Itachi can copy both FTG AND Minatos reflexes with the sharingan

[VongolaX]

The sharingan can be use to copy the taijustu/speed with just a glance

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Even with Bee's taijustu he can read them without looking at him.


BUT!!!


The sharingan cannot copy ftg seal (emphasizes on the seal) he doesn't have the contract for it

Also following Minato had a sharingan user as his student (obito), if he was able to point out the strengths and weaknesses to kakashi and his signature move......What makes you think a sharingan user like itachi is going to surprise him?

There is a reason why Obito didn't use a sharingan genjustu on his sense (he knows it's not going to work)

 

[RikudouMadara]

The sharingan can be use to copy the taijustu/speed with just a glance

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Even with Bee's taijustu he can read them without looking at him.


BUT!!!


The sharingan cannot copy ftg seal (emphasizes on the seal) he doesn't have the contract for it

Also following Minato had a sharingan user as his student (obito), if he was able to point out the strengths and weaknesses to kakashi and his signature move......What makes you think a sharingan user like itachi is going to surprise him?

There is a reason why Obito didn't use a sharingan genjustu on his sense (he knows it's not going to work)

Does FTG require a contract? All seals do not, but if it does then I have no argument(not arguing). But if it doesn't require a contract then Itachi can copy it as the sharingan can copy seals. I'm arguing this a little...I would really like one of the experts like Lightbringer, Shells, or Sir Derp to come in and clarify or debunk what I'm saying. I know if anyone knows it's one of those guys.:yayy:

 

[maxwellwilson02]

I understand and very much like what you say, but any other ninja does not possess the Sharingan. Even moreso, a lot of Uchiha don't even possess the Sharingan prowess that Itachi has/had. Nao, it is said that Sharingan can copy a seal and use it and utilize it. I think there is the difference between a ordinary ninja seeing it vs a Uchiha. It's like how Kakashi copied Zabuzas attack by seeing it but someone without the sharingan could see it but still not copy it, correct? Nao, I would wholeheartedly agree if not for the Sharingans ability. Again no disrespect.

The problem is you are comparing it to regular ninjutsu which uses handseals. The seals for ftg are a different type, they are a formula on an object. Knowing the seals won't allow you to perform it without actually knowing how the jutsu works or how he jumps through space and time instantaneously. You don't need a sharingan to see the ftg seal as its written on a piece of paper or on an object. Any regular eyes can see it.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

That's not how sharingan works. Sharingan can only copy jutsu with hand signs. FTG has none. If sharingan could copy jutsu that doesn't have hand sings, then Sasuke should have easily copied A's lightning armor. There's no reason other than hand signs since he has a lightning chakra nature. The only way he could copy reflexes it is by observing it, and then train with the actions he remembered to get them, but that doesn't help in a fight. Same with FTG.

 

[RikudouMadara]

The problem is you are comparing it to regular ninjutsu which uses handseals. The seals for ftg are a different type, they are a formula on an object. Knowing the seals won't allow you to perform it without actually knowing how the jutsu works or how he jumps through space and time instantaneously. You don't need a sharingan to see the ftg seal as its written on a piece of paper or on an object. Any regular eyes can see it.

Ok I'm asking...if the Sharingan can copy seals, not contract seals, and it is a ninjutsu which the Sharingan can copy unless a KG. Then what makes the FTG different? The sharingan can see the chakra on the kunai correct? What I'm saying is can fact be denied? It is fact that the copying wheel can copy seals it isn't specified what type of seal. Even though contracts are out. I believe Itachi can see Minato or enough to react and understand the Jutsu. Just my opinion. It's a seal and ninjutsu which the Sharingan is said as fact to be able to copy. I'm saying once he exhumes the formula everything about the Jutsu should be brought to light. As the sharingan allows access to the complete knowledge of the Jutsu even of how to utilize it, correct?

 

[maxwellwilson02]

Ok I'm asking...if the Sharingan can copy seals, not contract seals, and it is a ninjutsu which the Sharingan can copy unless a KG. Then what makes the FTG different? The sharingan can see the chakra on the kunai correct? What I'm saying is can fact be denied? It is fact that the copying wheel can copy seals it isn't specified what type of seal. Even though contracts are out. I believe Itachi can see Minato or enough to react and understand the Jutsu. Just my opinion. It's a seal and ninjutsu which the Sharingan is said as fact to be able to copy. I'm saying once he exhumes the formula everything about the Jutsu should be bought to light. As the sharingan allows access to the complete knowledge of the Jutsu even of how to utilize it, correct?

The problem is once again the lack of knowing how ftg works. No one knows except those shown how its done. What matters is not so much the chakra on the seals but what minato does to get there. We simply don't know and the sharingan won't show him that as ftg is instantaneous.the sharingan isn't an all seeing eye. It has many advantages but ftg is not something can just be looked at and understand.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

In order for Itachi to cop FTG, one of the following things has to happen. A. He knows how to use sealing and observes the seal used for FTG and see Minato teleport. B. He needs to see Minato place a seal on an object, but that's not likely since he already has kunai and would only do it against Itachi. If Minato did this, he'd kill Itach instantly.

