Itachi can copy both FTG AND Minatos reflexes with the sharingan

[FreakensteinAG]

It's not fair to say 'oh well it might not work in another similar situation' because that's how the sharingan was defined to work in the actual manga.

The problem I'm addressing is that you're comparing 2-tomoe Sasuke vs. Gaara with Itachi vs. Minato. The factors are too different to use that manga page as an analysis. This isn't a matter of "it won't work in a similar situation", but a "this is too different to base one thing off another".

Minato doesn't have any special speed enhancements so his reflexes can be copied.

Minato's base speed can be detected by any 3-tomoe Sharingan. When he uses FTG, however, this is a teleportation from one area to the next. We're talking about a "speed of light" travel. When Itachi can detect light particles traveling between two distances, come talk to me.

You mean to say years more of experience with the sharingan's ocular powers yields no improvement in the users efficiency? I disagree.

We saw a clear transition in detection between 2-tomoe and 3-tomoe, but we have never been told how much more a shinobi can detect between just getting 3-tomoe and more. This is the only evidence we have, unless someone out there can provide me more analysis of this.

 

[bigfatloser]

You cannot copy speed and reflexes.

It took Sasuke a whole month to copy lees high speed, while training. Itachi cant do that in a battle.

That wasn't speed training, it was to learn his new move, chidori. He mastered lees speed the second he saw lee fight. he wasn't even in combat with lee.

 

[Bogard]

1- Itachi isn't a copy ninja, he isn't Kakashi
2- Not even Kakashi managed to copy it despite have been Minato's greatest student
3- Sharingan can only copy jutsu up til A rank, and they even have to be elemental jutsu. FTG isn't only a S-rank(above A-rank), but it's not elemental
4- Sharingan doesn't copy speed/reflexes. Sasuke only analysed Lee's movements. He still needed a great amount of training to reach that level

 

[bigfatloser]

Look a sharingan user cant copy stamina or reflexes. as itachi stated that in part 1 that kakashi lacks the uchiha stamina for the sharingan and that something he cant copy.

Is what itachi actually said.

Itachi did not mention reflexes so if you want to say that he did please provide a scan.

PS no such scan exists.

Minato in base speed was able to turn around and throw a kunai, while Raikage was at full speed directly at him.

Itachi hasnt showed a feat like that

he would as soon as he copied minato

 

[thesurvivor]

no he cant minato is too fast

 

[bigfatloser]

1- Itachi isn't a copy ninja, he isn't Kakashi
2- Not even Kakashi managed to copy it despite have been Minato's greatest student
3- Sharingan can only copy jutsu up til A rank, and they even have to be elemental jutsu. FTG isn't only a S-rank(above A-rank), but it's not elemental
4- Sharingan doesn't copy speed/reflexes. Sasuke only analysed Lee's movements. He still needed a great amount of training to reach that level

2, kakashi was a little kid with 1 sharingan and no one to teach him how to use it.
3, proof
4, wrong

 

[Bakimono]

Wrong just wrong if a Sharingon can do that why didn't photo do it against him? Anyways FTG doesn't require handsigns just a marked kuini or place to teleport to as for reflexes thaw true but not even sasake , who is faster than Itachi, could stand on par with him. I love Itachi I think he could beat minito like a 50% chance but he can't copy FTG .

 

[foxyladyland]

Minato uses SEALS for FTG so Itachi would have to know the SEAL to perform that JUTSU.
if it is somehow a kekkei genkai he probably cant though, unless he steals some DNA.

 

[The Necromancer]

1- Itachi isn't a copy ninja, he isn't Kakashi
2- Not even Kakashi managed to copy it despite have been Minato's greatest student
3- Sharingan can only copy jutsu up til A rank, and they even have to be elemental jutsu. FTG isn't only a S-rank(above A-rank), but it's not elemental
4- Sharingan doesn't copy speed/reflexes. Sasuke only analysed Lee's movements. He still needed a great amount of training to reach that level

1. doesn't apply, as it's a specific characteristic of the sharingan. Something all users can do.
2. Is true, I'll give you that. However, Itachi is still a greater master of the sharingan than kakashi. You may still be right though.
3. Is speculation. Show me a scan of that please.
4. Is wrong. Sasuke was able to copy finger movements during the chunin exam. Itachi was able to copy shisui's handwriting. It can copy movements and bodily abilities. I do agree, however, that Itachi may not be able to do so to that extent in the middle of battle.

This is all in reference to copying his FOOTSPEED. Not FTG. I don't think he would copy FTG.

