[Theory] Itachi is stronger than Nagato

[arv993]

no just saying you said people think itachis stronger first like theres more who think that but turning it around most people disagree with you

so what u are really ignorant to trust the polls i have seen polls that shows stuff like madara is weaker than Itachi, that is not true even in the manga Itachi states the greatest uchiha was madara, but do those polls make it true, no they are just ppl's opinions, half of them don't even have proof and choose one or the other, that does not make nagato stronger than Itachi that is the most flawed logic ever using fan based polls, what is more important is evidence from the manga. you have just shown how big of a fanboy that you are willing to use polls to prove the character you like more(nagato) is better than itachi.

 

[veggetta13]

technically, and still, theoretically, Nagato would be the strongest, shame we are talking about people whol take decisions first hand, on an actual dangerou situation.ç

Itachi is a better tactician than Nagato, dot

Nagato`s just got lots of jutsu like Oro

 

[kadowade]

Tsukiyomi is useless against Nagatos six paths, it wont affect Nagato. Normal genjutsu is useless, becuase if Itachi will trap one path in it Nagato will know that from the very start, seeing how vision coming from that path will differ from others. Amatersu can be absorbed, vanquished with Shinra Tensei or pulled out with Bansho Tenin. Susanoo can be absorbed, or trapped in Chibaku Tensei. Nagato has counter for every one of Itachis techniques.

Each of those moves you listed leaves Nagato COMPLETLY vulnerable open to ANY attack.

Amaterasu: It will take 4 ever to absorb Amaterasu if its spreaded already, and that will leave nagato completly vulnerable trying to absorb it. And itachi would easily go in 4 the kill.

All paths share the Same Vison, so If one of them is in Tsukiyomi ALL of them would be considering they All share one mind (Nagato) And the SAme Vision. They all see the same thing.

Trying to Absorb Susano"o Is Suicide. Cuz while trying to absorb it, itachi would Seal him away since Nagato has to be Extremly CLose and he has to make contact to absorb. Itachi would knock him back with Yata Mirror, Or just Seal him, since he's close.

Itachi can Amaterasu Chibaku Tensei, since it's nothing but Rocks and a ball of chakra. Amaterasu would disenegrate The rocks and the sphere.

Shinra Tensei would not Vanquish Susano'o, The most it will do is Push susano'o back a little. But the Yata mirror is said to deflect ALL attacks, so attacking would be useless.

I could go on, but u should get the point. Itachi has a counter for nagato's Techniques as well

 

[Turson]

Pain has counter for every Itachi jutsu, and he has way bigger chakra reserves. I guess that healthy Itachi would be able to destroy around 4 paths, but that would be max for him.

 

[kadowade]

technically, and still, theoretically, Nagato would be the strongest, shame we are talking about people whol take decisions first hand, on an actual dangerou situation.ç

Itachi is a better tactician than Nagato, dot

Nagato`s just got lots of jutsu like Oro

KAkashi knows 100+ Jutsu, Yet Itachi owned him without barely taking a step. Ninjutsu is Useless when facing Genjutsu.

 

[arv993]

"The power of insight discerns all the mechanics of any ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu." That is what insight is, and that is what is stated in the databook.

Ok, now that we have that down, your comment about the Byakugan bolded......clearly those things are not insight, those are separate abilities of the Byakugan itself, not really insight if you read what it is, although you are right the Byakugan has a certain degree of insight, lets not confuse things here!!

You keep saying there is no proof that the Rinnegan is somewhat resistant to genjutsu, but there is no proof that it isn't either, but the facts that I have provided give a basis as to how it could be possible, more then what anyone has said so far. And as far as "debating" on who is stronger, I feel I don't need to, no one has really given any solid evidence why any one of them would win, I could do what everyone else has done and run through a list of Negato's abilities thinking that's a surefire way of saying he will win, but we all are going to have opinions, and mine won't change, i'm more interested in the Rinnegan and determining if it can see through genjutsu, which probably should be for another thread, but anyway, that concludes this message.

i said in my post that it is possible that rinnegan might be resistant to genjutsu but you kept saying stuff like you had absolute proof and said that there is proof in the pudding and crap but I was just saying neither side have proof so your argument nor my argument is valid.

 

[kadowade]

Pain has counter for every Itachi jutsu, and he has way bigger chakra reserves. I guess that healthy Itachi would be able to destroy around 4 paths, but that would be max for him.

Actually the paths are weaker than the real Nagato.

Nagato has to be in ONE body in order to use Chibaku Tensei and he has to be EXTREMLY close to the "Real" nagato in order to use it. (As shown when he ran from naruto to get close to that tree)

Itachi should definatly win if he uses the paths.

 

[kadowade]

i said in my post that it is possible that rinnegan might be resistant to genjutsu but you kept saying stuff like you had absolute proof and said that there is proof in the pudding and crap but I was just saying neither side have proof so your argument nor my argument is valid.

