[Theory] Itachi is stronger than Nagato

[Kyuubikiller]

its never been stated that genjutsu is not effective against rinnegan. infact it was said pain's weakness is genjutsu.

please don't make up facts people won't take you srsly also you didn't evan know that manga is read backwards. wow

No, some nutcase Itachi fanboy who keeps posting those biased "facts" about why Itachi is better then Negato said his weakness is genjutsu, nowhere in the manga does it state Negato has a weakness to genjutsu.

Negato was caught in frog song easily because frog song overall is a more effective genjutsu because it is an audio genjutsu, which directly effects the senses, unlike the sharingan which is a visual genjutsu where eye contact has to be made.

And actually, if we want to get into why Tsukiyomi is ineffective against the Rinnegan, then we can.

In Naruto 467, page 12, Madara explains to the Kages at the summit that the Rinnegan has more insight then the MS:

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This is basically saying that the Rennigan has more insight then the Sharingan, and it is also stated to be the greatest of all Doujutsu.

Now lets see why the Sharingan is able to see through genjutsu, This is coming straight from the first Databook, I only took bits and peaces because I don't need it all, noting rewritten but as it is:

Spoiler

Databook 1 - Sharingan:
Kekkei Genkai: Sharingan
Users: Hatake Kakashi, Uchiha Sasuke
Support, Short, Mid, Long ranges. Rank: none.

Main text

The Kekkei Genkai withheld in the blood of Konoha's finest lineage, the Uchiha clan. This unique ability, manifested only in a mere fraction [of people] even within the clan, is characterized by comma*-shaped markings in one's pupils. On top of an all-encompassing insight and powerful hypnosis, these eyes are hosts to a jutsu-copying ability that memorizes the techniques their gaze falls upon in an instant, and replicates them. Just like Kakashi who, in his fight against Zabuza, used it in such a way as to look like he could predict the future; according to their methods of use, the field of variations the caster can apply to their offense and defense expands indefinitely!!

The power of insight hidden inside these eyes discerns the mechanics of all ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu without restriction, putting it above the crowd even by doujutsu standards. Furthermore, one can even see the patterns of their opponent's movements and attacks, striking firmly without fear of a counter-attack, avoiding lethal blows when defending, evading from offensive moves and so forth: one's combat ability is significantly improved in all kinds of aspects. An awe-inspiring ability for which the "Clairvoyant Eyes of Heaven**" would be an appropriate name indeed!!

Now with that said, with the use of insight, the Sharingan has the ability to see through any type of jutsu, even genjutsu, using insight!! So if Madara said the Rinnegan possesses more insight then the MS, don't you think it would be a cakewalk for it to see through a genjutsu? even Itachi's infamous Tsukiyomi?? Which I forgot to mention Sasuke broke through with some difficulty, granted Itachi was on his deathbed. Just some thought, I think I have given a good theory as to why the Rinnegan can see through genjutsu, so which fanboy disagrees?! :lili:

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

dude i kno nagato is amazing powers but the fact is sword of totsuka and the yata mirror make itachi almost invincible stop only thinking nagato's powers as god's or something he is human and he can be beat like anyone else. he doesn't have to try to seal him one after another he can get him with the sword of totsuka, like he did in the manga stop trying make the sword and the yata mirror not look great. Dude the yata mirror can block the shinra tensei and itachi has 5 seconds to hit with the sword but u talk as if nagato can use shinra tensei without any time limit. And nagato has to be close to absorb the chakra of susanno and itachi can seal him if he is close it is not easy getting close and absorbing itachi's susano, you just try to make it seem really simple but forget that its easier for itachi to attack with the sword when nagato is closer. You couldn't say anything becos gedo mazo (which nagato does not even have now) can be beaten becos Itachi can just seal him when he is that vulnerable trying to use the tech. i am not trying to disrespect you stop trying to downplay those two techs and when nagato's techs don't beat itachi u say stuff like nagato is the greatest and strongest character in the naruto universe when actually the strongest character is madara. Just becos nagato has amazing powers doesn't mean that he can't be beat.

first off Isaid that nagato was talked about being the srongest ninja.Can u read
second Im tellin you that u put too much imphases on yeta mirror and the jar
Geto is an unstoppable monster with devastating power that destroy anything
Sasuke's attacks pell in comparasen to it .the yeta mirror cant obsorb attacks it just can defend aginst it. wat will happen with the after show of geto attack. Nagato can summon 5 diffent animals and can use them as decoys to get behind susanoo then obsorb it. Just becuz Itachi has a shield and jar dosnt mean that he cant be out manuvet.FYI Nagato broke edo before itachi speard him

