point in wasting ur chakra on someone who cannot die.

2. Amateratsu- As seen in d last chapter Itachi already burned Nagato's hands b4 he cud do anything 2 counter it but due 2 d fact dat Nagato is an Edo Tensei it cud not destroy his hands so it regenerated back so he cud repelled it.

3. Totsuka Blade- Seals Nagato's soul. Many ppl say Itachi sealed Nagato but didn't kill him. Pls can u kill an Edo Tensei? Itachi knew d only way 2 kill him was by sealing him so dat's why he did.

4. Yata Mirror- It DEFLECTS ALL THINGS including Shinra Tensei.

5. Yasaka's Magatama- Itachi's strongest long range attack was capable of destroying Chikudan Tensei. 1 or 3 Yasaka's Magatamas wud destroy Chikudan Tensei. D reason why Itachi told all of them 2 contribute was due 2 d fact dat he was saving his chakra 4 future battles in d war. What if d person controllin Nagato sends someone stronger than Nagato 2 fight him immediately afta dis fight? Itachi is smart. He thought far ahead.

6. Smartness- I don't think anyone, even d most biased Nagato fan in Naruto wud oppose 2 d fact dat Itachi is smarter than Nagato

Pls if u wanna post in favor of Nagato only post so as 2 counter ALL my facts.

SORRY ARV.

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[MuDfAcToRy25]

Yes, you are correct that's why I said, "Maybe" he could be speaking of Izanagi because I don't know how else he escaped Amaterasu on his face. Tobi has quite a bit hidden from Itachi but the reason why I speak of this is because Izanagi will most likely be his best tech. if he is in deadly (death) situation Izanagi will get him out of it, right? So, if you know the weakness you have an advantage which Naruto/Sasuke who ever battles him will need to find out.

lol don't worry about off topic your discussing Itachi, Nagato thread so won't make a big difference.

Well Madara could have easily just phased his body and let the flames fall right through him rather than waste an eye by using Izanagi. Thats what i would do anyway. Seems waaaay easier and less wasteful.

 

[Alquimista]