*sighs* he cant accept that Pain Has Already been trapped in a Genjutsu already. Dude theres no point in trying to make him understand. He is denying the fact that Pain has already been trapped in a Genjustu and was helpless and didnt Escape.

 

[Turson]

Each of those moves you listed leaves Nagato COMPLETLY vulnerable open to ANY attack.

Nagato dont fight alongside Pain. Its not his style of fighting.

All paths share the Same Vison, so If one of them is in Tsukiyomi ALL of them would be considering they All share one mind (Nagato) And the SAme Vision.

For Nagato its just like watching TV or palying video game. Tsukiyomi wont affect him.

Amaterasu: It will take 4 ever to absorb Amaterasu

No, Pain/Nagato has ability to absorb massive techniques in very short time.

Trying to Absorb Susano"o Is Suicide.

If it would be sngle path, yes, but with few of them it would work.

Itachi can Amaterasu Chibaku Tensei

If that was true, Itachi would just use Amaterasu, without using Yasakas Magatma and asking Naruto and Bee for assistance. Amatersu dont burns that fast, I have never seen it burning through the rocks.

Shinra Tensei would not Vanquish Susano'o, The most it will do is Push susano'o back a little

A little? Shinra Tensei was able to push Gamabunta like a piece of trash.

Itachi has a counter for nagato's Techniques as well

Not really. Itachi is by far my favorite character, but he was simply inferior to Nagato.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

i said in my post that it is possible that rinnegan might be resistant to genjutsu but you kept saying stuff like you had absolute proof and said that there is proof in the pudding and crap but I was just saying neither side have proof so your argument nor my argument is valid.

No, I said I have a foundation that can prove the Rinnegan is resistant to genjutsu, I never said I had absolute proof, absolute never came out onto the keyboard until you put it. I also said I have more proof supporting my argument then anyone has stated so far, I would say my argument is pretty valid, you seemed to agree with me there.

I also said no one has proof on to who would win, people are just spatting out abilities like it's a role playing game when in reality anything can go. I never really stated whether Itachi or Negato could win, like I said, I'm only interested in the genjutsu part of this debate.

 

[khaydz5]

Each of those moves you listed leaves Nagato COMPLETLY vulnerable open to ANY attack.

Amaterasu: It will take 4 ever to absorb Amaterasu if its spreaded already, and that will leave nagato completly vulnerable trying to absorb it. And itachi would easily go in 4 the kill.

All paths share the Same Vison, so If one of them is in Tsukiyomi ALL of them would be considering they All share one mind (Nagato) And the SAme Vision. They all see the same thing.

Trying to Absorb Susano"o Is Suicide. Cuz while trying to absorb it, itachi would Seal him away since Nagato has to be Extremly CLose and he has to make contact to absorb. Itachi would knock him back with Yata Mirror, Or just Seal him, since he's close.

Itachi can Amaterasu Chibaku Tensei, since it's nothing but Rocks and a ball of chakra. Amaterasu would disenegrate The rocks and the sphere.

Shinra Tensei would not Vanquish Susano'o, The most it will do is Push susano'o back a little. But the Yata mirror is said to deflect ALL attacks, so attacking would be useless.

I could go on, but u should get the point. Itachi has a counter for nagato's Techniques as well

1. why would you even absorb all amaterasu that was spread out? that's just as dumb as you.

2. if itachi can just amaterasu chibaku tensei, he should have done it. besides, amaterasu cant melt rocks, he'll be squished if he used amaterasu and wait for it to melt. itachi will never do that,he's smarter than you kid.

3. any proof susanoo can withstand fullscale shinra tensei? how can a freakin shield deflect gravitational pull/push? that's just dumb.


you are just assuming things just as assuming itachi can use genjutsu to nagato.when it clearly shows that genjutsu is not an option for itachi in that fight.lol

 

[Kyuubikiller]

*sighs* he cant accept that Pain Has Already been trapped in a Genjutsu already. Dude theres no point in trying to make him understand. He is denying the fact that Pain has already been trapped in a Genjustu and was helpless and didnt Escape.

Negato was sealed in a genjutsu, if I need to tell you that then you really are a hopeless fanboy. Debating with you is like debating with a brick wall, he even agrees with me to an extent, you're too much in denial to do so.

 

[arv993]

Nagato dont fight alongside Pain. Its not his style of fighting.

For Nagato its just like watching TV or palying video game. Tsukiyomi wont affect him.

No, Pain/Nagato has ability to absorb massive techniques in very short time.

If it would be sngle path, yes, but with few of them it would work.

If that was true, Itachi would just use Amaterasu, without using Yasakas Magatma and asking Naruto and Bee for assistance. Amatersu dont burns that fast, I have never seen it burning through the rocks.

A little? Shinra Tensei was able to push Gamabunta like a piece of trash.

