Is shisui>hashirama?

[Owarij]

is he stronger? no , can he beat him in a fight? yes

He simply has a genjutsu hashirama can't counter since he not only doesn't know about shishui, he doesn't know about it..

It seems to just last forever. I mean, Itachi is still out of Kabuto's edo control.

Have you seen the movie Inception? I think KA works like that. You just plant an idea into someone's head, and that's it.

Exactly, But it goes deeper, It's not just an idea anymore..

with the idea planting, the person still has a choice to do it or not.. but the idea is there... Shishui is almost complete manipulation.. he can implant memories of him being your friend all your life, and you will believe it, because you think it happened..

It's like that dude from bleach, tsuchimama or w.e

 

[klaguican]

I mean he has a genjutsu that can control you without you even knowing and does not even require eye contact. All hashi has to do is cross his path and it is over. What do you guys think?

you're maybe right for some reason shisui is more stronger than hashirama because his sharingan is powerful than madara maybe?:flaw:

 

[Kira was Righteous]

No one said that. It is shisuis tech that will allow him to control him. I have officially come to the degree of thought that people on the base such as you do not think logically on the base. He may have a counter, but I really doubt it since the only counter would be using a clone.

You want to talk about logic riddle me this how did Ao fight Shisui and live if KA is unbreakable

When will be people like you realise that any Genjutsu can be broken or countered no matter what its hyped up to be.I find it riddiclous your saying Hashirama would lose to Shisui.

 

[Darth Wignus]

I think you left your mind somewhere...

 

[Seraphiel]

I already stated the fact KA has kept Itachi under its control even after the mangekyou has faded call the way till Itachi defeated kabuto.

It seems to just last forever. I mean, Itachi is still out of Kabuto's edo control.

Have you seen the movie Inception? I think KA works like that. You just plant an idea into someone's head, and that's it.

Maybe, but maybe it just broke the link between Kabuto(Edo Tensei) and Itachi. That doesn't necessarily mean that the actual genjutsu is permanent.

 

[Helikido]

you're maybe right for some reason shisui is more stronger than hashirama because his sharingan is powerful than madara maybe?:flaw:

Owarji has agreed with me. You should quit.

 

[TheSages456]

yeah i think hashirama is a way better ninja than Ao so im going to say hashirama>shisui

 

[choft]

is he stronger? no , can he beat him in a fight? yes

He simply has a genjutsu hashirama can't counter since he not only doesn't know about shishui, he doesn't know about it..

I agree.

People don't read the thread properly and just assume we think that Shisui is stronger than Hashirama. We don't. We just think that with KA, he can defeat him with it. There is a reason Kishi gave KA a cooldown of 10 years.

 

[LegendaryAce]

SO6P (god) have mercy on you!

 

[Helikido]

You want to talk about logic riddle me this how did Ao fight Shisui and live if KA is unbreakable

When will be people like you realise that any Genjutsu can be broken or countered no matter what its hyped up to be.I find it riddiclous your saying Hashirama would lose to Shisui.

How the heck do you know that he even used KA on him!? Exactly.

 

[Seraphiel]

Owarji has agreed with me. You should quit.

One person agrees with you and you get all these fanboygasms... U_U

How the heck do you know that he even used KA on him!? Exactly.

How do you know he'll use it on Hashirama?
How do you know he can't counter it?
How do you know...?

 

[Helikido]

Maybe, but maybe it just broke the link between Kabuto(Edo Tensei) and Itachi. That doesn't necessarily mean that the actual genjutsu is permanent.

It didn't break the link. It over wrote Kabutos command. Theirs a difference. That command that has been placed is permanent. Until it is changed. So if hashi gets hit theirs no way around it. He is not god. And he does not know what shisui weilds in his eyes.

One person agrees with you and you get all these fanboygasms... U_U



How do you know he'll use it on Hashirama?
How do you know he can't counter it?
How do you know...?

Why not use it on someone who's stronger than you 1090 times.

How can he counter when he does not even know who shisui is? Or what his power is?

I know because that is the most logical thing.

