[Theory] Itachi is stronger than Nagato

[chopsticks10]

Now that Itachi is in control...why cant he become Hokage since its obvious that he is at that level

Walking Zombie....

 

[ReLax -]

.. .. my post I quoted above was not my original post. I copy pasted it in a couple of threads because I was sick of sudden deluge of Itachi threads at NB.

My qoute was also regrading 5-6 other topics about either Nagato, Itachi or Itachi VS Nagato. I just put it in one topic that seemed popular atm.

IMO this battle has no conclusion atm unless Kishi tells/shows us something or it is more clear in the manga itself.

Since Nagato is gone, there will be more to learn of Itachi wait for a month or so another topic will open up once more has been revealed of Itachi.

 

[MuDfAcToRy25]

Yes, I have said that in my previous post also that it wouldn't but the Itachi/Nagato fans just considered it to be the real thing. As far as I recall it was never stated that Itachi lost a battle either him and Nagato went thru the same defeat if you want to look at it that way. In the future it will be said Naruto beat Nagato/Pein despite the fact all the help/intell he had and same goes with Itachi with Sasuke being the one who stopped him.

I'll re quote my post long but oh well

In the post you quoted i have to disagree with one thing. It cant just be Izanagi that Madara hid from Itachi. I haven't seen any techs of Itachi that have the speed or lasting lenght to overcome his 5 minute phasing ability. Also with his body being somehow adapted to use the DNA of hashirama (otherwise he couldn't USE izanagi) Tsunade said "he may be the definition of imortal" so there has to be some secret there as to how he could be killed. There is MUCH more than SIMPLY izanagi that Itachi would need to know!

P.S. Sorry for the off topic post

 

[ReLax -]

In the post you quoted i have to disagree with one thing. It cant just be Izanagi that Madara hid from Itachi. I haven't seen any techs of Itachi that have the speed or lasting lenght to overcome his 5 minute phasing ability. Also with his body being somehow adapted to use the DNA of hashirama (otherwise he couldn't USE izanagi) Tsunade said "he may be the definition of imortal" so there has to be some secret there as to how he could be killed. There is MUCH more than SIMPLY izanagi that Itachi would need to know!

P.S. Sorry for the off topic post

Yes, you are correct that's why I said, "Maybe" he could be speaking of Izanagi because I don't know how else he escaped Amaterasu on his face. Tobi has quite a bit hidden from Itachi but the reason why I speak of this is because Izanagi will most likely be his best tech. if he is in deadly (death) situation Izanagi will get him out of it, right? So, if you know the weakness you have an advantage which Naruto/Sasuke who ever battles him will need to find out.

lol don't worry about off topic your discussing Itachi, Nagato thread so won't make a big difference.

 

[YIN YANG]

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susano not even yata mirror blocked this, yata mirror can block almost any attack that is directed towards it and shinra tensie is just a force, naruto's clones withstood it why cannot an ultimate defense like yata mirror. yata mirror is not just a simple shield but a spirtual one that can block almost any attack.

like i said before there none nature type for yata mirror to use to block gravity because there are none to begin with you understand now
the only way to beat gravity tech is to have a buffer force or greater force
that is the only way
the shadow clones were massive so in idea if you use enough to take in that force your user won't be hit that's how naruto used his buffer force.
it all depends on nagato impact of power in shinra tensa so if his force is less than the oppossing one he won't affect it that much.
just a little example imagine a 250 pound musculer guy right and if you threw a 1 year old at him he wouldn't move because that wasn't enough force. but if that baby was thrown with a greater force or fell at a greater force like falling of the empire state building that man will get hurt because that baby has greater force.
also those spirit items actually have a physical pressece.
yatamirror is just a shield with abilities and if there'sa tech that doesn't make yata mirror shield abilities active that shield will just be a regular big shield that can be beaten.

 

[YIN YANG]

also if yata mirror block a physical snake shouldn't yata mirror be a physical weapon

 

[PositiveEmotions]

like i said before there none nature type for yata mirror to use to block gravity because there are none to begin with you understand now
the only way to beat gravity tech is to have a buffer force or greater force
that is the only way
the shadow clones were massive so in idea if you use enough to take in that force your user won't be hit that's how naruto used his buffer force.
it all depends on nagato impact of power in shinra tensa so if his force is less than the oppossing one he won't affect it that much.
just a little example imagine a 250 pound musculer guy right and if you threw a 1 year old at him he wouldn't move because that wasn't enough force. but if that baby was thrown with a greater force or fell at a greater force like falling of the empire state building that man will get hurt because that baby has greater force.
also those spirit items actually have a physical pressece.
yatamirror is just a shield with abilities and if there'sa tech that doesn't make yata mirror shield abilities active that shield will just be a regular big shield that can be beaten.

also if yata mirror block a physical snake shouldn't yata mirror be a physical weapon

i agree in a certain degree but if shenre tensie is not a psychical damage technique than why does it cost psychical damage to a shinobi so if shenrei tensi did a strong shenrei tensi then susano would be pushed back by the full force of the shenrei tensei

 

[ablepema]

i agree in a certain degree but if shenre tensie is not a psychical damage technique than why does it cost psychical damage to a shinobi so if shenrei tensi did a strong shenrei tensi then susano would be pushed back by the full force of the shenrei tensei

what are you talking about shinrai tensai is physical.if you hit or cause damage somethin it'sphysical, it's just can't be seen.

