[Theory] Itachi did not kill the Uchiha Clan

[Hafiz Dembos]

He did not because if he did then the uchiha clan would have been the weakest clan which is not so.

 

[siyo]

Could be true, never really thought itachi could wipe out his clan by himself. That really underrates the power of the uchiha clan

Exactly. The uchiha clan is known as one of the two strongest clans ever, and a clan of geniuses should be able to defend themselves against a 13 year old.I believe Itachi was ordered to murder his clansmen , but he refused because hated wars and even though he was frustrated he didn’t' think it was necessary to murder them. However, he was pressured by both sides and could only protect sasuke.

 

[Baba Yaga]

Meh.

Maybe. Maybe not. We shall see.

Though I do agree that Tobi at least helped in the killing

yea

 

[siyo]

Ehm i don't really think so... The whole Naruto series have involved the Uchiha thing this whole time. If it's all a lie I think Kishi could just as well throw the manga out the window.

It would kinda be like Naruto not being a Jinjuriki if you get what I mean Plus I don't think it eould be appropriate to shoe a mass murder On TV ( A lot of parent would complain )

But still a good theory tho

Thx and NP. We will just have to wait and see but the uchiha clan is known for their double layered genjutsu.It wouldn't really change anything, because the sacrifices have already been made and all the involving parties have been punished.

Itachi is a pacifist yes, that's why he was against the coup à tète that some members planned against Konoha. Didn't he state somewhere in the manga that he no longer considered himself as a member of the Uchiha clan because they were planning an uprising?
As for the Sasuke forcing to relive the murder spree - well, wasn't that memory from the point of view of Sasuke? That would explain why we didn't see Itachi killing the clan. I don't think Kishimoto-sensei ever really focused on Itachi's memories or thoughts.
And I can believe that Itachi was able to kill the clan - he was practically the strongest of them all, he even had acquired the Mangekyou Sharingan which only a few Uchihas had achieved in the past.
So as long as the manga doesn't explicit say that Itachi didn't kill the clan, I'm going to believe he did it for the sake of peace in the village.

Tsukuyomi is an illusion that is completely controlled by the user; Itachi can even alter time and perception so it would easy for him to make Sasuke see the, nonexistent, massacre. As you said, Kishi didn't show a lot off details-more imporantly, we didn't see Itachi get his hands dirty.Nothing is ever a coincidence in this manga and Itachi is adamant about telling Sasuke the truth.We have not seen Itachi directly kill anybody.

Itachi might have been the strongest, but the uchiha clan, as a whole, was known as a power clan.It doesn't make sense unless Tobi helped- which I doubt because I don't see why Itachi would work with Madara.

 

[Sasunarufan13]

Tsukuyomi is an illusion that is completely controlled by the user; Itachi can even alter time and perception so it would easy for him to make Sasuke see the, nonexistent, massacre. As you said, Kishi didn't show a lot off details-more imporantly, we didn't see Itachi get his hands dirty.Nothing is ever a coincidence in this manga and Itachi is adamant about telling Sasuke the truth.We have not seen Itachi directly kill anybody.

Itachi might have been the strongest, but the uchiha clan, as a whole, was known as a power clan.It doesn't make sense unless Tobi helped- which I doubt because I don't see why Itachi would work with Madara.

You're right about them being a power clan but Itachi was considered a prodigy. Plus like I stated he was one of the few who awakened the Mangekyou Sharingan which gave him an advantage against the others. And you're also right about Itachi not willing to work with Tobi but he was a spy for Konoha if I remember correctly. It would benefit Itachi more as a spy if Tobi believed him to be on his side. Point is that we don't know a lot about that night - but still I would be a bit annoyed if it turned out that Itachi didn't kill the whole clan, and it would get a bit confusing too.
So while your theory is interesting and well thought out, I just like to believe that Itachi indeed killed his clan. But I guess we just have to wait and see what the manga tells us ^^;

 

[Avani]

Spoiler

I have always believed Itachi had massacred his clan, but the longer this story continues, the more confusing the events get. I don’t know if we are dealing with a retcon or not, but Kishi clearly wants us - through characters- accepting Itachi, as a remorseful hero, who’s always been loyal to Konoha. "I will always be Itachi uchiha of the hidden leaf village"- Itachi.