 

[TrollingSage]

I don't even....
How the hell does one copy reflexes or reaction time?

 

[maxwellwilson02]

I don't even....
How the hell does one copy reflexes or reaction time?

Impossible, same as speed. There are many misconceptions on the sharingan on this board. It can track them but those aren't something that can be copied.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I don't even....
How the hell does one copy reflexes or reaction time?

Sasuke did do it with Lee, but that took a month of training. It can't be done mid-fight.

 

[TrollingSage]

Sasuke did do it with Lee, but that took a month of training. It can't be done mid-fight.

Nope. He copied how Lee moves. Any experienced runner will tell you how you move your contributes a lot to your speed.
However, even with the right movement, you still have to train your muscles to become stronger/ faster.
Besides reflexes/ reaction is not physical. It's mostly how quick your mind reacts to an attack. It can't be taught or copied. You can only be trained.

 

[VongolaX]

Does FTG require a contract? All seals do not, but if it does then I have no argument(not arguing). But if it doesn't require a contract then Itachi can copy it as the sharingan can copy seals. I'm arguing this a little...I would really like one of the experts like Lightbringer, Shells, or Sir Derp to come in and clarify or debunk what I'm saying. I know if anyone knows it's one of those guys.:yayy:

Only two people in the world are able to use this technique, also being the fact that most seals require contract.

Just going by assumption, but it is fact that you can't cop someone's speed when they use the ftg seal technique

 

[BooYeah1432]

OP: WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

How can he copy the hand seals of a jutsu which doesn't use hand seals? BTW, by seals they mean hand seals, I hope your smart enough to know that. They can only copy what they can see.
Fanboy...

Also sharingan can only copy the seals of a jutsu. One must know the chakara manipulation and have the chakara reserves to do it. So FTG, Rasengan, FRS and most of naruto's jutsu's can only be learned by training and teaching, not sharingan copying.

 

[RikudouMadara]

The problem is once again the lack of knowing how ftg works. No one knows except those shown how its done. What matters is not so much the chakra on the seals but what minato does to get there. We simply don't know and the sharingan won't show him that as ftg is instantaneous.the sharingan isn't an all seeing eye. It has many advantages but ftg is not something can just be looked at and understand.

If that is the case...how can Kakashi who knows nothing of the Rasengan copy it? He looked at it understood it and copied it, correct? No handseals required. I'm saying the FTG is done by ninjutsu and special seal or formula. Nao, if these things are able to be copied by the sharingan just like how Kakashi copied the Rasengan, then he should understand whatever it takes to perform it. The formula...not the words the special seal is what allows Minato to teleport it holds the secret of the Jutsu. Nao, anyone can see it but a Sharingan user can completely exhume it. Again, no disrespect to anyone.

 

[maxwellwilson02]

The problem with using kakashi as an example as its a debate on wether he copied it before or after sharingan. He stated he learnt chidori because he couldn't complete rasengan. That means that he must have learnt it as he has chidori before he had sharingan. The problem is when he explained it to naruto he uses the word copy. Wether that means sharingan copy or copy as in he followed his master and learnt it is unclear. The general rule though is that don't count on the sharingan being capable of learning a non hand seal jutsu as its complicated depending on wether you believed he knew rasengan first or chidori first.

P.s- I rather not get into a debate into what kakashi meant.

 

[BooYeah1432]

If that is the case...how can Kakashi who knows nothing of the Rasengan copy it? He looked at it understood it and copied it, correct? No handseals required. I'm saying the FTG is done by ninjutsu and special seal or formula. Nao, if these things are able to be copied by the sharingan just like how Kakashi copied the Rasengan, then he should understand whatever it takes to perform it. The formula...not the words the special seal is what allows Minato to teleport it holds the secret of the Jutsu. Nao, anyone can see it but a Sharingan user can completely exhume it. Again, no disrespect to anyone.

Well that is not a good example because 1) Kakashi is very smart (so is Itachi) but kakashi is better in chakara manipulation as he has jutsu with all chakara natures 2) Kakashi has been with naruto for a while and knows about rasengan. So he knows the mechanics of it, also he could have watched what the clone did as it was forming the rasengan.

Therefore a normal sharingan user wouldn't able to copy it.

 

[RikudouMadara]

The problem with using kakashi as an example as its a debate on wether he copied it before or after sharingan. He stated he learnt chidori because he couldn't complete rasengan. That means that he must have learnt it as he has chidori before he had sharingan. The problem is when he explained it to naruto he uses the word copy. Wether that means sharingan copy or copy as in he followed his master and learnt it is unclear. The general rule though is that don't count on the sharingan being capable of learning a non hand seal jutsu as its complicated depending on wether you believed he knew rasengan first or chidori first.

P.s- I rather not get into a debate into what kakashi meant.

I'm totally with you I'd rather not also.:yayy: I very much liked conversing with you, but at the end of the day I suppose we believe what we choose to. Only Kishi can say for sure what's what you know? But I'm done with this I feel we've wasted too much energy on this were both smart ppl that energy could be used for more important things. Well you're smart I'm not that smart. Cyu man I would rep you but I already have.