 

[bigfatloser]

Minato uses SEALS for FTG so Itachi would have to know the SEAL to perform that JUTSU.
if it is somehow a kekkei genkai he probably cant though, unless he steals some DNA.

it's not a kekkei genkai as other jounin can use it. seals may or may not be able to be copied by the sharingan it has never been stated. I will give it a 80% itachi can copy it.

 

[November]

Itachi is already fast; he doesn't need ftg.

 

[Itachi The Solo King]

1- Itachi isn't a copy ninja, he isn't Kakashi
2- Not even Kakashi managed to copy it despite have been Minato's greatest student
3- Sharingan can only copy jutsu up til A rank, and they even have to be elemental jutsu. FTG isn't only a S-rank(above A-rank), but it's not elemental
4- Sharingan doesn't copy speed/reflexes. Sasuke only analysed Lee's movements. He still needed a great amount of training to reach that level

Itachi solo's minato. you know it

 

[bigfatloser]

Itachi is already fast; he doesn't need ftg.

in this match-up he wins instantly so speed is actually a moot point, minato would never even have a chance to use FTG. interesting hypothetical though.

 

[Erin]

Minato in base speed was able to turn around and throw a kunai, while Raikage was at full speed directly at him.

Itachi hasnt showed a feat like that

Itachi was able to surpass the comprehension of three, 3 tomoe sharingan, police force officers. Before any notable reactions could occur, itachi was able to incapacitate each one of them and knock/throw them several feet into the street, itachi himself also appearing farther into the street.

Not only that, but itachi's reactions should be highly increased by the sharingan's perception itachi a great match for the jutsu.





I still don't see itachi copying a jutsu like minato's though.

 

[The Necromancer]

Itachi was able to surpass the comprehension of three, 3 tomoe sharingan, police force officers. Before any notable reactions could occur, itachi was able to incapacitate each one of them and knock/throw them several feet into the street, itachi himself also appearing farther into the street.

Not only that, but itachi's reactions are extremely increased by the sharingan's perception itachi a great match for the jutsu.

Don't forget that Itachi was able to surprise Bee from behind and avoid Bee's retaliation when he figured it out, something minato did not do.

 

[Erin]

We saw a clear transition in detection between 2-tomoe and 3-tomoe, but we have never been told how much more a shinobi can detect between just getting 3-tomoe and more. This is the only evidence we have, unless someone out there can provide me more analysis of this.

I'm talking about experience, as would be the only difference in sasuke with little experience being able to copy lee's moves and kakashi being a copying expert copying moves like rasengan or water dragon bullet.

 

[Prime Rib]

Is what itachi actually said.

Itachi did not mention reflexes so if you want to say that he did please provide a scan.

PS no such scan exists.



he would as soon as he copied minato

reflexes is not a jutsu thus you cant copy

 

[Bogard]

1. doesn't apply, as it's a specific characteristic of the sharingan. Something all users can do.
2. Is true, I'll give you that. However, Itachi is still a greater master of the sharingan than kakashi. You may still be right though.
3. Is speculation. Show me a scan of that please.
4. Is wrong. Sasuke was able to copy finger movements during the chunin exam. Itachi was able to copy shisui's handwriting. It can copy movements and bodily abilities. I do agree, however, that Itachi may not be able to do so to that extent in the middle of battle.

This is all in reference to copying his FOOTSPEED. Not FTG. I don't think he would copy FTG.

I can't show pics currently since i'm on my phone, but i'll try to explain

- There are 6chakra recomposition. The 5chakra natures and the yin-yang. FTG fall under the yin-yang category like the Nara's shadow possessing technique or Akimichi's baika no jutsu, in order words, techniques that Sharingan are not capable to copy

 

[Bogard]

Itachi was able to surpass the comprehension of three, 3 tomoe sharingan, police force officers. Before any notable reactions could occur, itachi was able to incapacitate each one of them and knock/throw them several feet into the street, itachi himself also appearing farther into the street.

Not only that, but itachi's reactions should be highly increased by the sharingan's perception itachi a great match for the jutsu.

Off-panel feats are off-panel. We only saw the finishing blow. We don't know what happened during the battle

 

[The Necromancer]

I can't show pics currently since i'm on my phone, but i'll try to explain

- There are 6chakra recomposition. The 5chakra natures and the yin-yang. FTG fall under the yin-yang category like the Nara's shadow possessing technique or Akimichi's baika no jutsu, in order words, techniques that Sharingan are not capable to copy

The sharingan copies any and all abilities the user himself can perform. That includes secret jutsu. Literally anything that is not too complicated, such as raikiri and rasengan, or a KKG.