[Discussion] Itachi‘s failure as a brother and a shinobi

[Aquaglow]

First of all, Itachi was a hero because the Uchiha clan wanted to take over Komo, but he stopped it, even tho he had to kill everyone. He knew what was war like and he feared it, so he did what he had to do in order to achieve peace. He took on an unimaginable weight on his shoulders, like no man would ever do. If he would of refused, either way his family would of been killed in the war, and what good would that make?

Failure as a brother? What manga have you been reading? Itachi wanted him to become strong, and to protect him, not having leaving him experience war like he did himself. Your not even making sense, do you live in the 3rd World or something? Itachi never attempted to kill Madara, he wanted to fulfill Sasuke's revenge, and have Sasuke go back to the village. Worst nightmare? what are you talking about? And what do you mean by the strongest uchiha? He's a mestermind but he's not the strongest. The strongest eye technique lays in Shisui's eye, imo. Get your thoughts right, and come back, because this hurts my eyes reading it.

What do you mean by "LIVING IN A THIRD WORLD"?????? This kinda sound Massive Offensive Statement to me???!!!!!

Although i also disagree with the thread topic! Itachi is amazing! According to the databook Itachi was a kind man and due to his kindness he had to live a miserable life! You are right he had been given a terrible task and he could have killed Sasuke easily but he didn't do it! He also wanted to end the curse that had been plaguing Uchihas for centuries! He wanted Sasuke and only Sasuke to lay the new foundations of his Clan in a noble way because he saw greatness in Sasuke. Right now Sasuke is extremely emotional and in my opinion he is not doing the things he is doing because of hatred but because of love. He loved his family since he still sees his family through innocent eyes. He is still pure. I hope i am making sense lol!!

 

[psukkar]

Lol people, its not going against ur fanboyism if admitt itachi did some mistakes.

Every one does mistakes, no character in the series has had a clean record.

Itachi simply did some screw ups, but he did try and fix them. Thats what makes itachi a realistic character and why most should like the character.


This all denying any failings on itachi's end is just being ignorant.

 

[AqimScreamo94]

like someone looking for trouble. =.=''

 

[Gitch]

Itachi did screw up with letting Sasuke alive or by fueling him with hate and cutting his bonds.
On another note Itachi is a beast skill wise but failed at life (on some points)


BTW : You guys cant compare Minato life to Itachi s.

Minato placed all his hope inside Naruto by saving the village.

Itachi murdered his whole clan and only left hate to Sasuke , and mentally tortured him to make him stronger. Therefore he created a monster !

 

[rped84]

nice having this site

 

[Hipster Madara]

its sad how people dont even admit that itachi did fail in some points!!!
this thread is full of ignorant Itachi who cant even admit itachi failed when it comes to sasuke

some DIDNT EVEN READ THE THREAD?!! they just denied because of the title and didnt even read some of the good points siyo is saying :flaw:

he TORTURED him so he could get stronger? if Itachi is so much of a genius, why would he think sasuke would kill him and just call it a day and return to leaf?? and please dont compare minato and itachi!! itachi filled sasuke with HATE and minato filled naruto with LOVE
u cant really compare that

:flaw: rant over :flaw:

 

[siyo]

Failure?


What is failure supposed to mean to you?

I believe the thread guy is in need of popularity.

rep to you

Hypocrit much? And as far as i can see you're the troll, since you were so butt hurt about an opinion on your beloved itachi that you negged me You're not capable of giving a rational post, where you state your opinion without flaming.

Honestly there hasn't been much discussion (though there has been some), mostly reactions, and I stopped after a certain while starting from the beginning and end. Too many people love Itachi to make this work especially with such a provocative title. You'd think some of these responses are his true absolute defense, lol. It's like a person, Siyo the OP, going to the beach when the forecast is a tsunami. Still, he went to the beach anyway... gotta give him credit for that...agree or disagree.