 

[arv993]

first off Isaid that nagato was talked about being the srongest ninja.Can u read
second Im tellin you that u put too much imphases on yeta mirror and the jar
Geto is an unstoppable monster with devastating power that destroy anything
Sasuke's attacks pell in comparasen to it .the yeta mirror cant obsorb attacks it just can defend aginst it. wat will happen with the after show of geto attack. Nagato can summon 5 diffent animals and can use them as decoys to get behind susanoo then obsorb it. Just becuz Itachi has a shield and jar dosnt mean that he cant be out manuvet.FYI Nagato broke edo before itachi speard him

nagato is slow with gedo mazo and have you seen how easily the summons can be stopped with amaterasu

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the summons won't stop him dude. Amaterasu easily stopped those animals. And u think he can pull off gedo he takes time and he can easily be sealed in that time. And itachi can use amaterasu quite a lot watch sasuke vsitachi.

And no nagato is not the strongest ninja if you don't read the manga by now it is madara.

 

[Exaar]

No, some nutcase Itachi fanboy who keeps posting those biased "facts" about why Itachi is better then Negato said his weakness is genjutsu, nowhere in the manga does it state Negato has a weakness to genjutsu.

Negato was caught in frog song easily because frog song overall is a more effective genjutsu because it is an audio genjutsu, which directly effects the senses, unlike the sharingan which is a visual genjutsu where eye contact has to be made.

And actually, if we want to get into why Tsukiyomi is ineffective against the Rinnegan, then we can.

In Naruto 467, page 12, Madara explains to the Kages at the summit that the Rinnegan has more insight then the MS:

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This is basically saying that the Rennigan has more insight then the Sharingan, and it is also stated to be the greatest of all Doujutsu.

Now lets see why the Sharingan is able to see through genjutsu, This is coming straight from the first Databook, I only took bits and peaces because I don't need it all, noting rewritten but as it is:

Spoiler

Databook 1 - Sharingan:
Kekkei Genkai: Sharingan
Users: Hatake Kakashi, Uchiha Sasuke
Support, Short, Mid, Long ranges. Rank: none.

Main text

The Kekkei Genkai withheld in the blood of Konoha's finest lineage, the Uchiha clan. This unique ability, manifested only in a mere fraction [of people] even within the clan, is characterized by comma*-shaped markings in one's pupils. On top of an all-encompassing insight and powerful hypnosis, these eyes are hosts to a jutsu-copying ability that memorizes the techniques their gaze falls upon in an instant, and replicates them. Just like Kakashi who, in his fight against Zabuza, used it in such a way as to look like he could predict the future; according to their methods of use, the field of variations the caster can apply to their offense and defense expands indefinitely!!

The power of insight hidden inside these eyes discerns the mechanics of all ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu without restriction, putting it above the crowd even by doujutsu standards. Furthermore, one can even see the patterns of their opponent's movements and attacks, striking firmly without fear of a counter-attack, avoiding lethal blows when defending, evading from offensive moves and so forth: one's combat ability is significantly improved in all kinds of aspects. An awe-inspiring ability for which the "Clairvoyant Eyes of Heaven**" would be an appropriate name indeed!!

Now with that said, with the use of insight, the Sharingan has the ability to see through any type of jutsu, even genjutsu, using insight!! So if Madara said the Rinnegan possesses more insight then the MS, don't you think it would be a cakewalk for it to see through a genjutsu? even Itachi's infamous Tsukiyomi?? Which I forgot to mention Sasuke broke through with some difficulty, granted Itachi was on his deathbed. Just some thought, I think I have given a good theory as to why the Rinnegan can see through genjutsu, so which fanboy disagrees?! :lili:

I would of thought all the Dōjutsu's would have some ocular genjutsu protection

So far we know the sharingan has and the byakugan can see though it also so i wouldn't rule out the most powerful of the 3 (rinnegan) Having some protection against ocular genjutsu

 

[Kyuubikiller]

I would of thought all the Dōjutsu's would have some ocular genjutsu protection

So far we know the sharingan has and the byakugan can see though it also so i wouldn't rule out the most powerful of the 3 (rinnegan) Having some protection against ocular genjutsu

Exactly, each Doujutsu possesses a certain degree of insight, even the Byakugan, so ninja with the highest probability of breaking a genjutsu are people who possess a doujutsu. Now throwing the Rinnegan in the mix, the greatest of all doujutsu who even Madara said had more insight then an MS Sharingan, do you really think it would fall for a visual genjutsu??? It just sound implausible to me.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

nagato is slow with gedo mazo and have you seen how easily the summons can be stopped with amaterasu

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the summons won't stop him dude. Amaterasu easily stopped those animals. And u think he can pull off gedo he takes time and he can easily be sealed in that time. And itachi can use amaterasu quite a lot watch sasuke vsitachi.