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NAGATO IS STRONGER THAN ITACHI. I LIKE ITACHI MORE AND I LIKE SHARINGAN BUT ITACHI FANS JST HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT NAGATO IS STRONGER... [1]... In Naruto world no one listens to u unless u are stronger than them... Eg A and bee... Naruto and shikamarus dad... itachi and kisame, orochimaru, deidara...pain and naruto... Nagato is the leader of atkasuki and gave ORDERS to everyone EVEN ITACHI and no one ever refused... Itachi proved he is stronger dan orochimaru... And oro ran from the association and went in hiding... If itachi was stronger he wuld hav tried to say no to pain since atkasuki was becomin more of a threat to konoha... [2]... Itachi fans say nagato attacked konoha after itachi died cos he was SCARED of itachi... Dis is NOT true bcos he told hidan and atkasuki members that he had to seal them from 1 to 9 to not DISRUPT the BALANCE of the GEDO statue.. Even itachi told kisame.. If not pain wuld hav captured naruto anytime... [3]... No one in the naruto series can attack konoha and personally destroy it... Itachi killed ONE CLAN but nagato DESTROYED THE VILLAGE.. Even madara was scared to fight till he IMPLANTED the rinnegan and then HE SAID HE IS NOW READY FOR BATTLE.... [4]... Itachi fans say that itachi will put nagato in a genjutsu(VISUAL) but it is NOT TRUE.. Jiraya only put pain in senjutsu(SOUND) which pain did not expect jiraya to have.. Rinnegan has a higher doujutsu or eye power than sharingan dat is why madara said u will see more of the sage of six paths secrets MORE with RINNEGAN THAN MANGYEKO SHARINGAN.. It will definitely see through a genjutsu.. [5]... In fact Nagato has a COUNTER to all of itachis attacks.. (i).. Amaterasu - shinra tensei (ii).. Genjutsu - rinnigan will see thru it bcos it is not sound.. (iii).. Yata malgamata - he can pull any rock nearby to defend himself just as he did wen naruto was in six tails.. Surely yata malgamata is not as powerful as the sixtail attack wen four tails took down oros rashoumon.. (iv).. Susanos SEALING SWORD - surely shinera tensei on a high level is strong enough to deflect its path (since danzo used wood to deflect sasukes arrow and the arrow shuld b FASTER than the sealing sword).. (V) fire stye - he can absorb all ninjutsu If nagato starts his attacks he didnt use in the battle... (i).. Nagato could bring the GEDO Statue (raikages punch was stronger than danzos and injured sasuke even wen he used susano and amatersu... Just a blow from the GEDO which is 100 TIMES STRONGER wuld seriously injure itachi even with his susano (ii).. He could bring out that soul absorbing tech from the statue which is MORE powerful than the fourths dead reaper seal and it wuld pass thru susano and take his soul since it is spiritual not physical.. (iii).. Chibaku tensei will kill itachi if he is alone... It was strong enough to lift susano up... Only itachis yata malgamata is not enough to destroy chibaku tense bcos naruto in nine tails fired blasts at chibaku and it had no effect.. And nagato said HE CAN MAKE IT EVEN BIGGER... (iv).. Shinra tensei is strong enough to hold susano down jst as danzo summoned baku to hold susano while he attacked from the back where it was easily opened up.. Shinera tensei is surely stronger than the force of baku (unless u r saying danzo culd equally DESTROY the whole of KONOHA WITH THE BAKU jst like pain) whil shinera tensei attacks, the three headed sumoning can easily open up susano from the weak spot... [6]... Finally there is NO FIVE SECOND INTERVAL WITH SHINERA TENSEI IN HIS TRUE FORM.. Naruto said his jutsus were now faster and more powerful.. He can use all the paths in one body.. He can absorb chakra far more than samehada even if someone attacks with a powerful taijutsu like lariat.. He will just absorb the chakra of the attacker and reduce the power of the attack... NAGATO IS STRONGER THAN ITACHI.. THE ONLY THING THAT GIVES ITACHI A CHANCE IS BCOS HE IS SMART... RINNIGAN IS GREATER THAN SHARINGAN.. ACCEPT PAIN... FEAR PAIN.. ITACHI FANS CAN CORRECT ME IF THEY ARE STILL DOUBTING ME!!!

Nooooo finally someone who understands the power of nagato the true u just said it

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

Ok so everyone keeps accusing Nagato fanboys of switching between Nagato and the Paths of Pain bodies whenever it suits their point, but what do you call it when Itachi fans keep referencing the konoha battle?!?! That wasn't Nagato it was a DEAD BODY!!! Konan said that when he focuses his chakra into TENDOU PAIN his power is tremendous but it takes a while to return when he uses shinra tensei. This is NAGATO NOT TENDOU PAIN!!! And Naruto already stated that "the STRENGTH AND SPEED of his attacks are ON A WAY HIGHER LEVEL NOW" so the shinra tensei's used in Konoha can't even be used in this debate SO GIVE UP TRYING TO REFERENCE THE WEAKNESSES OF SHINRA TENSEI SINCE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE POWERED UP NAGATO USE IT AGAINST ANYONE!!! INCREASED SPEED Naruto said so 5 seconds is PROBABLY OUT THE WINDOW!!! AND NARUTO RESISTING IT WITH CLONES??? INCREASED STRENGTH REMEMBER????

And saying its just a force so Susano'os shield can block it?? If you used an invincible shield to BLOCK THE WIND and see if the wind still pushes you! Yeah it does!!! Itachi and susano'o would tumble. This is such a common sense thing i can't believe so many people just ignore physics. The yata mirrow can BLOCK any attack NOT NEGATE ANY ATTACK he's still gonna take the force of the blow and in this case that "force" sends EVERYTHING flying!

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Ok so everyone keeps accusing Nagato fanboys of switching between Nagato and the Paths of Pain bodies whenever it suits their point, but what do you call it when Itachi fans keep referencing the konoha battle?!?! That wasn't Nagato it was a DEAD BODY!!! Konan said that when he focuses his chakra into TENDOU PAIN his power is tremendous but it takes a while to return when he uses shinra tensei. This is NAGATO NOT TENDOU PAIN!!! And Naruto already stated that "the STRENGTH AND SPEED of his attacks are ON A WAY HIGHER LEVEL NOW" so the shinra tensei's used in Konoha can't even be used in this debate SO GIVE UP TRYING TO REFERENCE THE WEAKNESSES OF SHINRA TENSEI SINCE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE POWERED UP NAGATO USE IT AGAINST ANYONE!!! INCREASED SPEED Naruto said so 5 seconds is PROBABLY OUT THE WINDOW!!! AND NARUTO RESISTING IT WITH CLONES??? INCREASED STRENGTH REMEMBER????

