Itachi: among top 5 or not

[Might Who]

Yes third raikage could pawn Itachi. Hes way faster than fourth raikage and to fast to see his movements. Since itachi cant controll Amaterasu with Enton, he loses after the first real direct attack. Susanoo wont resist that three or four fingerpunsh.
And he cant defend against something he cant follow with his eyes.

No point in talking to a fool..... He will just bring you down to his level.

 

[DivineIllusion]

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Here is just the Itachi/Sasukebattle. Without the Oropart. How long is it?
He uses Amaterasu relative long I admi this, but nevertheless he has "relative" low stamina.

 

[Meiton]

How on earth could those dead characters win vs another dead character?
" HALERRRRRRR"

 

[Itachilover94]

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Here is just the Itachi/Sasukebattle. Without the Oropart. How long is it?
He uses Amaterasu relative long I admi this, but nevertheless he has "relative" low stamina.

does not always have to be about stamina smarts plays a part

just look at shikamaru

not about how much stamina just how you use it

 

[Might Who]

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Here is just the Itachi/Sasukebattle. Without the Oropart. How long is it?
He uses Amaterasu relative long I admi this, but nevertheless he has "relative" low stamina.

Itachi push his body pass it limit..... Just like Lee did against Gaara.

 

[FloriGlori]

Ok, sorry for the tsukuyomi,
And, I counted this fire as one use. Yes it where a few shots, but he used Abilty for one attack. Instead of saying one, two or five uses, we should agree on a period of time he uses it. Thats a better way to count it.
I guess it werent more than fifteen seconds, maybe 20.

And, the battle wasnt long.
After tsukuyomi failed.
and theyre on the roof.
The Amaterasusession, maybe one minute or two, not longer.
Sasuke again in the hideout, maybe one minute until he uses his firerelease.
A talking follows.
Kirin, one minute or so.
Oro/Susanoosession. maybe one minute, two three? not more. (while Itachi used Susanoo for not longer than a minute.

No problem.
Yes, it were three shots, and that's what counts. The damage the user's eye takes comes from creating those black flames - in this case he created them five times. Or do you think that Itachi could use it ten times in 15 seconds without becoming exhausted, just because it all happens in a short period of time?

Before Tsukuyomi got broken, there was their Shuriken-duel. Afterwards Itachi attacked him with his Karasu Bunshin, Sasuke summoned his snake and threw his huge Shuriken at Itachi's clone. That's another minute, maybe two. The talking definitely took more than just a minute. After Kirin hits the ground, they don't directly continue to fight. Itachi's Susanoo usage is the longest part of their fight anyway: 'The real battle is just about to begin'. I'm sure it took more than five minutes. In the end we can tell exactly - in the anime that part took about ten minutes.

Anyway, I don't disagree with you. I don't deny that Itachi's stamina is dangerously low. I merely wanted to state that there's still much he can do in a fight, despite of his low stamina.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Itachi fanboys GTFO this thread is only for people with a brain.

love u lol

 

[DivineIllusion]

does not always have to be about stamina smarts plays a part

just look at shikamaru

not about how much stamina just how you use it

Shure, its right, Itachi and shikamaru are best examples, but if someone like nagato can spamm heavy attacks. YOu cant always avoid them and if not you have to pull your trumps out of your a**.
And Itachi has three trumps. And he can use them just for a very short time, while Nagato attacked a whole village, anihilated it, fought sagenaruto, fought kyuubinaruto and naruto again and was still alive.

 

[Raito]

Nope, Kakashi reaches his limit fast when he uses Kamui, which needs up much more chakra, because he is a nonuchiha using MS.
Stamina and chakra are nearly the same, high chakra=high stamina
Itachis stamina is his weakspot. Thats why he uses Genjutsus first, cause most genjutsus dont need up much chakra.
Beeing an uchiha is not=strong chakra (being Senju/Uzumaki=strong chakra)

False. Rikudo Sennins older son, the ancestor of the Uchihas became the power of the sages eyes, the strong chakra and spiritual energy, during his younger son, the ancestor of the Senjus became the strong body, the will and the physical energy. Itachis low stamina came from his illness, he even stopped to take his medicaments to reach his limit faster. Nevertheless he used Genjutsus and Ninjutsus, five times Amaterasu, deleted it and used after that of course 5-10 minutes Susanoo. With it he blocked Kirin, fought against Orochimaru and walked slowly to Sasuke to transplant him his Amaterasu.