Peace

lol i knew it as soon as i hit enter and a little part me hoped there could be a somewhat healthy debate. i'm wearing a nfl helmet watching these Minions rage against anybody who dare question their master.You can almost sense the foam coming out of their mouth and you would think that i collectively pissed on their cerial.You're right these folks are itachi's ultimate defense(helped by the fact that they can't differentiate between reality and fiction).

the only thing a poll would show is how many butthurt itatchi fans like itatchi. nobody evern read the article. most even admitted to it.
seriously. itatchis IS super strong. one of the coolest and most powerful ninjas. but he definatly failed in his atempt to protect sasuke/the leaf.

excactly.When you look at their comments you can't help but facepalm.

"how dare you speak about itachi"

"itachi is god"

"itachi actually made sasuke life easier "
"
"what is sasuke complaining about he's much stronger now"

"did not read your post but you're wrong!"

To start off I have to say that I disagree with you, but at the very least I can see where you're coming from. Hey to each his own, right? You seem pretty adamant in your position but I'll try to share what I think anyways.

Best response from the people arguing against my point of view(reps).Really well thought out post where you describe why you feel as you do.And some the point. i'm actually ready to meet you half way e.g itachi not being able to do anything about madara,so he really did his best in that department

I just read the first line not the whole thing but

i juts read your first line about not reading my post,so i decided to not read yours..but you're wrong

LMAO!!!!! hahahahahahhahahahaahahahahahahaha its funny how he can make a thread about itachi and many dont read it all, but yet in a day the thread sky rocket with views and comments for all the wrong reasons!

you cant hate the dude for giving his opinion wether good or bad! some of you need to seiously get a life!

and @Siyo, you know damn well how many uchiha fanbois are on this site! no matter what you say, itachi can never do wrong or lose at anything! lmao hahahaha

the sheer numbers surprised me bro.Almost like a christian cult where if the priest tells them to kill themselves they obey.Crazy to think people get so emtionally invested in a fictional chacter that they want to actually fight you....

He actually made some good points if you actually bothered to read what he wrote. U_U

thing is not alot of them can read

I am still damn sure it was not Itachi who destroyed his clan but i think it was madara who did .........
itachi made a deal with him to not destroy the village and instead decided to give him the uchiha..........which madara agreed....
Now what itachi did was he fed the elders of konoha with the false information about the so called coup de`etat by the uchiha....and so he was ordered to kill them all ....
so on that night itachi stepped aside to let madara do the killing....
but when it came to sasuke he could not hold back and so followed sasuke on that night of massacre and protected him from madara thats my guess.....

interesting theory man but why was itachi in front of sasuke?

 

[nickalfred31]

I support this person. I agree with your arguments and i honestly think it would've been better to kill Sasuke during the Uchiha Massacre. Even without using hindsight, it's obvious that Sasuke was far to loyal and loving regarding his clan, he would never move on.

Thats what made Itachi a good brother.. he didn't kill him because he wanted to protect him and have sasuke get stronger

 

[siyo]

Itachi did one mistake which was letting sasuke live and admiited that screwned up his plans.

And tried to get the best of both worlds of letting his brother live and his clans honor in tact. But Itachi didnt know how much madara knew of his mission and screwed him up big time.

Itachi admiitted he let him live and did everything he could do to make sure sasuke lives and thinks the uchiha are a proud clan but he did fail in the end because of madara but now confines in Naruto to finsh his mission.

