Is Senjutsu "Borrowed Power"?

[Guntah]

Now, this here is puzzling. I understand the concept of borrowed power in the Naruto fandom, but I never understood where things such as Sage Mode land in, as you're taking in power from Nature rather than from someone or something like with how Sasuke took his brother's eyes or Naruto calls on Kurama for help.

Personally, I'm gonna say no. And that's because if you consider taking in Nature Energy as borrowed power, you might also have to consider chakra, on itself, as a borrowed power, seeing as it comes from the Shinju and all that. Its mostly about where to draw in the line and your definition of "Borrowed Power" as a concept used by this fandom. Personally, I'd say that anything you are born with the potential of achieving by yourself with only training and basic tools is not borrowed power, but people might have a different view on this.So I'm curious.

Anyway, thoughts?

 

[SZiaee]

Whatever you tried for gaining , for example SM , is called "your power" ... If you didn't try for a power then it would be a borrowed power ...
Hashi's hand , Kurama , Rikudu chakra , A little chakra from each tailed beast for Naruto .
Itachi's eyes , Rikudu chakra for Sasuke .

 

[Guntah]

Whatever you tried for gaining , for example SM , is called "your power" ... If you didn't try for a power then it would be a borrowed power ...
Hashi's hand , Kurama , Rikudu chakra , A little chakra from each tailed beast for Naruto .
Itachi's eyes , Rikudu chakra for Sasuke .

Not completely true. Naruto had to dominate Kurama to use KCM, but its still Kurama's power.

 

[Zawerni]

Nah. Senjutsu isn't borrowed.

KCM wouldn't be a borrowed power for Naruto, as it's something Naruto received after ripping away Kurama's chakra. It's a power he earned, not given to him.

 

[SZiaee]

Not completely true. Naruto had to dominate Kurama to use KCM, but its still Kurama's power.

My own opinion is that , it can be his power because he tried for it (it's same as SM ; You have a chakra source (Nature or Kurama) and you take chakra from that source) ....
And what's your own opinion about KCM , Senjutsu , RSM , Itachi's eyes ??

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

The only time Senjutsu was a borrowed power was when Sasuke was using the Cursed Mark and when Madara absorbed Hashirama's power. Otherwise Senjutsu is a technique that requires a good bit of training.

 

[Guntah]

My own opinion is that , it can be his power because he tried for it (it's same as SM ; You have a chakra source (Nature or Kurama) and you take chakra from that source) ....
And what's your own opinion about KCM , Senjutsu , RSM , Itachi's eyes ??

Well, I still don't think Senjutsu is a borrowed power, though I see why someone would.

Though aside from Senjutus, all the ones you pointed out are borrowed power IMO. It doesn't mean the characters that got them didn't fight for it or didn't earn it, but it IS still borrowed power. So while I do think it is borrowed power, unlike most people, I don't think that necessarily means its a bad thing or an undeserved gain.

 

[NextGenNinja]

Maybe, i guess you can say it's well deserved. Since that actually required training.

 

[Mari Makinami]

Spoiler

borrow
[bor-oh, bawr-oh]

verb (used with object)
1.
to take or obtain with the promise to return the same or an equivalent:
Our neighbor borrowed my lawn mower.

No power is 'borrowed' unless you will be returning it later. At the same time, nearly every power in NV is stolen by default (from Shinju and Kaguya).

 

[Guntah]

Spoiler

borrow
[bor-oh, bawr-oh]

verb (used with object)
1.
to take or obtain with the promise to return the same or an equivalent:
Our neighbor borrowed my lawn mower.

No power is 'borrowed' unless you will be returning it later. At the same time, nearly every power in NV is stolen by default (from Shinju and Kaguya).

There's always that one person, isn't there? :|

 

[Mari Makinami]

There's always that one person, isn't there? :|

:snick: it is especially ironic to see it coming from you, of all people on this site.

No need to go off topic, though. My point is very simple. Just because there is some stupid and frankly incorrect concept that is accepted in the fandom in general due to people's ignorance, it doesn't make this concept and its usage any more valid.

 

[Guntah]

:snick: it is especially ironic to see it coming from you, of all people on this site.

No need to go off topic, though. My point is very simple. Just because there is some stupid and frankly incorrect concept that is accepted in the fandom in general due to people's ignorance, it doesn't make this concept and its usage any more valid.

Yeah...until I realised that whenever I said something like that I just made myself look like a total prick, so I stopped. :lol

Either way, whether the concept is properly named or even if Chakra itself is technically borrowed power doesn't really matter to its overall premise.

 

[Lyke]

There's always that one person, isn't there? :|

So Kurama is borrowed, senjutsu isnt
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[Guntah]

So Kurama is borrowed, senjutsu isnt.

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God damn. I don't know who made this image, but I gotta find out and thank them. Implications aside, its hilarious.

 

[Mari Makinami]

Yeah...until I realised that whenever I said something like that I just made myself look like a total prick, so I stopped. :lol

Either way, whether the concept is properly named or even if Chakra itself is technically borrowed power doesn't really matter to its overall premise.

Then you should've made your question in the OP considerably less vague than it is, especially seeing as you do actually realize its virtual inconsistency.

It does matter that Chakra itself is technically 'borrowed' power in the context you used in the OP, and very much so. At the same time, it also makes the whole 'borrowed power' argument absolutely irrelevant, because since every single power is technically 'borrowed' by default, the only thing that actually matters is how much effort was put into attaining a certain power. And it is very debatable what is harder, defeating Kurama or training to acquire senjutsu.

 

[Yozora]

For me, "borrowed power" is when someone or something helps a character to attain an ability/strength without the character himself putting on the action of "developing" it and adapting it to their own fighting prowess. So for me, the ability of attaining senjutsu isn't a "borrowed power" because the user needs to actually practice in balancing it within his body to get a positive outcome out of it. As for something like the EMS, I wouldn't really call it a "borrowed power". I know it's a grey line, but EMS is more like an "add-on/extension" from my point of view since you first need to personally attain MS anyway (as an Uchiha, of course). Though in the case of Shisui's stolen MS by Danzo, I'd consider that as "borrowed power".

 

[Troyg39]

Then you should've made your question in the OP considerably less vague than it is, especially seeing as you do actually realize its virtual inconsistency.

It does matter that Chakra itself is technically 'borrowed' power in the context you used in the OP, and very much so. At the same time, it also makes the whole 'borrowed power' argument absolutely irrelevant, because since every single power is technically 'borrowed' by default, the only thing that actually matters is how much effort was put into attaining a certain power. And it is very debatable what is harder, defeating Kurama or training to acquire senjutsu.

Why does how much effort being put into acuiring the power matter? Is it because how a power is gained has significant impact on or importance to the power?

OP: Nothing you mentioned is a borrowed power because thats something people made up to feel better about liking/disliking a character. Once power is obtained, its yours. The story places no significant importance on how everyone gets their power and who trained more for it. Neither should you

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

If Senjutsu is stealing/borrowing power then so is all jutsu and all chakra usage. Senjutsu takes way more skill & effort to collect and use anyway.

 

[Yatori]

I don't think so. Agreed with indecent post.

 

[Mari Makinami]

Why does how much effort being put into acuiring the power matter? Is it because how a power is gained has significant impact on or importance to the power?

OP: Nothing you mentioned is a borrowed power because thats something people made up to feel better about liking/disliking a character. Once power is obtained, its yours. The story places no significant importance on how everyone gets their power and who trained more for it. Neither should you

Make no mistake, it only matters to the context of the OP, not generally