1: Nagato uses shinra Tensei, Itachi is blown away for example 50 metres.

No one fly after his Shinra Tensei 50 meters, only the fat frog summons. If Itachi gets hit by Shinra Tensei, he activate the thorax of Susanoo to cushion the impact - the same Sasuke did with Susanoos torax, when A smashed him with his full power in to the ground.

2: Nagato summons his army of monsters
Itachi: askes himself what kind of power that was. He decides to test Nagato
3: Monsters are attacking Itachi.
3.1 Amaterasu (Itachi burns the summonings) or
3.2 Susanoo finishes the summonings off (exception the chameleon cause ts invisible, even to Rinnegan)

He never summoned all of his summons at the same time, he summons only a part. To much summons would be confused for both sides, Itachi and Nagato. All at once the can't attack one person. In the manga chapter Itachi shown us how simply he can avoid summons by using Amaterasu or a simple kunai throw. The chameleons invisibilitydoes not matter because Itachi can see it's chakra with the Sharingan.

4. While Itachi burns the summons or fights them, Nagato uses chibaku Tensei. Sphere is flying into the sky.

The smart Itachi realizes that and uses the Amaterasu which is definitely faster because it arises in Itachis point of view.

5. Itachi is needs a few moments to notice the sphere, he doesnt know, what this is going to be (the summonings are dieing now)

He is protected by his Susanoo and kill them by just swing totsukas sword. Realizing a chakra ball flying in to the sky will be easy for a smart Sharingan user.

6. Nagato maybe hides himself inside the chameleon or just stays back.

Again, with his Sharingan Itachi can see chakra, also the invisible chameleon with Nagato.

7. Chibaku tensei begins, Itachi notices the ground rising to the sky, he notices the strong gravital pull.

If Itachi fights with closed eyes then he won't of course realize how Nagato throws a sphere into the sky. Itachi would be pretty stupid if he won't realize it.

8. The sphere starts growing, while Itachi is pulled in. He realizes, that his only chance to escape is to destroy the sphere.

and?

9: his strongest attack is not amaterasu: its that strange shurikan, his susanoo can throw. (Chibaku is growing rapide now, mountains and trees are pulled in.

His strongest long rage technique. Especially for the core Amaterasu is better. And here I'll stop the debate with Amaterasu and Chibaku Tensei, Amaterasu is definitely faster than the spheres fly to the sky.

My opinion is, tht his shurikan wont destroy the chibaku, since even the shots of kyuubi didnt crushed it at once.

Kyuubi was stupid and attacked Chibaku after it was already to big.


Like always Itachi's Genjutsu is kicked into the long grass.
Nagato can use his Shinra Tensei, summon his creatures or use Chibaku Tensei to pressurize Itachi, but his masterful genjutsus are always gonna be silenced.

Itachi can catch Nagato already in the beginning of the battle in a genjutsu, hit his face and Rinnegan with an Amaterasu or crush him with Totsukas sword as well.

 

[DivineIllusion]

No problem.
Yes, it were three shots, and that's what counts. The damage the user's eye takes comes from creating those black flames - in this case he created them five times. Or do you think that Itachi could use it ten times in 15 seconds without becoming exhausted, just because it all happens in a short period of time?

Before Tsukuyomi got broken, there was their Shuriken-duel. Afterwards Itachi attacked him with his Karasu Bunshin, Sasuke summoned his snake and threw his huge Shuriken at Itachi's clone. That's another minute, maybe two. The talking definitely took more than just a minute. After Kirin hits the ground, they don't directly continue to fight. Itachi's Susanoo usage is the longest part of their fight anyway: 'The real battle is just about to begin'. I'm sure it took more than five minutes. In the end we can tell exactly - in the anime that part took about ten minutes.