And no nagato is not the strongest ninja if you don't read the manga by now it is madara.

you see i dont understand why people say madara is the strongest he got killed by konan but used izangi to make it all a dream then as soon as he gets nagatos rinnegan hes suddenly the strongest ninja thats rubbish the same as most of the arguements that itachi is stronger i respect your opnion but saying Nagato would lose to itachi leads me to believe you are either not reading the manga properly,a fanboy or a nagato hater

 

[kadowade]

No, some nutcase Itachi fanboy who keeps posting those biased "facts" about why Itachi is better then Negato said his weakness is genjutsu, nowhere in the manga does it state Negato has a weakness to genjutsu.

Negato was caught in frog song easily because frog song overall is a more effective genjutsu because it is an audio genjutsu, which directly effects the senses, unlike the sharingan which is a visual genjutsu where eye contact has to be made.

And actually, if we want to get into why Tsukiyomi is ineffective against the Rinnegan, then we can.

In Naruto 467, page 12, Madara explains to the Kages at the summit that the Rinnegan has more insight then the MS:

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This is basically saying that the Rennigan has more insight then the Sharingan, and it is also stated to be the greatest of all Doujutsu.

Now lets see why the Sharingan is able to see through genjutsu, This is coming straight from the first Databook, I only took bits and peaces because I don't need it all, noting rewritten but as it is:

Spoiler

Databook 1 - Sharingan:
Kekkei Genkai: Sharingan
Users: Hatake Kakashi, Uchiha Sasuke
Support, Short, Mid, Long ranges. Rank: none.

Main text

The Kekkei Genkai withheld in the blood of Konoha's finest lineage, the Uchiha clan. This unique ability, manifested only in a mere fraction [of people] even within the clan, is characterized by comma*-shaped markings in one's pupils. On top of an all-encompassing insight and powerful hypnosis, these eyes are hosts to a jutsu-copying ability that memorizes the techniques their gaze falls upon in an instant, and replicates them. Just like Kakashi who, in his fight against Zabuza, used it in such a way as to look like he could predict the future; according to their methods of use, the field of variations the caster can apply to their offense and defense expands indefinitely!!

The power of insight hidden inside these eyes discerns the mechanics of all ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu without restriction, putting it above the crowd even by doujutsu standards. Furthermore, one can even see the patterns of their opponent's movements and attacks, striking firmly without fear of a counter-attack, avoiding lethal blows when defending, evading from offensive moves and so forth: one's combat ability is significantly improved in all kinds of aspects. An awe-inspiring ability for which the "Clairvoyant Eyes of Heaven**" would be an appropriate name indeed!!

Now with that said, with the use of insight, the Sharingan has the ability to see through any type of jutsu, even genjutsu, using insight!! So if Madara said the Rinnegan possesses more insight then the MS, don't you think it would be a cakewalk for it to see through a genjutsu? even Itachi's infamous Tsukiyomi?? Which I forgot to mention Sasuke broke through with some difficulty, granted Itachi was on his deathbed. Just some thought, I think I have given a good theory as to why the Rinnegan can see through genjutsu, so which fanboy disagrees?! :lili:

Where it sais user it said Kakashi and Sasuke, WEre Talking about ITACHI.

And yes Rinnegan is Powerful BUT it NEVER EVER said its immune to Genjutsu . And Sharingan can easily get him in Genjutsu, And All Genjutsu DO Not Require Eye contact, Look >

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See now Do you Think Nagato can Avoid Genjutsu?! He can't since NO WHERE do it sais "rinnegan is resistant to Genjutsu. Even if its said to be "Stronger" It didnt say it was resistant did it. Nope. So itachi dosent need eye contact, ONLY Tsukiyomi needs Eye Contact. And jiraiya even got him in one, Thats all the proof you need. Actually visual GEnjutsu should be more effective than sound genjutsu since Nagato relies Heavely on Eye Sight.