Obviously, this isn’t possible with a guy who committed “genocide” which is why I think Kishi plans on dropping a bomb before Itachi goes away, permanently. Kabuto, repeatedly, emphasizes on Itachi’s lying capabilities and there’s a reason for that…

First of all, on the night of the massacre, we did not actually see Itachi go on a killing spree. No women no baby no anything. He made Sasuke relive witnessing his parents’ death, yes, but we didn’t actually see bloodshed on Itachi’s part. Kishi left it very open, with good reason; he only made us privy to very few details so he could change it later on. The only time we actually saw Itachi on the crime scene was when he was found in his parents’ room. I mean for all we know, he just arrived to the scene as well, or he had to personally be there so he could convince Sasuke that he was the murderer. Are we supposed to believe that a so-called pacifist would join forces with a maniac like Madara, and, willingly, rid the world of the uchiha clan all together?

Secondly, Itachi has remained very vague whenever the subject is brought up (he even told Naruto to be quiet), and the only thing Itachi fully acknowledges is the fact that he ruined Sasuke’s life. All the other stuff can easily change based on what really happened back then. On the other hand, he pretty much told Sasuke, that most things aren’t what they seem.

Finally, Itachi has flaws. Everyone can see them. However, all these flaws are completely ignored by everyone interacting with him. Almost like they all have blinders on. He is treated as a heroic, respected figure you better listen to, despite his track record suggesting otherwise. Naruto yelled and punched his own farther, yet blindly accepted everything Itachi had to say- including his comparison with the evil Madara. Killer B took it a step further and actually praised Itachi which tells me Itachi will someday be redeemed.

Who killed the clan?

Tobi or Danzo.

Nice analysis and something which has been on my mind ever since I learned that Tobi was with him. I never believed the story of Itachi killing his clan just to measure his strength in the first place. He always had a mysterious aura around him which didn't match such a shallow reasoning to wipe all the Uchihas. It was always like there got to be more to that story.

Naruto yelling at his own father was different case though, That was personal to him. It was not a surprise that he believed and accepted Itachi- He had seen Itachi just before his death and that meeting had left him wondering about him. When Tobi narrated the story it kind of fit and finally he got confirmation directly from Itachi. So accepting it easy. Then, Naruto has been kind of always privy to many Konoha secrets all through years..

Everyone has flaws. Itachi had his own but he is already dead and while he lived he chose his own punishment. A lot of people lived a peaceful life- A whole new generation of shinobies( Konha11) got a chance to survive and grow. He doesn't complain nor he dwells on it drowning himself in self pity for his losses or the hate he had to endure for his actions which were good for whole village but him. So despising him for it has no meaning. You shouldn't grudge him the respect he gets from a select few who know the truth.

 

[siyo]

You're right about them being a power clan but Itachi was considered a prodigy. Plus like I stated he was one of the few who awakened the Mangekyou Sharingan which gave him an advantage against the others. And you're also right about Itachi not willing to work with Tobi but he was a spy for Konoha if I remember correctly. It would benefit Itachi more as a spy if Tobi believed him to be on his side. Point is that we don't know a lot about that night - but still I would be a bit annoyed if it turned out that Itachi didn't kill the whole clan, and it would get a bit confusing too.
So while your theory is interesting and well thought out, I just like to believe that Itachi indeed killed his clan. But I guess we just have to wait and see what the manga tells us ^^;

Iddeed, we will have to see.