 

[ablepema]

like i said before there none nature type for yata mirror to use to block gravity because there are none to begin with you understand now
the only way to beat gravity tech is to have a buffer force or greater force
that is the only way
the shadow clones were massive so in idea if you use enough to take in that force your user won't be hit that's how naruto used his buffer force.
it all depends on nagato impact of power in shinra tensa so if his force is less than the oppossing one he won't affect it that much.
just a little example imagine a 250 pound musculer guy right and if you threw a 1 year old at him he wouldn't move because that wasn't enough force. but if that baby was thrown with a greater force or fell at a greater force like falling of the empire state building that man will get hurt because that baby has greater force.
also those spirit items actually have a physical pressece.
yatamirror is just a shield with abilities and if there'sa tech that doesn't make yata mirror shield abilities active that shield will just be a regular big shield that can be beaten.

agreed

 

[PositiveEmotions]

like i said before there none nature type for yata mirror to use to block gravity because there are none to begin with you understand now
the only way to beat gravity tech is to have a buffer force or greater force
that is the only way
the shadow clones were massive so in idea if you use enough to take in that force your user won't be hit that's how naruto used his buffer force.
it all depends on nagato impact of power in shinra tensa so if his force is less than the oppossing one he won't affect it that much.
just a little example imagine a 250 pound musculer guy right and if you threw a 1 year old at him he wouldn't move because that wasn't enough force. but if that baby was thrown with a greater force or fell at a greater force like falling of the empire state building that man will get hurt because that baby has greater force.
also those spirit items actually have a physical pressece.
yatamirror is just a shield with abilities and if there'sa tech that doesn't make yata mirror shield abilities active that shield will just be a regular big shield that can be beaten.

also if yata mirror block a physical snake shouldn't yata mirror be a physical weapon

what are you talking about shinrai tensai is physical.if you hit or cause damage somethin it'sphysical, it's just can't be seen.

like yin yang dude said its mostly a gravity technique but it causes psychical damage

 

[ablepema]

like yin yang dude said its mostly a gravity technique but it causes psychical damage

i never disagreed but just saying that gavitational force can cause pain,and damage just notice how konoha was flatten, also when pain was upside down in the air when he was in the air and he hit the rock parts and that use rock fell down.

 

[natetailedbeast]

I personally like both characters equally, so anyone who thinks im a Nagato fanboy for saying this can go die in a pit.

Heres where your logic is wrong my blind friend:

A) No, Itachi did NOT destroy Chibaku Tensei, it was the COMBINED EFFORTS of Naruto, B AND Itachi that did that.

B) No, Itachi did NOT win against Nagato, he used the Tatsuka sword to seal his soul; In other words he cut the fight short before anything else could happen.

C) Theres a reason why NAGATO was the leader of Akatsuki, not ITACHI

Why the hell does everyone keep mentioning that Nagato was "leader of Akatsuki" and all??? He was leader/"creator" who was being fooled like a dumbass by a Sharingan user (Madara) to do his bidding! Meanwhile Itachi was plotting a counter for the bigger/more powerful plot of the much more powerful Madara (again, Sharingan user)! Are we forgetting that Itachi was/is a spy!??? He could EASILY dispose of a nin like Nagato w his smarts alone!!! As clearly the case, given Itachi even broke out of the Edo, as planned, while Nagato's dumbass was just a puppet! Don't get me wrong, Nagato was a ****ing problem, but not to be compared to the likes of Itachi, or the 4th Hokage, Minato!!! Minato strongest/smartest ever... Then Itachi! Naruto is getting there, got the heart, just not nearly wise enough yet! (only 16yrs old!) I rarely post, but some of these comparisons are just INSANE!!!