Genjustu Is Genjutsu, Dosent matter if its Sound,Visual, illusion whatever, Its Genjutsu

 

[PEIN is the answer]

Hav u seen it??!! All u Nagato fans now know that Itachi is stronger than Nagato. He even destroyed Chikudan Tensei by using Yasaka's Magatama. His strongest long range. The best part was how he handled d situation with calmness and came up with an effective counter. Itachi is d best. Nagato fans u just hav 2 agree that he is better than Nagato. Itachi rules!!!

You are the dumbest person on this sight u dumb a$$. Itachi DiD NOT destroy planatary devastation or chubei tnsei by him self you retard I hate you. It took a beast bomb from host transformation bee one of single strongest attacks in naruto and narutos giant shrunken rasengan and itachis attack to destroy it how did you miss all that you stupid itachi fan ***.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

Where it sais user it said Kakashi and Sasuke, WEre Talking about ITACHI.

And yes Rinnegan is Powerful BUT it NEVER EVER said its immune to Genjutsu . And Sharingan can easily get him in Genjutsu, And All Genjutsu DO Not Require Eye contact, Look >

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No eye contact was made.

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See now Do you Think Nagato can Avoid Genjutsu?! He can't since NO WHERE do it sais "rinnegan is resistant to Genjutsu. Even if its said to be "Stronger" It didnt say it was resistant did it. Nope. So itachi dosent need eye contact, ONLY Tsukiyomi needs Eye Contact. And jiraiya even got him in one, Thats all the proof you need. Actually visual GEnjutsu should be more effective than sound genjutsu since Nagato relies Heavely on Eye Sight.

Genjustu Is Genjutsu, Dosent matter if its Sound,Visual, illusion whatever, Its Genjutsu

-__- Really?? It doesn't matter if Itachi's name isn't on there, we know he has a Sharingan, so the rules still apply, as always you fanboys put Itachi on a God status as if rules don't apply.

The only thing that your links proved is that Itachi can use his ring to cast genjutsu as he did Naruto and Orochimaru, like you said, genjutsu is still genjutsu, and the Rinnegan, as stated by Madara, has more insight then the Sharingan, which is key to realizing and breaking genjutsu. If you choose to avoid those facts taken straight from the databook and the Manga, then you are simply a lost cause.

And it is actually stated that audio genjutsu is one of the stronger forms genjutsu can take, so your inference on visual genjutsu being stronger really has no basis. I'm not saying the Rinnegan is completely immune, but i'm saying if the facts say that it is a greater doujutsu with greater insight then a Sharingan, it should have some kind of defense against it.

I provided all the proof I needed as I said, the proof is in the pudding!! Rinnegan > Sharingan, it's that simple, I can't explain it any better then that!

 

[Kira was Righteous]

-__- Really?? It doesn't matter if Itachi's name isn't on there, we know he has a Sharingan, so the rules still apply, as always you fanboys put Itachi on a God status as if rules don't apply.

The only thing that your links proved is that Itachi can use his ring to cast genjutsu as he did Naruto and Orochimaru, like you said, genjutsu is still genjutsu, and the Rinnegan, as stated by Madara, has more insight then the Sharingan, which is key to realizing and breaking genjutsu. If you choose to avoid those facts taken straight from the databook and the Manga, then you are simply a lost cause.

And it is actually stated that audio genjutsu is one of the stronger forms genjutsu can take, so your inference on visual genjutsu being stronger really has no basis. I'm not saying the Rinnegan is completely immune, but i'm saying if the facts say that it is a greater doujutsu with greater insight then a Sharingan, it should have some kind of defense against it.

I provided all the proof I needed as I said, the proof is in the pudding!! Rinnegan > Sharingan, it's that simple, I can't explain it any better then that!

kyubi i think ... i think im falling in love with you.

 

[arv993]

you see i dont understand why people say madara is the strongest he got killed by konan but used izangi to make it all a dream then as soon as he gets nagatos rinnegan hes suddenly the strongest ninja thats rubbish the same as most of the arguements that itachi is stronger i respect your ponion but saying Nagato would lose to itachi leads me to believe you are either not reading the manga properly,a fanboy or a nagato hater

Konan made 600 billion paperbombs and she knew of his technique and knew that it lasts 5 minutes at a time. konan planned well and madara underestimated her. And anyway madfara is the strongest becus he has the rinnegan, he can do the same abilities and more he has 3 paths of the 6 paths right now he has uchiha dna,senju dna and now even the rinnegan. and he has the ems with so far he only showed his kamui(teleportation tech). And with that he is better than nagato becus nagato cannot even touch him he would be intagible to any of his attacks, he can teleport away from chibaku tensei and he can also get nagato into another dimension not to mention that he now has the rinnegan and the powers that come along with it, he wud win in a battle for those reasons i said above he is not the main villain for nothing.