Nice analysis and something which has been on my mind ever since I learned that Tobi was with him. I never believed the story of Itachi killing his clan just to measure his strength in the first place. He always had a mysterious aura around him which didn't match such a shallow reasoning to wipe all the Uchihas. It was always like there got to be more to that story.

Naruto yelling at his own father was different case though, That was personal to him. It was not a surprise that he believed and accepted Itachi- He had seen Itachi just before his death and that meeting had left him wondering about him. When Tobi narrated the story it kind of fit and finally he got confirmation directly from Itachi. So accepting it easy. Then, Naruto has been kind of always privy to many Konoha secrets all through years..

Everyone has flaws. Itachi had his own but he is already dead and while he lived he chose his own punishment. A lot of people lived a peaceful life- A whole new generation of shinobies( Konha11) got a chance to survive and grow. He doesn't complain nor he dwells on it drowning himself in self pity for his losses or the hate he had to endure for his actions which were good for whole village but him. So despising him for it has no meaning. You shouldn't grudge him the respect he gets from a select few who know the truth.

Thx. He is perhaps the most mysteries figure in the manga, and we receive a lot of info without actually getting any wiser. Why does Itachi keep alluding to the fact that reality may be a work of fiction? He obviously hiding something and Tobi getting involved makes it even worse. The only problem I had was why would Itachi take the blame and flee the country when he was innocent all along?

The only logical explanation is that he was threatened by either Tobi or Danzo (they might have even worked together). Danzo was always power hungry and he really despised the Uchiha clan. He set his eyes on all the sharingans and it wouldn’t be too far-fetched to think that the root took action and eliminated the clan. After all Danzo also despised the third and this would be an excellent opportunity to get on his level. Itachi realized that he couldn’t take them all on- since they act under the shadows thus could kill Sasuke before itachi could even react, so he made a bargain with them and made sure they would leave Sasuke alone as long as Itachi took the blame. Or they had already executed the plan and Itachi himself took initiative.


It may also tie into how Danzo got a hold of Shisui’s eye ( and his role ingeneral) .


Good point about everyone making mistakes, but it was out of character of Naruto to not question Itachi after what he did to Sasuke.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

I have always believed Itachi had massacred his clan, but the longer this story continues, the more confusing the events get. I don’t know if we are dealing with a retcon or not, but Kishi clearly wants us - through characters- accepting Itachi, as a remorseful hero, who’s always been loyal to Konoha. "I will always be Itachi uchiha of the hidden leaf village"- Itachi.

Obviously, this isn’t possible with a guy who committed “genocide” which is why I think Kishi plans on dropping a bomb before Itachi goes away, permanently. Kabuto, repeatedly, emphasizes on Itachi’s lying capabilities and there’s a reason for that…

First of all, on the night of the massacre, we did not actually see Itachi go on a killing spree. No women no baby no anything. He made Sasuke relive witnessing his parents’ death, yes, but we didn’t actually see bloodshed on Itachi’s part. Kishi left it very open, with good reason; he only made us privy to very few details so he could change it later on. The only time we actually saw Itachi on the crime scene was when he was found in his parents’ room. I mean for all we know, he just arrived to the scene as well, or he had to personally be there so he could convince Sasuke that he was the murderer. Are we supposed to believe that a so-called pacifist would join forces with a maniac like Madara, and, willingly, rid the world of the uchiha clan all together?

Secondly, Itachi has remained very vague whenever the subject is brought up (he even told Naruto to be quiet), and the only thing Itachi fully acknowledges is the fact that he ruined Sasuke’s life. All the other stuff can easily change based on what really happened back then. On the other hand, he pretty much told Sasuke, that most things aren’t what they seem.

Finally, Itachi has flaws. Everyone can see them. However, all these flaws are completely ignored by everyone interacting with him. Almost like they all have blinders on. He is treated as a heroic, respected figure you better listen to, despite his track record suggesting otherwise. Naruto yelled and punched his own farther, yet blindly accepted everything Itachi had to say- including his comparison with the evil Madara. Killer B took it a step further and actually praised Itachi which tells me Itachi will someday be redeemed.