And dont forgrt the shsui connection now, theres alot of ways to look at itachi's mission as more like itachi's AND shuis's mission. Itachi's last phrase about his past says it all,

"If the brother I left behind ever became a thread to the village, as the keeper of Shisui's eye,it would mean I betrayed his trust."

good post

hey.. i would say your'e wrong.. you don't know what you brought up.. you didn't understand the manga as well as anime itself.. have you read/ seen the manga and anime well,??? or do you understand what it has to say??? you might be itachi's hater for posting this thread.. if sasuke suffered from that event that turn him to be a bad guy.. it is same as what happen to itachi.. you dont know what kind of burden he had w/ him.. he did obey the orders.. its just that they had an agreement and thats to spare sasuke's life... and thats because he love him very much than every one else in his clan.. it was showed up in the anime that he cry after the massacre and seeing his poor little brother crying.. it is very hard on itachi's part.. and FYI... there still much to learn about the massacre... we've never heard yet itachi side.. it's all from madara.. and we know he is the main villain in naruto world... so there is a posibilty that he was telling a lie about itachi'...

and don't put up something here that cannot stand up... youll'e end up busted.. before doing that.. try to read between the lines...

omg faceplam......Don't take anime as canon and you need to read the manga again...

Itachi slaughtered his entire clan overnight, sparing only Sasuke, because he could not follow through with the orders to kill him. Instead, he made himself out as a villain, who had killed their innocent family only to test his abilities. He told Sasuke that he was not even worth killing.

 

[Redd]

I wonder what would happen if Naruto was somehow older and the double agent for the Leaf and the Uchiha instead of Itachi....Maybe not fail. Maybe not put one side above the other.

 

[Dupa]

Lol people this is just a story. If Itachi had killed Sasuke the story would have an entirely different plot. Why so serious?xd

 

[nagato2]

first of all i think that itachi could have done better.and also people shouldn't get so worked up about about a fictional character .

 

[Kranium]

Your life is a fail

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Well, I read the whole thing. With that being said, I disagree with your hypothesis. I respect what you believe in, but I don't think Itachi was a failure. Had he not prevented the war (which he did by killing his clan), he would be a terrible shinobi, by all of our standards. He achieved peace and that cannot be seen as a failure in any point of view. He has also not failed as a brother. He was/is Sasuke's older brother and he will forever be destined to protect him. That is what an older brother does. He was powerless against Madara because of his illness... That's not really a failure that he had control over. Sure, in a way he created a monster in Sasuke, but it was necessary for his survival. The elders wanted Sasuke dead, so Itachi had to do whatever he could to prevent that from happening. So, to conclude, Itachi did not fail in any aspect of life. Things did not go his way all the time, but he prepared for them and better than most. Would you say that Minato Namikaze was a failure too? If so then you are no wiser than the Raikage.... Neither of these two historic heroes are a failure...

You're almost there. Now ask yourself how can the cycle be stopped. Travel back and confront So6P? Is So6P Naruto? Epic story.

 

[Gorlack2231]

"Sasuke. I love you. You're the best brother I could want. I'm going to just leave you here, surrounded by blood and mounds of bodies. I'm going to make you hate me with such zeal, that you end up ignoring any love shown to you. And in your search for power, you're going to go down a lot of dark roads, but it's okay. In the end, you can use your power to defeat me and then just go home. Yeah, I know it sounds anti-climatic. You just don't have enough HATRED yet." Itachi's "love" put Sasuke through the ringer....and now all we have is an emo ninja bent on "restoring" his clan by.....obliterating the Leaf? I agree with the OP.....Itachi is good with ninjutsu and genjutsu, but is absolutely terrible with people.

 

[Sandy Muhammad]

well done Siyo for making one of the most interesting thread. thumbs up

 

[narutocrazy]

Nice thread! Interesting read!
In my opinion, Itachi had very less choice, he had to maintain peace in the village and also uphold the pride of the uchiha clan... So he became the villain... (Reminds me of: "Either you die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain") he just couldn't kill his bro... so he decided to make sure he is safe with the 3rd's help... Inspire him to become strong enough to kill itachi himself... N thus helping him become a hero in konoha... Sasuke might as well have done it... But he chose his own path... He chose the evil path...he was too addicted to hatred and revenge, once he killed itachi n came to know the truth abt him, he decided to destroy whole of konoha.. Atleast killing danzo and the elders would have suffice... Why the h*** he chose to destroy whole of konoha makes me wonder abt his sanity...(must be coz of his bad childhood) Anyways, one cant blame itachi for sasuke's mistakes and madara/kabuto/oro using sasuke's hatred... (itachi definitely was a great shinobi...n i'm not a itachi fanboy...i assure u tat)... N Abt being a good bro... He tried his best... That is what makes a good bro...(if u hav a bro u wud understand what i mean) What the bro becomes is not upto itachi... I partly agree wid u, but i guess u jus cant call itachi a total failure... after all... u cant win'em all!!