Don't judge me on my opinions please cause there are valid reasons why itachi can beat nagato, I am not calling you a fanboy for believing that nagato can win, this is a fight between very high lvl shinobi with great skills obviously both have a good chance to win.

some of the reasons itachi can win are
1. We are not 100% sure if nagato is genjutsu immune so itachi's genjutsu might work and if it does then he wins
2. he has susano with yata mirror(which blocks any attack as it is said in the manga) and sword of totsuka which almost make him invincible(said in the manga). His attacks from the sword are fast and even got nagato and is one hit seal. If nagato got close to absorb it he is pretty much sealed
3. he can stop any of the summons with amaterasu
4. and if all else fails he can use 1 izangi and turn everything into a dream and use that opening to seal nagato.
5.Itachi is one of the smartest ninja in the series and he can find the weaknesses of his opponents very fast as he showed us in the manga

there are reasons why a lot of ppl say that Itachi can beat nagato and vice-versa they are not all fanboys some are but not all. i give valid reasons and gave evidence from the manga.

 

[arv993]

-__- Really?? It doesn't matter if Itachi's name isn't on there, we know he has a Sharingan, so the rules still apply, as always you fanboys put Itachi on a God status as if rules don't apply.

The only thing that your links proved is that Itachi can use his ring to cast genjutsu as he did Naruto and Orochimaru, like you said, genjutsu is still genjutsu, and the Rinnegan, as stated by Madara, has more insight then the Sharingan, which is key to realizing and breaking genjutsu. If you choose to avoid those facts taken straight from the databook and the Manga, then you are simply a lost cause.

And it is actually stated that audio genjutsu is one of the stronger forms genjutsu can take, so your inference on visual genjutsu being stronger really has no basis. I'm not saying the Rinnegan is completely immune, but i'm saying if the facts say that it is a greater doujutsu with greater insight then a Sharingan, it should have some kind of defense against it.

I provided all the proof I needed as I said, the proof is in the pudding!! Rinnegan > Sharingan, it's that simple, I can't explain it any better then that!

more insight does not mean out of genjutsu, you may be right i am not gonna say you aren't but you have no proof that more insight mean getting out of genjutsu, that has not been said anywhere in the manga. Don't get me wrong u might be right about it but there is no proof that more insight means just getting out of genjutsu, like the byakugan has more insight than sharingan in things like observing chakra in ppl, seeing if genjutsu is activated and see chakra flow much better does that mean that the byakugan is immune to tsukiyomi. It is all about skill the lvl at which you have genjutsu which itachi's is probably the best in the show even if nagato is caught in it for a second or two he is affected but like you said he might break it becos the rinnegan gives you more insight but we don't kno that for sure. just becos rinnegan is better than sharingan does not prove it.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Konan made 600 billion paperbombs and she knew of his technique and knew that it lasts 5 minutes at a time. konan planned well and madara underestimated her. And anyway madfara is the strongest becus he has the rinnegan, he can do the same abilities and more he has 3 paths of the 6 paths right now he has uchiha dna,senju dna and now even the rinnegan. and he has the ems with so far he only showed his kamui(teleportation tech). And with that he is better than nagato becus nagato cannot even touch him he would be intagible to any of his attacks, he can teleport away from chibaku tensei and he can also get nagato into another dimension not to mention that he now has the rinnegan and the powers that come along with it, he wud win in a battle for those reasons i said above he is not the main villain for nothing.