Who killed the clan?

Tobi or Danzo.

he had to personally be there so he could convince Sasuke that he was the murderer

So....... WHY did he take the wrap for whoever DID kill the Clan...? And why would he lie to Sauske about it...? And lastly, why would he want Sauske to kim him if he didn't feel guilt of killing his Clan...? THIS MAKES NO SENSE.



Who killed the clan?

Tobi or Danzo

Dude, wtf? Danzo couldn't kill Sauske by himself and he had 10 sharigan eyes and Shisui's eye. HOW COULD HE KILL ALL THE ULCHIHA BY HIMSELF WITHOUT USING IZANAGI/IZANAMI??? And He would have had Shisui's eye at this time, but unable to use it unless he had the Hashi Arm before he started the killing spree, but IDK why he would have Hashi's cells in him before he had all the other sharigan. Fail.



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[Zato]

This could be the case. Itachi probably lied to Tobi and told him he wanted to keep Sasuke alive to take his eyes further down the road. Tobi probably just went along with it and decided not to attack Konoha as a pact with Itachi and killing off the Uchiha clan.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Not a chance Itachi did kill the clan Tobi doing everything on his own would make no sense as it was Konoha's plan to massacre the Uchiha in advance of the coup. This fact was independently verified by Danzo as well. Itachi is'nt the type of person who would have backed away from carrying out the responsibility that Konoha gave him, i.e to wipe out his own clan. He had help, we know but he did'nt sit back and let Tobi do all the work, that would suggest a weakness of resolve on Itachi's part which is false and runs contrary to his persona.

Besides, if Tobi were willing and capable of carrying this all out than Danzo could have just struck a deal with him and it would have been a lot easier as then they could blame an outside rogue terrorist of causing mayhem in Konoha by killing one of their major clans rather than the somewhat embarrassing option of letting the world know that one of their own Anbu became a murdering rogue and a villain.

 

[JakeLife510]

If this is true. How will Sasuke react?

 

[Baka Sennin]

that could very well be true, maybe itachi just made himself the scapegoat to protect both konoha's honour and the uchiha's, while saving the village from tobi. i'm not sure itachi's killed anyone so far, although some of his actions in part 1 are very questionable to say the least.

 

[Dean-Winchester]

notice how danzo said to tobi
that they havent seen each other since the uchiha massacre

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[Uchihajin Sasuke]

I have always believed Itachi had massacred his clan, but the longer this story continues, the more confusing the events get. I don’t know if we are dealing with a retcon or not, but Kishi clearly wants us - through characters- accepting Itachi, as a remorseful hero, who’s always been loyal to Konoha. "I will always be Itachi uchiha of the hidden leaf village"- Itachi.

Obviously, this isn’t possible with a guy who committed “genocide” which is why I think Kishi plans on dropping a bomb before Itachi goes away, permanently. Kabuto, repeatedly, emphasizes on Itachi’s lying capabilities and there’s a reason for that…

First of all, on the night of the massacre, we did not actually see Itachi go on a killing spree. No women no baby no anything. He made Sasuke relive witnessing his parents’ death, yes, but we didn’t actually see bloodshed on Itachi’s part. Kishi left it very open, with good reason; he only made us privy to very few details so he could change it later on. The only time we actually saw Itachi on the crime scene was when he was found in his parents’ room. I mean for all we know, he just arrived to the scene as well, or he had to personally be there so he could convince Sasuke that he was the murderer. Are we supposed to believe that a so-called pacifist would join forces with a maniac like Madara, and, willingly, rid the world of the uchiha clan all together?

Secondly, Itachi has remained very vague whenever the subject is brought up (he even told Naruto to be quiet), and the only thing Itachi fully acknowledges is the fact that he ruined Sasuke’s life. All the other stuff can easily change based on what really happened back then. On the other hand, he pretty much told Sasuke, that most things aren’t what they seem.