Anyway, I don't disagree with you. I don't deny that Itachi's stamina is dangerously low. I merely wanted to state that there's still much he can do in a fight, despite of his low stamina.

I think that it does matter how long you use it. Like susanoo. Shure each activation costs a little more, but i think it doesnt matter if it is one long or five short shots.
(Personal opinion, weve no proof of that... For me its logic. Maybe you see it different.:shrug

I dont count that talkingparts. Its no battle its more or less time to regenerate a little.
The active battle between Sasu and Itachi as not more than eight minutes. (I posted the link before. Ill add the Orotime)

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

1.so6p; we all know why ....
2.minato; 1 ftg seal and its game over
3.tobi;6 bijuu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> totsuka and yata susanoo.....
4. madara;has rinnegan , meteor path would crush him , his chakra is that of a bijuu level , itachis is a regular chuunin level in chakra amounts , also madar is faster , better taijutsu and has EMS and as far as i know EMS>>>>>>>>>>>>>MS
5. 3rd raikage; only raiton and fuuton work on him
6.muu; too fast and he can dismantle susanoo , yata cannot block dust style if the shape is larger than yata itself ....
7. hiruzen; only based on reputation but even itachi fans with a brain will agree
8.2nd tsuchikage , immune to water style .... fast , agile , similar level with genjutsu , TONS MORE CHAKRA , and has that exploding clone thing , which if it explodes while touching susanoo , itachi is screwed
9.nagato (healthy) 6 pains tank itachi alone , but healthy nagato tanked naruto+bee+itachi
10.naruto; faster itachi cant even see him till he stops moving , he has 9 tails so hes basically anti genjutsu , he can burrow underground ( as seen vs neji XD) and rape itachi under susanoo , amaterasu is useless , rasenshuriken > susanoo
11.sasuke; basically the same level as naruto...
12.bee;anti genjutsu , susanoo is useless , sasuke who weilds MS better than itachi didnt even harm bee with amaterasu , bee is faster
13.hashirama ; with 9 tails he obviously wins , he can just trap itachi in some mokuton under the ground , and then easy , hashirama is on par with madara when it comes to taijutsu and speed etc.
14. jiraiya ; anti genjutsu in its purest form , best summons , cant be hurt by amaterasu cus hell just seal it away , susanoo can be broken in its weak spot even by a kick in SM , itachi may not be able to avoid frog song , jiraiya is faster in SM and can seal itachi himself away...
15.A too fast for sasuke .... too fast for itachi..... he breaks sasukes susanoo..... he breaks itachis susanoo... bijuu level chakra makes him the next best thing to anti genjutsu...
16. ohnoki; flys..... and dust style... 17.itachi; there you go here he is your boyfriend .... now he looks so weak XD

 

[DivineIllusion]

False. Rikudo Sennins older son, the ancestor of the Uchihas became the power of the sages eyes, the strong chakra and spiritual energy, during his younger son, the ancestor of the Senjus became the strong body, the will and the physical energy. Itachis low stamina came from his illness, he even stopped to take his medicaments to reach his limit faster. Nevertheless he used Genjutsus and Ninjutsus, five times Amaterasu, deleted it and used after that of course 5-10 minutes Susanoo. With it he blocked Kirin, fought against Orochimaru and walked slowly to Sasuke to transplant him his Amaterasu.

No one fly after his Shinra Tensei 50 meters, only the fat frog summons. If Itachi gets hit by Shinra Tensei, he activate the thorax of Susanoo to cushion the impact - the same Sasuke did with Susanoos torax, when A smashed him with his full power in to the ground.

He never summoned all of his summons at the same time, he summons only a part. To much summons would be confused for both sides, Itachi and Nagato. All at once the can't attack one person. In the manga chapter Itachi shown us how simply he can avoid summons by using Amaterasu or a simple kunai throw. The chameleons invisibilitydoes not matter because Itachi can see it's chakra with the Sharingan.