 

[raxy]

I dont think he failed......he saved konoha and tried to keep his own brother from darkness but it didnt go well, But hey he is still out there who knows he might meet sasuke and tell him to stop.

 

[siyo]

its sad how people dont even admit that itachi did fail in some points!!!
this thread is full of ignorant Itachi who cant even admit itachi failed when it comes to sasuke

some DIDNT EVEN READ THE THREAD?!! they just denied because of the title and didnt even read some of the good points siyo is saying :flaw:

he TORTURED him so he could get stronger? if Itachi is so much of a genius, why would he think sasuke would kill him and just call it a day and return to leaf?? and please dont compare minato and itachi!! itachi filled sasuke with HATE and minato filled naruto with LOVE
u cant really compare that

:flaw: rant over :flaw:

good rant and i agree that the situation between minato and itachi were different, because minato could not have known the village would keep quiet over who naruto's father was, and as you say minato did not purposely fill naruto with hatred so he could get stronger.

well done Siyo for making one of the most interesting thread. thumbs up

thx my man

Nice thread! Interesting read!
In my opinion, Itachi had very less choice, he had to maintain peace in the village and also uphold the pride of the uchiha clan... So he became the villain... (Reminds me of: "Either you die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain") he just couldn't kill his bro... so he decided to make sure he is safe with the 3rd's help... Inspire him to become strong enough to kill itachi himself... N thus helping him become a hero in konoha... Sasuke might as well have done it... But he chose his own path... He chose the evil path...he was too addicted to hatred and revenge, once he killed itachi n came to know the truth abt him, he decided to destroy whole of konoha.. Atleast killing danzo and the elders would have suffice... Why the h*** he chose to destroy whole of konoha makes me wonder abt his sanity...(must be coz of his bad childhood) Anyways, one cant blame itachi for sasuke's mistakes and madara/kabuto/oro using sasuke's hatred... (itachi definitely was a great shinobi...n i'm not a itachi fanboy...i assure u tat)... N Abt being a good bro... He tried his best... That is what makes a good bro...(if u hav a bro u wud understand what i mean) What the bro becomes is not upto itachi... I partly agree wid u, but i guess u jus cant call itachi a total failure... after all... u cant win'em all!!

welcome to the base! i agree with you that itachi's intention regarding sasuke was good and he really cared about him as a brother, but the way he went about it was very flawed and caused lots of unnecessary suffering which could have easily be avoided if itachi killed sasuke or he found another way to give him peace.I know sasuke is responsible for his own actions, but you have to admit that itachi gave him a bad head start by sparing him the night of the massacre, He lost his home,parents,clan and most of all a bad upbringing,and he could never found peace because he knew that the murderer(his beloved brother) was out there lurking.Sorta like bad parents not being there for their kids,sure the kid as an adult has to own up to his actions but that doesn't wash the mistakes/failures of the parents away

I dont think he failed......he saved konoha and tried to keep his own brother from darkness but it didnt go well, But hey he is still out there who knows he might meet sasuke and tell him to stop.

emphasis on tried(failing) but yes he tried his best and came up short.He was stuck between loyalty to his clan and loyalty to the village,and unfortunately for sasuke he tried to stay true to both.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Great post btw. Could have just as easily been about Naruto, Jiraiya, Minato, Hiruzen, Gaara and all the others caught in the cycle.