EVERY TECHNIQUE HAS A WEAKNESS!!!!. Please tell me since u praise Shinra Tensei so much what is it's weakness? At most d interval wud be 3 seconds. If Nagato cud use Shinra Tensei on Itachi's Susano'o why did he bother using Chikudan Tensei? A technique dat carries much more chakra n time 2 perform.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

It's like I wud be posting dis every 7 pages though arv told me not 2. I can't just take it when I see dis guys saying Nagato wud win with no reasons 2 back them up. I originally made dis thread 2 silence Nagato fans thinking most Nagato fans wud follow me n agree but it seems their foolish pride has covered their ability 2 think clearly.
Itachi is greater than Nagato 4 d following reasons;
1. Tsukuyomi- Itachi's strength is genjutsu, Nagato's weakness is genjutsu. Since Jiraiya got him with genjutsu I'm sure Itachi wud easily get him since he has d strongest genjutsu in d narutoverse. D reason why Itachi didn't bother in using Tsukuyomi is cos there's no point in wasting ur chakra on someone who cannot die.

2. Amateratsu- As seen in d last chapter Itachi already burned Nagato's hands b4 he cud do anything 2 counter it but due 2 d fact dat Nagato is an Edo Tensei it cud not destroy his hands so it regenerated back so he cud repelled it.

3. Totsuka Blade- Seals Nagato's soul. Many ppl say Itachi sealed Nagato but didn't kill him. Pls can u kill an Edo Tensei? Itachi knew d only way 2 kill him was by sealing him so dat's why he did.

4. Yata Mirror- It DEFLECTS ALL THINGS including Shinra Tensei.

5. Yasaka's Magatama- Itachi's strongest long range attack was capable of destroying Chikudan Tensei. 1 or 3 Yasaka's Magatamas wud destroy Chikudan Tensei. D reason why Itachi told all of them 2 contribute was due 2 d fact dat he was saving his chakra 4 future battles in d war. What if d person controllin Nagato sends someone stronger than Nagato 2 fight him immediately afta dis fight? Itachi is smart. He thought far ahead.

6. Smartness- I don't think anyone, even d most biased Nagato fan in Naruto wud oppose 2 d fact dat Itachi is smarter than Nagato

Pls if u wanna post in favor of Nagato only post so as 2 counter ALL my facts.

SORRY ARV.

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you have been answered so many times i dont know wether you have difficulty remembering things or you simply are just being ignorant but ill just do a brief counter to all your points
1.Tysukami ineffective as Nagato has paths in his body he can disturb his chakra as one of the 3 ways to break out of genjutsu
2.Amateseru can be absorbed or at the last resort shinra tensei of his body
3.Susanoo can be pulled towards with divine attraction and absorbed with the deva path and preta path or sucked up by celestial tera sphere
Kishi also basically said through kabuto what he thought of the fight that only injured he could of been beaten

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[MuDfAcToRy25]

EVERY TECHNIQUE HAS A WEAKNESS!!!!. Please tell me since u praise Shinra Tensei so much what is it's weakness? At most d interval wud be 3 seconds. If Nagato cud use Shinra Tensei on Itachi's Susano'o why did he bother using Chikudan Tensei? A technique dat carries much more chakra n time 2 perform.

OK you are definitely right there!!! and thats why he used chibaku tensei!!! What good does shinra tensei do against an edo summon?? it doesnt do any massive damage and it certainly doesnt seal them. So THAT is its weakness is that it wont kill or capture them just keep them away and since he only has one body right now he doesn't have an ally to capture them while they are down after the shinra blast! So the only way to capture all of them like Kabuto wanted to was chibaku tensei! If naruto and bee died he could use the 7th path to bring them back and itachi cant die he would just be immobilized until kabuto got what he wanted from him! Chibaku tensei was the ONLY choice in this battle to CAPTURE!