The smart Itachi realizes that and uses the Amaterasu which is definitely faster because it arises in Itachis point of view.

He is protected by his Susanoo and kill them by just swing totsukas sword. Realizing a chakra ball flying in to the sky will be easy for a smart Sharingan user.

Again, with his Sharingan Itachi can see chakra, also the invisible chameleon with Nagato.

If Itachi fights with closed eyes then he will of course don't realize how Nagato throws a sphere into the sky. Itachi would be pretty stupid if he won't realize it.

and?

His strongest long rage technique. Especially for the core Amaterasu is better. And here I'll stop the debate with Amaterasu and Chibaku Tensei, Amaterasu is definitely faster than the spheres fly to the sky.

Kyuubi was stupid and attacked Chibaku after it was already to big.


Like always Itachi's Genjutsu is kicked into the long grass.
Nagato can use his Shinra Tensei, summon his creatures or use Chibaku Tensei to pressurize Itachi, but his masterful genjutsus are always gonna be silenced.

Itachi can catch Nagato already in the beginning of the battle in a genjutsu, hit his face and Rinnegan with an Amaterasu or crush him with Totsukas sword as well.

Summonings: Nagato spammed them during the Narutofight. Even three or four summons would at least get Itachis attention for 10 seconds. Enough time to create the sphere and let it fly. On long range Amaterasu is quite ineffictive cause its difficult to aim with.

Ten seconds are enough for the sphere to rise in a high level.

Shinra Tensei. (Haha thats the best. It doesnt help you against attacks that are just smashing you away. The damage if you hit the ground is still the smae, cause instead of hitting the ground youre hitting your own susanoo which is quite dure.
50 meters is quite long and enough time for Nagato to block any try of using Amaterasu. (He could use shinra tensei again to repell it, since his intervall is shorter than Tendos/ he can spam missles to keep Itachi busy.
Itachi is one person with just two eyes he cant see everything. I guess hell take care of the direct attcks like the missles instead of wasting chakra on some shere of chakra.


Genjutsu:
Tell me where Itachi couldve used Genjutsu.

 

[Raito]

1.so6p; we all know why ....
2.minato; 1 ftg seal and its game over

No Minato is stronger than the sage of the six paths, that's obvious :b.

 

[DivineIllusion]

Sasuke was injured if you remember the scene with Raikage. He spitted blood. Maybe he wouldnt have survived the kagemeeting, even if he got new chakra from Zetsu, if Karin didnt heal him.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

No Minato is stronger than the sage of the six paths, that's obvious :b.

sage of six paths has all of nagatos abilities on steroids .... and he is also 10 tails jiinchuriki with 10 tails chakra mode....

 

[FloriGlori]

I think that it does matter how long you use it. Like susanoo. Shure each activation costs a little more, but i think it doesnt matter if it is one long or five short shots.
(Personal opinion, weve no proof of that... For me its logic. Maybe you see it different.:shrug

Well, in that case we can't come to an agreement in terms of Amaterasu. Amaterasu is no 'situation' like Susanoo. It's not like you activate it and afterwards can create as much of the black flames as you please, until you 'deactivate' it. If it was like that, you could simply 'activate' Amaterasu and spamm it until your chakra goes empty, which is definitely not the case. Amaterasu creates black flames, and creating them is what damages the eye. Itachi created them five times, so he used it five times. That's the way I see it.