Not really. Itachi is by far my favorite character, but he was simply inferior to Nagato.

its not proven that nagato can be resistant to genjutsu, second if nagato gets close he is dead, cos itachi can easily seal him. remember in the manga it clearly states that itachi can block any attack with his yata mirror, shinra tensei is not a problem, he even blocked kirin(really strong attack) without moving and that was without yata mirror. Why would itachi use only his attack when he has 2 powerful jinchurkis next to him who can help him break it, we have no proof against or towards it saying that 3 yaska magatami or whatever does not work.

 

[arv993]

1. why would you even absorb all amaterasu that was spread out? that's just as dumb as you.

2. if itachi can just amaterasu chibaku tensei, he should have done it. besides, amaterasu cant melt rocks, he'll be squished if he used amaterasu and wait for it to melt. itachi will never do that,he's smarter than you kid.

3. any proof susanoo can withstand fullscale shinra tensei? how can a freakin shield deflect gravitational pull/push? that's just dumb.


you are just assuming things just as assuming itachi can use genjutsu to nagato.when it clearly shows that genjutsu is not an option for itachi in that fight.lol

there is no prrof against genjutsu not working on nagato, and it says in the manga that susano can block any attack and shinra tensei is an attack. Itachi blocked kirin a really powerful attack why not shinra tensei.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

its not proven that nagato can be resistant to genjutsu, second if nagato gets close he is dead, cos itachi can easily seal him. remember in the manga it clearly states that itachi can block any attack with his yata mirror, shinra tensei is not a problem, he even blocked kirin(really strong attack) without moving and that was without yata mirror. Why would itachi use only his attack when he has 2 powerful jinchurkis next to him who can help him break it, we have no proof against or towards it saying that 3 yaska magatami or whatever does not work.

we already been thro this and as i said the yata mirror might block it but that would only send susano and nagato to be pushed back a bit thats not a win win there the sword mite suck the shenrei tensei (how ever u say it) but not nagato itself

 

[kadowade]

1. why would you even absorb all amaterasu that was spread out? that's just as dumb as you.

2. if itachi can just amaterasu chibaku tensei, he should have done it. besides, amaterasu cant melt rocks, he'll be squished if he used amaterasu and wait for it to melt. itachi will never do that,he's smarter than you kid.

3. any proof susanoo can withstand fullscale shinra tensei? how can a freakin shield deflect gravitational pull/push? that's just dumb.


you are just assuming things just as assuming itachi can use genjutsu to nagato.when it clearly shows that genjutsu is not an option for itachi in that fight.lol

Lmao Genjutsu wasent an Option because it was an Edo Tensei, the only Genjutsu that has been shown to be stronger than Edo tensei's controll is Shishui's Kokoamatsuki, which is stronger than Itachi's Genjutsu. But Genjutsu works on the real nagato since jiraiya proved that.

And the Yata Mirror isn't "ANY" shield, its said to repel all attacks, in the manga its been proven in the manga. . but shinra tense may still knock it back.

And Kishi most likely wanted to show us ANOTHER secret itachi has been hiding instead of him using Amaterasu, kishi showed us Yasaka No Matagama.
but Amaterasu should disenegrate it since its only rocks and chakra.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

there is no prrof against genjutsu not working on nagato, and it says in the manga that susano can block any attack and shinra tensei is an attack. Itachi blocked kirin a really powerful attack why not shinra tensei.

more proof then you saying there is no proof, read my posts.

 

[Turson]

its not proven that nagato can be resistant to genjutsu

I see you dont know how genjutsu works. Genjutsu is ability to change flow of chakra in brain of enemy. If it will be used on path, not Nagato himslef it simply wont affect him. For Nagato controling Pain is like for you to play video game.

second if nagato gets close he is dead, cos itachi can easily seal him

Nope, if its not single path.

remember in the manga it clearly states that itachi can block any attack with his yata mirror

I never said it will break though Yatta mirror, but it will be able to push back Susanoo.

Why would itachi use only his attack when he has 2 powerful jinchurkis next to him who can help him break it

He wouldnt be wasting time for asking them for help if it was not necessary.

 

[arv993]

more proof then you saying there is no proof, read my posts.

we already talked about this there is no proof on either sides it might work it might not, and i read ur post but more insight does not mean really being resistant to genjutsu, you might be right but none of have proof against it or for it.

 

[arv993]

I see you dont know how genjutsu works. Genjutsu is ability to change flow of chakra in brain of enemy. If it will be used on path, not Nagato himslef it simply wont affect him. For Nagato controling Pain is like for you to play video game.

Nope, if its not single path.

I never said it will break though Yatta mirror, but it will be able to push back Susanoo.

He wouldnt be wasting time for asking them for help if it was not necessary.

its a lot more effort if it was just one person why would itachi waste his time be the only one attacking that would make no sense becus there are 2 powerful jincurkis standing next to him with a lot of chakra and good attacks.

I didn't say it would break it but i said that it would not push him back too much, kirin did nothing and it was not even the yata mirror which blocked but just susano itself.

and are u talking about nagato or his 6 bodies.