It doesn't make any sense at all!!

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There no way hashirama had defeated this susanoo i bet he does not have anything in this arsenal to beat this
As stated my Madara himself Only the bijju was comparable to this and obviously Hashirama was not a jinchuriki niether any Tailed beast was on Hashirama's side.
Moreover madara controlled Karuma that time so HOW ON EARTH HASHIRAMA SENJU DEFEATED UCHIHA MADARA [/COLOR
Mokutun is nothing compared to it we saw how it crushed the trees like paper

There is something defeinatly fishy abt that fight at valley of the end The result don't match pefectly
Kishi needs to give full explanation to this
 

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I don't care if any of it is logical, Madara said out of his own mouth that the only one who could beat him is Hashirama. That is all I need to know. Believe the hype, if he can beat that sussano then I know he would stomp a mud hole in Itachi and Sauske.
 

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Just because he is a Senju does not mean that his power is not greater than Madara's. There's nothing to think here. He defeated Madara... end of story.

And remember that Hashirama Senju is a descendant of the SO6P.
But he is not SO6P

anyway what u know about that fight,
I can bet on it that is would turn up sometime like Tobi is not madara
 

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Well technically, Madara didn't have the rinnegan when he fought hashirama, and so far it looks like rinnegan unlocked the perfect susanoo?
So therefore, hashirama didn't go up against this beast lol
Wrong
Madara stated that "the extent to which the maps will need to be redrawn won't be drastic"
Means he used it aginst him and that caused the devastation
 

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Wrong
Madara stated that "the extent to which the maps will need to be redrawn won't be drastic"
Means he used it aginst him and that caused the devastation
Umm, Idk if you've noticed, but Madara has been redesigning the entire terrain throughout the entire fight. So your comment is actually invalid..... Look at his eyes, they're rinnegan, he had been fighting with susanoo with EMS eyes.
As soon as he activates his rinnegan, his susanoo becomes a beast. And we all know up to now, that he didn't have rinnegan until after his fight with hashirama.

And that quote just means he hasn't taken them seriously at all, he has only been toying with them. However, he couldn't do that with hashirama, because he actually took him seriously. Therefore, he spared no jutsu in that fight and unleashed his big guns. It doesn't necessarily mean he used this perfect susanoo.
 

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Umm, Idk if you've noticed, but Madara has been redesigning the entire terrain throughout the entire fight. So your comment is actually invalid..... Look at his eyes, they're rinnegan, he had been fighting with susanoo with EMS eyes.
As soon as he activates his rinnegan, his susanoo becomes a beast. And we all know up to now, that he didn't have rinnegan until after his fight with hashirama.

And that quote just means he hasn't taken them seriously at all, he has only been toying with them. However, he couldn't do that with hashirama, because he actually took him seriously. Therefore, he spared no jutsu in that fight and unleashed his big guns. It doesn't necessarily mean he used this perfect susanoo.
What about the quote from Oonoki when he asked why he took it easy on him once he saw the perfect susanoo?
 

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It's like I said earlier, he doesn't give a crap about these guys, and onooki could just be referring to how beast Madara is being throughout this fight.
However, I will say this, this chapter raises a ton of questions.

Like, what exactly does a rinnegan (uchiha) do?
Did he have rinnegan when he fought hashi?
Is the rinnegan the source of the perfect susanoo, or is just what "stabilizes" the chakra?
And much more

The only way we will find out for sure about this perfect susanoo, is with Sasuke, and if he unlocked it with EMS.... Or if he needs rinnegan lol
 
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I don't think it doesn't make sense at all. When I saw the fight between Hashi and Madara, Hashi's wood resist the red ball thingy that Kyuubi did. I've never thought his wood could do that yet yes he did. In other words,in Naruto manga,wood isn't merely ordinary element (but the fight is in the game naruto ultimate ninja storm generation, I don't know if we can relate it with naruto)

IMO,we haven't see everything in Hashirama.
 
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