I just hate people saying shinra tensei WOULDNT work AT ALL! Or quoting weakness it had when used through a DEAD BODY!!!

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

you have been answered so many times i dont know wether you have difficulty remembering things or you simply are just being ignorant but ill just do a brief counter to all your points
1.Tysukami ineffective as Nagato has paths in his body he can disturb his chakra as one of the 3 ways to break out of genjutsu
2.Amateseru can be absorbed or at the last resort shinra tensei of his body
3.Susanoo can be pulled towards with divine attraction and absorbed with the deva path and preta path or sucked up by celestial tera sphere
Kishi also basically said through kabuto what he thought of the fight that only injured he could of been beaten

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Twedros I know u hate Itachi but here are some things I wanna point out:
1. You answered only 3 out of 6
2. ITACHI'S TSUKUYOMI can only be broken by his own flesh n Blood. FACT!
3. Amateratsu wud hav burned him b4 he repelled it. Even if he repelled d first part more will come n burn him within d interval(5sec or smaller, maybe 3sec). FACT!
4. If Susano'o cud be pulled then why did Nagato bother using Chikudan Tensei? A technique dat requires more chakra n time 2 perform. And who told u dat Susano'o is made of chakra. It is a direct attack n is not made of chakra.
5. Kabuto is smarter than Nagato. Did u see d way he planned 2 capture Naruto n Bee? I bet even though Nagato is d 1 who has d powers he wudn't hav thought of that.

 

[shadow1darkrasengun]

i like itachi but looking back on some of the things that happen naruto was able to beat pain because his powers were seperated but this time nagoto controled everything itachi is a genius at strategy so i wont count him out but as in power wise nagoto has him beat gen he can break that and amartsau we dont kno if he could have absorbed it but since its some form of chakra i will say he can the his last resort susanno remeber nagoto has the abilty to see everything with his eyes 360 degrees if he summons or gets a hold of itachi hes dead it would be tatics the itachi wins not power alone

 

[ablepema]

It's like I wud be posting dis every 7 pages though arv told me not 2. I can't just take it when I see dis guys saying Nagato wud win with no reasons 2 back them up. I originally made dis thread 2 silence Nagato fans thinking most Nagato fans wud follow me n agree but it seems their foolish pride has covered their ability 2 think clearly.
Itachi is greater than Nagato 4 d following reasons;
1. Tsukuyomi- Itachi's strength is genjutsu, Nagato's weakness is genjutsu. Since Jiraiya got him with genjutsu I'm sure Itachi wud easily get him since he has d strongest genjutsu in d narutoverse. D reason why Itachi didn't bother in using Tsukuyomi is cos there's no point in wasting ur chakra on someone who cannot die.

2. Amateratsu- As seen in d last chapter Itachi already burned Nagato's hands b4 he cud do anything 2 counter it but due 2 d fact dat Nagato is an Edo Tensei it cud not destroy his hands so it regenerated back so he cud repelled it.

3. Totsuka Blade- Seals Nagato's soul. Many ppl say Itachi sealed Nagato but didn't kill him. Pls can u kill an Edo Tensei? Itachi knew d only way 2 kill him was by sealing him so dat's why he did.

4. Yata Mirror- It DEFLECTS ALL THINGS including Shinra Tensei.

5. Yasaka's Magatama- Itachi's strongest long range attack was capable of destroying Chikudan Tensei. 1 or 3 Yasaka's Magatamas wud destroy Chikudan Tensei. D reason why Itachi told all of them 2 contribute was due 2 d fact dat he was saving his chakra 4 future battles in d war. What if d person controllin Nagato sends someone stronger than Nagato 2 fight him immediately afta dis fight? Itachi is smart. He thought far ahead.

6. Smartness- I don't think anyone, even d most biased Nagato fan in Naruto wud oppose 2 d fact dat Itachi is smarter than Nagato

Pls if u wanna post in favor of Nagato only post so as 2 counter ALL my facts.

SORRY ARV.

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yin yang already explained clearly on how yata mirror can't block shinra tensa so erase the yata mirror one.