Finally, Itachi has flaws. Everyone can see them. However, all these flaws are completely ignored by everyone interacting with him. Almost like they all have blinders on. He is treated as a heroic, respected figure you better listen to, despite his track record suggesting otherwise. Naruto yelled and punched his own farther, yet blindly accepted everything Itachi had to say- including his comparison with the evil Madara. Killer B took it a step further and actually praised Itachi which tells me Itachi will someday be redeemed.

Who killed the clan?

Tobi or Danzo.

I also have been suspecting the same, but I just don't want to go through all the trouble of making a long thread and explaining it to people, +reps

I suspect it is both Tobi's and Danzo, part of their "big plan",

Itachi was more like a pawn to be put the "blame on" so nobody would suspect the elders and their plans go smoothly without any problems.

Sasuke was more like a bonus to Tobi, due to this plan.

 

[Athug]

That was well thought out good job.

 

[Edge]

Extremely plausible, I think this is what's going to happen.

Sasuke wants to hear "The Truth" from Itachi, it just so happens that we haven't actually heard about the actual events of the massacre from Itachi's own lips. He must be hiding something, and since we know Tobi fabrcated his tale somewhat, he probably lied or seriously minimized his actual involvement.

After all, Itachi wanted to die knowing that Sasuke had killed the supposed killer of the entire clan. He wouldn't have wanted Sasuke to know that he had killed his own brother for nothing. Also, Tobi wants Sasuke for some reason (to sync with Gedo?) and is purposely keeping him on a revenge-quest. Tobi telling the truth (if he killed the entire clan) wouldn't have achieved this with Sasuke.

We also know that Itachi may have been scared from all the killing/death in the Third Nin War, how could he kill his entire clan? Tobi must have done a majority of th ekillings if not all of them (with Danzo maybe since we know Tobi and Danzo at least saw each other during the masacre).

Great theory

 

[UchihaShippuden]

Explains how Danzo was in possession of those Sharingan, but Orochimaru never seemed capable of getting one. But why do it? Either they're lying about the planned coup and there was some other purpose to destroying the Uchiha, but who could've done it, alone? Only Itachi...maybe. I've always wondered how Itachi could destroy his entire clan and die at the hands of Sasuke (even with sickness), but then it was suggested he had help. So, if Itachi needed help, but didn't really kill them, how many people were needed to take down that many Sharingan users? Was it a silent army of trained ROOT members?

 

[Edge]

Explains how Danzo was in possession of those Sharingan, but Orochimaru never seemed capable of getting one. But why do it? Either they're lying about the planned coup and there was some other purpose to destroying the Uchiha, but who could've done it, alone? Only Itachi...maybe. I've always wondered how Itachi could destroy his entire clan and die at the hands of Sasuke (even with sickness), but then it was suggested he had help. So, if Itachi needed help, but didn't really kill them, how many people were needed to take down that many Sharingan users? Was it a silent army of trained ROOT members?

Furthermore, how did no one in the village witness or see any signs of struggle? The ENTIRE UCHIHA clan was wiped out and no one heard or saw anything?

Speculation, but what if Tobi used Izanami to insta-kill the entire clan at once? It's a strong possibility that Izanami has the opposite effects as Izanagi. Izanagi turns reality into illusions and Izanami should turn illusions into reality.

This would also explain how Itachi knows about Izanami too.

 

[JWSoul]

I have always believed Itachi had massacred his clan, but the longer this story continues, the more confusing the events get. I don’t know if we are dealing with a retcon or not, but Kishi clearly wants us - through characters- accepting Itachi, as a remorseful hero, who’s always been loyal to Konoha. "I will always be Itachi uchiha of the hidden leaf village"- Itachi.

