Is Senjutsu "Borrowed Power"?

[Kanino]

No is not

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Nope, it's not. Honestly the term "borrowed power" on this site is mostly used to rustle nardo fans

 

[Dantе]

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None of Sasuke's powers are borrowed. It was either given to him or he took it.

On the other hand, you can classify Kurama as a borrowed power because Naruto has to beg Kurama for the chakra; and Kurama can take it back on his whim. (KCM is an exception)

 

[Warlocks]

its not Borrowed Power cuz SM user manipulate natural energy

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Also you have to think about it on an environmental sense. There's no 'borrowing' in nature, not when we're literally part of the system.

 

[Umari Senju]

Why does how much effort being put into acuiring the power matter? Is it because how a power is gained has significant impact on or importance to the power?

OP: Nothing you mentioned is a borrowed power because thats something people made up to feel better about liking/disliking a character. Once power is obtained, its yours. The story places no significant importance on how everyone gets their power and who trained more for it. Neither should you

This ^

The "Borrowed Power" argument has always been a real annoyance to me. From issue 1/ episode 1 we were told about Naruto and having Kurama inside of him. There have been 9 Jin throughout the entire Managa/series all with virtually the same set of rules regarding being a Jin. But when it comes to Naruto the excuse is it's borrowed power as if it somehow cheapens his victories.

"Example" if a person shoots lasers out of his eyes and you have a Tiger that can lunge at him on command and disarm him, does that somehow cheapen your victory because you relied on the Tiger's strength to win.

It is your tiger and listens to your orders. You had to spend time training it, establishing its trust. Same applies to Jin.

The Uchiha are the same. They may use someone else's eye to increase their own strength, but the power they obtain differs from the power originally present in the Seperate eye so therefor should not be concidered borrowed power.

Sasuke hot Itachi's eyes but he didn't get his Susanoo and Enton became his very own as a result.

 

[Warlocks]

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None of Sasuke's powers are borrowed. It was either given to him or he took it.

On the other hand, you can classify Kurama as a borrowed power because Naruto has to beg Kurama for the chakra; and Kurama can take it back on his whim. (KCM is an exception)

sasuke ems stolen/ he ask for itachi eye so

and no he cant

sasuke
ems= hand out
rinnagan=hand out
amaterasu=hand out

naruto
kcm=stolen
bm=hand out
rsm=hand out

none of there power r Borrowed

 

[Lyke]

none of sasukes powers are borrowed because he cant give it back. Its his eye now unlike kurama

 

[Warlocks]

none of sasukes powers are borrowed because he cant give it back. Its his eye now unlike kurama

yup agree its not borrowed
but its hand out

 

[take it easy]

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None of Sasuke's powers are borrowed. It was either given to him or he took it.

On the other hand, you can classify Kurama as a borrowed power because Naruto has to beg Kurama for the chakra; and Kurama can take it back on his whim. (KCM is an exception)

Explain how he can take back chakra which already was used ?

 

[FunkyFatal]

Spoiler

borrow
[bor-oh, bawr-oh]

verb (used with object)
1.
to take or obtain with the promise to return the same or an equivalent:
Our neighbor borrowed my lawn mower.

No power is 'borrowed' unless you will be returning it later. At the same time, nearly every power in NV is stolen by default (from Shinju and Kaguya).

I was going to say the same thing lol.

Like Hashi cells, curse mark, orochimaru body steal tech, kabuto's stolen powers, obito ten tail jin, and plenty of others are examples are power that was stolen rather than "borrowed" since they had no intentions of returning it to it's proper owner. And technically all chakra did belong to Kaguya from the beginning and was stolen from her when she thought she could trust other's. As we know the chakra was dispersed across the generations and never returned to it's original source.

But if you look at it from another point of view Kaguya's grandsons Indra and Ashura actually "gifted" the people with chakra rather than letting them borrow it or having it stolen from them. They gave them power that you can't really say is borrowed, but was gifted unto them since they have no intentions of returning it but actually using it for their own purposes. You can even say that kurama and itachi gifted naruto and sasuke with power. Naruto won over kurama's heart allowing kurama to willingly gift him chakra without expecting anything in return, even though sometimes naruto asks for power making it borrowed. It kinda goes back and forth. Sasuke may have implanted Itachi's eyes on his own, but we all know Itachi would have willingly gave his eyes to his brother if he was alive to do so. He wanted sasauke to have them as a gift because he wanted sasuke to surpass him.