Don't judge me on my opinions please cause there are valid reasons why itachi can beat nagato, I am not calling you a fanboy for believing that nagato can win, this is a fight between very high lvl shinobi with great skills obviously both have a good chance to win.

some of the reasons itachi can win are
1. We are not 100% sure if nagato is genjutsu immune so itachi's genjutsu might work and if it does then he wins
2. he has susano with yata mirror(which blocks any attack as it is said in the manga) and sword of totsuka which almost make him invincible(said in the manga). His attacks from the sword are fast and even got nagato and is one hit seal. If nagato got close to absorb it he is pretty much sealed
3. he can stop any of the summons with amaterasu
4. and if all else fails he can use 1 izangi and turn everything into a dream and use that opening to seal nagato.
5.Itachi is one of the smartest ninja in the series and he can find the weaknesses of his opponents very fast as he showed us in the manga

there are reasons why a lot of ppl say that Itachi can beat nagato and vice-versa they are not all fanboys some are but not all. i give valid reasons and gave evidence from the manga.

yeah in all the polls Nagato winning just saying

 

[arv993]

yeah in all the polls Nagato winning just saying

dude that is just sad, and really pathetic u make your mind up based on polls and when ppl give arguments you use the polls as your answer. Polls always vary in some ones they say one thing and in other ones they say different. look at the poll on who is the strongest akatsuki, Itachi was no.1 by a longshot but is that really true, no Madara can beat itachi with rinnegan and EMS. Polls are not facts.

 

[kadowade]

Only simplistic, Biased, Followers believe Nagato is that superior to Itachi.
I havent seen any Nagato fan give me a Valid reason as to why he would win.
They rarely even show any proof of what they say, it's just opioninated Statements.

 

[arv993]

Only simplistic, Biased, Followers believe Nagato is that superior to Itachi.
I havent seen any Nagato fan give me a Valid reason as to why he would win.
They rarely even show any proof of what they say, it's just opioninated Statements.

yes, i agree and some of them even use polls as an argument why Nagato is superior.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

dude that is just sad, and really pathetic u make your mind up based on polls and when ppl give arguments you use the polls as your answer. Polls always vary in some ones they say one thing and in other ones they say different. look at the poll on who is the strongest akatsuki, Itachi was no.1 by a longshot but is that really true, no Madara can beat itachi with rinnegan and EMS. Polls are not facts.

no just saying you said people think itachis stronger first like theres more who think that but turning it around most people disagree with you

 

[kadowade]

yes, i agree and some of them even use polls as an argument why Nagato is superior.

All of their other theories failed, So Now they come up with "RInnegan is Immune to Genjutsu" When that hasent been said in the manga or Anime.

But they keep using that "insight stuff" to try 2 back up that theory which wasent clear, and didnt prove that Rinnegan is "Immune" To Genjutsu

 

[Turson]

Tsukiyomi is useless against Nagatos six paths, it wont affect Nagato. Normal genjutsu is useless, becuase if Itachi will trap one path in it Nagato will know that from the very start, seeing how vision coming from that path will differ from others. Amatersu can be absorbed, vanquished with Shinra Tensei or pulled out with Bansho Tenin. Susanoo can be absorbed, or trapped in Chibaku Tensei. Nagato has counter for every one of Itachis techniques.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

more insight does not mean out of genjutsu, you may be right i am not gonna say you aren't but you have no proof that more insight mean getting out of genjutsu, that has not been said anywhere in the manga. Don't get me wrong u might be right about it but there is no proof that more insight means just getting out of genjutsu, like the byakugan has more insight than sharingan in things like observing chakra in ppl, seeing if genjutsu is activated and see chakra flow much better does that mean that the byakugan is immune to tsukiyomi. It is all about skill the lvl at which you have genjutsu which itachi's is probably the best in the show even if nagato is caught in it for a second or two he is affected but like you said he might break it becos the rinnegan gives you more insight but we don't kno that for sure. just becos rinnegan is better than sharingan does not prove it.

"The power of insight discerns all the mechanics of any ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu." That is what insight is, and that is what is stated in the databook.

Ok, now that we have that down, your comment about the Byakugan bolded......clearly those things are not insight, those are separate abilities of the Byakugan itself, not really insight if you read what it is, although you are right the Byakugan has a certain degree of insight, lets not confuse things here!!

You keep saying there is no proof that the Rinnegan is somewhat resistant to genjutsu, but there is no proof that it isn't either, but the facts that I have provided give a basis as to how it could be possible, more then what anyone has said so far. And as far as "debating" on who is stronger, I feel I don't need to, no one has really given any solid evidence why any one of them would win, I could do what everyone else has done and run through a list of Negato's abilities thinking that's a surefire way of saying he will win, but we all are going to have opinions, and mine won't change, i'm more interested in the Rinnegan and determining if it can see through genjutsu, which probably should be for another thread, but anyway, that concludes this message.