Obviously, this isn’t possible with a guy who committed “genocide” which is why I think Kishi plans on dropping a bomb before Itachi goes away, permanently. Kabuto, repeatedly, emphasizes on Itachi’s lying capabilities and there’s a reason for that…

First of all, on the night of the massacre, we did not actually see Itachi go on a killing spree. No women no baby no anything. He made Sasuke relive witnessing his parents’ death, yes, but we didn’t actually see bloodshed on Itachi’s part. Kishi left it very open, with good reason; he only made us privy to very few details so he could change it later on. The only time we actually saw Itachi on the crime scene was when he was found in his parents’ room. I mean for all we know, he just arrived to the scene as well, or he had to personally be there so he could convince Sasuke that he was the murderer. Are we supposed to believe that a so-called pacifist would join forces with a maniac like Madara, and, willingly, rid the world of the uchiha clan all together?

Secondly, Itachi has remained very vague whenever the subject is brought up (he even told Naruto to be quiet), and the only thing Itachi fully acknowledges is the fact that he ruined Sasuke’s life. All the other stuff can easily change based on what really happened back then. On the other hand, he pretty much told Sasuke, that most things aren’t what they seem.

Finally, Itachi has flaws. Everyone can see them. However, all these flaws are completely ignored by everyone interacting with him. Almost like they all have blinders on. He is treated as a heroic, respected figure you better listen to, despite his track record suggesting otherwise. Naruto yelled and punched his own farther, yet blindly accepted everything Itachi had to say- including his comparison with the evil Madara. Killer B took it a step further and actually praised Itachi which tells me Itachi will someday be redeemed.

Who killed the clan?

Tobi or Danzo.

Yeah its pretty obvious especially in the last 2 chapters that the massacre is not all it seems. Glad someone pointed this out because this is exactly what i have been thinking.

Something is off in all this the fact Itachi and Sasuke both have Sussano and pretty much the same ability as Madara is also a point of contention in my mind.

 

[siyo]

he had to personally be there so he could convince Sasuke that he was the murderer

So....... WHY did he take the wrap for whoever DID kill the Clan...? And why would he lie to Sauske about it...? And lastly, why would he want Sauske to kim him if he didn't feel guilt of killing his Clan...? THIS MAKES NO SENSE.

Why is it so hard to get? Itachi is not some god who can take out the majority of the village while also protecting his little brother which was already his nr1 priority. We already know Itachi made a deal with both Danzo and Tobi, individually, so obviously Itachi did the only thing he felt he could do at that time. He didn’t tell Sasuke because he didn’t want Sasuke to attack the elders, attack Tobi, and, more importantly, he didn’t want Sasuke to hate anybody but him. Itachi would still feel guilt from the fact that he couldn’t save his clan, he chose Sasuke over their life and he believed he didn’t have a right to do that- which is why he wanted to die by Sasuke’s hands.

Who killed the clan?

Tobi or Danzo

Dude, wtf? Danzo couldn't kill Sauske by himself and he had 10 sharigan eyes and Shisui's eye. HOW COULD HE KILL ALL THE ULCHIHA BY HIMSELF WITHOUT USING IZANAGI/IZANAMI??? And He would have had Shisui's eye at this time, but unable to use it unless he had the Hashi Arm before he started the killing spree, but IDK why he would have Hashi's cells in him before he had all the other sharigan. Fail.

Danzo could not use Shisui’s eye in that battle, and nowhere did I suggest that Danzo did it alone (although he was a hokage candidate and he wouldn't do much worse than a 13 year old Itachi). When I say Danzo I clearly mean him and his goons, and obviously they operated during the night which they, as an underground spy agency, specialize in. He could have also already acquired the senju cells because Orochimaro likely worked with him before he left the village, plus you don’t need sharingans to enjoy the benefits from senju cells.Tobi also played an unknown role and we know that him and Danzo saw each other the night of the massacre so they could have made a deal as well.

Try and be a little more open-minded, and you should a least acknowledge that we haven't heard the truth in its entirety.