 

[choft]

You want to talk about logic riddle me this how did Ao fight Shisui and live if KA is unbreakable

When will be people like you realise that any Genjutsu can be broken or countered no matter what its hyped up to be.I find it riddiclous your saying Hashirama would lose to Shisui.

Well, we know nothing about that fight.

So for example, this is what could have happened and is very possible:

1. Shisui didn't use KA on Ao.
2. Ao knew how KA worked because he witnessed Shisui using it on somebody else.

Now I'm not saying that's true. I'm just saying that we have no idea what happened in that fight, so you can't really use it as an argument as there are a ton of scenarios where Ao could have survived that fight. I gave you an example of one of them.

We're only saying that Shisui with KA can beat Hashirama if he gets caught in it. In the actual Naruto World, this is practically unlikely because Shisui would have KA in cooldown.

 

[Seraphiel]

It didn't break the link. It over wrote Kabutos command. Theirs a difference. That command that has been placed is permanent. Until it is changed. So if hashi gets hit theirs no way around it. He is not god. And he does not know what shisui weilds in his eyes.

And where are those commands written? On Itachi's Edo body, right? Kabuto has to replace those commands... that's what he tried to do when he and Itachi clashed.

And... Shisui doesn't know Hashirama either.

 

[LegendaryAce]

It didn't break the link. It over wrote Kabutos command. Theirs a difference. That command that has been placed is permanent. Until it is changed. So if hashi gets hit theirs no way around it. He is not god. And he does not know what shisui weilds in his eyes.

what if he uses it on a mokuton clone does that mean he dies?

KA if used right > anyone ..personally i dont think it fools any rinnegan user or expirienced sharingan ..

 

[Seraphiel]

Why not use it on someone who's stronger than you 1090 times.

How can he counter when he does not even know who shisui is? Or what his power is?

I know because that is the most logical thing.

Shisui doesn't know Hashirama either. U_U

 

[Helikido]

And where are those commands written? On Itachi's Edo body, right? Kabuto has to replace those commands... that's what he tried to do when he and Itachi clashed.

And... Shisui doesn't know Hashirama either.

No not on itachis body. In his mind. Ka works in your mind buddy. get that through your head. You cannot brake it. You cannot avoid it unless you use clones. Its practically op.

And I'm 100% sure he knows who hashi is considering he lived right after him...

You really do lack common sense right?

 

[Seraphiel]

No not on itachis body. In his mind. Ka works in your mind buddy. get that through your head. You cannot brake it. You cannot avoid it unless you use clones. Its practically op.

And I'm 100% sure he knows who hashi is considering he lived right after him...

You really do lack common sense right?

Shisui was around Itachi's age...

And what I meant about the commands is that those commands are actually on Itachi's Edo body... I know Kotoamatsumaki works on the mind, but the commands Kabuto uses are placed in those kunais he has. Itachi didn't use Kotoamatsumaki on Kabuto himself.

 

[Owarij]

Shisui doesn't know Hashirama either. U_U

Wtf? what uchiha doesn't know hashi? He's the dude that shit on the man labelled "strongest uchiha"..

Itachi knew about hashirama and he's younger than shishui... He even knew that shishui's 10 year cd could be reduced WITH hashirama's dna.... There is no doubt in my mind that shishui also knew this, and probably even HAD it

Shisui was around Itachi's age...

Shishui was older than itachi... How old? we don't know, but itachi considered him a big/older brother..
He could have easily been in his 20's when he died, as that was how he looked...

itachi was 12/13 when he died. Shishui did not look like a 13 year old in the few pics we got of him

 

[Seraphiel]

Wtf? what uchiha doesn't know hashi? He's the dude that shit on the man labelled "strongest uchiha"..

Itachi knew about hashirama and he's younger than shishui... He even knew that shishui's 10 year cd could be reduced WITH hashirama's dna.... There is no doubt in my mind that shishui also knew this, and probably even HAD it



Shishui was older than itachi... How old? we don't know, but itachi considered him a big/older brother..
He could have easily been in his 20's when he died, as that was how he looked...

itachi was 12/13 when he died. Shishui did not look like a 13 year old in the few pics we got of him

What I meant is that Shisui doesn't know about Hashirama's techniques. And as far as we know... he DIDN'T have his DNA.