@rinnemaki
For not noticing that irony you actually deserve your third faceplam given by me.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

@rinnemaki
For not noticing that irony you actually deserve your third faceplam given by me.

haha lol , u explain how itachi can beat all the shinobi i listed of which all are fast/er more chakra , alot are anti genjutsu etc. itachis only resort vs all of them is susanoo and amaterasu of which is useless unless you play the long game , he would run out of chakra anyway lol ... u try disprove this:1.so6p; we all know why ....
2.minato; 1 ftg seal and its game over
3.tobi;6 bijuu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> totsuka and yata susanoo.....
4. madara;has rinnegan , meteor path would crush him , his chakra is that of a bijuu level , itachis is a regular chuunin level in chakra amounts , also madar is faster , better taijutsu and has EMS and as far as i know EMS>>>>>>>>>>>>>MS
5. 3rd raikage; only raiton and fuuton work on him
6.muu; too fast and he can dismantle susanoo , yata cannot block dust style if the shape is larger than yata itself ....
7. hiruzen; only based on reputation but even itachi fans with a brain will agree
8.2nd tsuchikage , immune to water style .... fast , agile , similar level with genjutsu , TONS MORE CHAKRA , and has that exploding clone thing , which if it explodes while touching susanoo , itachi is screwed
9.nagato (healthy) 6 pains tank itachi alone , but healthy nagato tanked naruto+bee+itachi
10.naruto; faster itachi cant even see him till he stops moving , he has 9 tails so hes basically anti genjutsu , he can burrow underground ( as seen vs neji XD) and rape itachi under susanoo , amaterasu is useless , rasenshuriken > susanoo
11.sasuke; basically the same level as naruto...
12.bee;anti genjutsu , susanoo is useless , sasuke who weilds MS better than itachi didnt even harm bee with amaterasu , bee is faster
13.hashirama ; with 9 tails he obviously wins , he can just trap itachi in some mokuton under the ground , and then easy , hashirama is on par with madara when it comes to taijutsu and speed etc.
14. jiraiya ; anti genjutsu in its purest form , best summons , cant be hurt by amaterasu cus hell just seal it away , susanoo can be broken in its weak spot even by a kick in SM , itachi may not be able to avoid frog song , jiraiya is faster in SM and can seal itachi himself away...
15.A too fast for sasuke .... too fast for itachi..... he breaks sasukes susanoo..... he breaks itachis susanoo... bijuu level chakra makes him the next best thing to anti genjutsu...
16. ohnoki; flys..... and dust style... 17.itachi; there you go here he is your boyfriend .... now he looks so weak XD
then ill accept itachi is top 5

 

[DivineIllusion]

Well, in that case we can't come to an agreement in terms of Amaterasu. Amaterasu is no 'situation' like Susanoo. It's not like you activate it and afterwards can create as much of the black flames as you please, until you 'deactivate' it. If it was like that, you could simply 'activate' Amaterasu and spamm it until your chakra goes empty, which is definitely not the case. Amaterasu creates black flames, and creating them is what damages the eye. Itachi created them five times, so he used it five times. That's the way I see it.

@rinnemaki
For not noticing that irony you actually deserve your third faceplam given by me.

Not after activated it, just the time of creation. Five shots of a seconds are the same as a shotwith 5 seconds. So you have maybe enough chakra to create those flames for 30 seconds, but in my opinion it doesnt matter if you use it for thirty one secondshots or a long 30 secondshot, thats what I meant.

If you even disagree with that, its ok but I count it like that.

 

[DivineIllusion]

But for now, this debate is dead for me.

I dont see Itachi top five even if hes a genius and has maybe the best Stamina/efficience quote.

Good evening guys.

 

[FloriGlori]

Not after activated it, just the time of creation. Five shots of a seconds are the same as a shotwith 5 seconds. So you have maybe enough chakra to create those flames for 30 seconds, but in my opinion it doesnt matter if you use it for thirty one secondshots or a long 30 secondshot, thats what I meant.

If you even disagree with that, its ok but I count it like that.

That's more like it. Though I think that creating the flames is much more damaging than keeping them at some place. Sasuke's right eye for example didn't start bleeding when he used it to maipulate Amaterasu.

Anyway, with that being said you actually agreed with me. A normal Amaterasu only takes a second. Once it hits its target it burns on itself, so 'long' shots are not necessary. It comes, it hits, it burns - like that. Itachi just used a long one to reach Sasuke. So he used Amaterasu five times, one time being unnormally long.