****In some cases due to their improved relationship Kurama "gifts" naruto power expecting nothing in return such as in the last fight between naruto & sasuke. Where as in other cases naruto asks kurama for chakra making it "borrowed" as he returns the reserved chakra he didn't use.****

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*Their are differences between "stolen", "borrowed", and "gifted" powers. Any person willing to research should obviously know the difference.

Madara taking and using Hashi cells/Kabuto taking sound ninja's power = "stolen"

Obito giving Kakashi his eye (youth)/Naruto gaining SM/Hagoroma giving sasuke rinnegan and naruto power = "gifted"

Kakashi gaining both sharingan power momentarily by Obito = "borrowed"

Curse mark (orochi gave them power expecting it back in return by means of their bodies) = "borrowed"
*The curse mark was almost like a contract with orochi.



If we dive even deeper we can say that Madara's rinnegan is "stolen" power because to harvest and awaken the rinnegan you need both Uchiha/Indra chakra and Senju chakra. His senju part was stolen by the cells of Hashirama so in technicality his rinnegan was awakened from a "stolen" power thus making his rinnegan overall a "stolen" power not achieved by his own hands or gifted to him.

This a lot to read i know lol.




Gift (noun)

1. a thing given willingly to someone without payment; a present.

Gift (verb)

1. give (something) as a gift, especially formally or as a donation or bequest.

 

[Dizzldot]

Basically anyone else's power being added on to your own while they either offered it or had no say in you taking it such as hashi cells, EMS, Curse mark, Jinchuriki transformations past the point of forcing their chakra away, Six paths enhancements

 

[Dizzldot]

none of sasukes powers are borrowed because he cant give it back. Its his eye now unlike kurama

....then naruto's aren't either he's not giving kurama his chakra back its his now lol thats a bad definition and sasuke can give his eye's back to another person he even said he could give it to kakashi

 

[SenseiSama]

Use of senjutsu fits the theme that Ashura needed external help to match his brother, through hard work he managed to get his power from an outside source and match the naturally strong chakra Indra was born with.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

This ^

The "Borrowed Power" argument has always been a real annoyance to me. From issue 1/ episode 1 we were told about Naruto and having Kurama inside of him. There have been 9 Jin throughout the entire Managa/series all with virtually the same set of rules regarding being a Jin. But when it comes to Naruto the excuse is it's borrowed power as if it somehow cheapens his victories.

"Example" if a person shoots lasers out of his eyes and you have a Tiger that can lunge at him on command and disarm him, does that somehow cheapen your victory because you relied on the Tiger's strength to win.

It is your tiger and listens to your orders. You had to spend time training it, establishing its trust. Same applies to Jin.

The Uchiha are the same. They may use someone else's eye to increase their own strength, but the power they obtain differs from the power originally present in the Seperate eye so therefor should not be concidered borrowed power.

Sasuke hot Itachi's eyes but he didn't get his Susanoo and Enton became his very own as a result.

IMO I don't think he got enton from ems, he was starting to use it st the summit. The same with his ps, I think it was a ems ability, the only reason we saw it like we did was because sasuke had lil to no time to develop his eye powers before his next power up plot wise

 

[SusanooGodEgde]

i believe its not borrowed power. and if u know the definition of borrow, then none of the naruto characters have borrowed powers.

 

[Sagebee]

I say no since the person themselves have the special ability to access it

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Use of senjutsu fits the theme that Ashura needed external help to match his brother, through hard work he managed to get his power from an outside source and match the naturally strong chakra Indra was born with.

you have to train to attain sage mode.

not everything is freaking god damn about indra and asura...jesus

 

[WalksInShadows]

i've never been a subscriber to there being a such thing as "borrowed power". Nobody has ever acquired anything they intended on returning at a later point, whether the thing in question was given or taken. You can't return NE and it's already present around everybody anyway, so a SM user is just utilizing that power. It's like saying the Force is a borrowed power.

 

[NarutoX28]

It depends, do you believe Kirin is a borrowed power simply because it takes advantage of mother-nature?