 

[kellzfresh]

According to itachi fans, none of nagatos attacks can stop susanoo, dat means naruto is dead against sasuke cos to them susanoo is invincible...
Gedo statue is the answer to susano... It is far more stronger and 10 times larger even boss toad will look like a puppy to gedo statue

 

[ablepema]

Why the hell does everyone keep mentioning that Nagato was "leader of Akatsuki" and all??? He was leader/"creator" who was being fooled like a dumbass by a Sharingan user (Madara) to do his bidding! Meanwhile Itachi was plotting a counter for the bigger/more powerful plot of the much more powerful Madara (again, Sharingan user)! Are we forgetting that Itachi was/is a spy!??? He could EASILY dispose of a nin like Nagato w his smarts alone!!! As clearly the case, given Itachi even broke out of the Edo, as planned, while Nagato's dumbass was just a puppet! Don't get me wrong, Nagato was a ****ing problem, but not to be compared to the likes of Itachi, or the 4th Hokage, Minato!!! Minato strongest/smartest ever... Then Itachi! Naruto is getting there, got the heart, just not nearly wise enough yet! (only 16yrs old!) I rarely post, but some of these comparisons are just INSANE!!!

reread the manga and wacth some episodes and the techs
and what you just said doesn't really prove anything
some of the comments like this can be flammed.
your just making nagato look better than itachi instead of itachi being better even though what you meant was for itachi is better than nagato because these are no real reasons for itachi being better and if that's your proof than it's not helping that much.

 

[PEIN is the answer]

You are correct but we seen most of Nagato capabilities but just a few minor ones were missing. I will ask you as I have asked others, When have we seen Uchiha Itachi in a serious battle? or in one on his own (fighting to survive/win/kill battle)? You cannot jump to conclusion because you seen what one man was capable of doing when you haven't seen the other at his best.

If you read my brick wall post I had put about 9-10 pages ago would make more sense, since I have tried to explain a lot in there.

We have not seen Itachi at his best or in a serious fight but we have heard what he can do since almost the begging of naruto and how he killed all the uchia that is how strong Itachi is it's the same as how we know how strong minato and 4 hokage are. Itachi is the baddest ass on naruto but nagato would beat him in a one on one fight if they were bolth 100% susano does not mean invincible no matter what Itachi fanbois think

 

[ablepema]

According to itachi fans, none of nagatos attacks can stop susanoo, dat means naruto is dead against sasuke cos to them susanoo is invincible...
Gedo statue is the answer to susano... It is far more stronger and 10 times larger even boss toad will look like a puppy to gedo statue

where you. getting these false info from
chikabi tensa ca
absorbing pain can
shinrai tensa can look at yin yang post

 

[arv993]

idk why you guys want to believe that nagato couldn't dodge the sword, nagato reached his senses and wanted to be sealed by itachi and wanted say his last words he could've easily did shinrai tensa on itachi but didn't because he resisted in his final moments.
i also hope that you guys relized that susanno was coming up because gravity was controlling susanno so if you guys are still gonna say shinra tensa can't do anything to susanno you're clearly wrong.
naruto kyubi hands is extremly powerful force and opposed that little shinra tensai force from nagato
idk how itachi can dodge it susanno is not enough to oppose it.

shinra tensei and chibaku are not the same thing shinra tensei is just a force towards you it can be blocked by a shield, chibaku tensei on the other hand pulls you up and confines u in a ball of earth. what r u talking about even naruto's clones can oppose that force stop trying to overhype nagato, yes he does have the most amazing abilities we have seen so far in the show but he can be beaten. Itachi especially has a knack at finding weaknesses and u think susano does not have enough force have u seen its arms just hitting really close to nagato hurt him really bad and made a dent on the ground, and like i said b4 it is not impossible to stop the force especially when u hav a shield and armor that can withstand even kirin. nagato could not dodge the sword, dude he never reached his senses and broke out of edo only itachi did that with koto amakatsui, nagato doing that is just pure speculation on ur part. The sword was fast and b4 he knew it he was sealed. And read the manga he lacked mobility, so dodging the sword is hard for nagato but he can use shinra tensei but he has 5 sec limit and chibaku is the best tech to beat itachi but even that won't do it becos in 1v1 itachi would not allow nagato to pull a tech that is not that fast out.

 

[PEIN is the answer]

According to itachi fans, none of nagatos attacks can stop susanoo, dat means naruto is dead against sasuke cos to them susanoo is invincible...
Gedo statue is the answer to susano... It is far more stronger and 10 times larger even boss toad will look like a puppy to gedo statue

Rinnengan > shaningan
Gedo > susano
Planetary devastation > yata mirror
Sealing sword is bad ass but to slow
So nagato > Itachi

 

[arv993]

Rinnengan > shaningan
Gedo > susano
Planetary devastation > yata mirror
Sealing sword is bad ass but to slow
So nagato > Itachi

who said it is slow it is pretty fast it got oro in between his words, and also got nagato if u did not read ch.551. gedo is also slow and makes nagato vulnerable

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and itachi blinded his summons and everything and limited his view taking his ability to block attacks worse plus nagato's mobility is bad. planetary devastation is the best shot, but since itachi is faster in a 1v1 he can get him with his sword. Itachi has the better shot at winning.

 

[Swizzik]

nagato>itachi...........end of story