[Question] Is ScrewAttack planning for Zoro vs Erza?

[Punk Hazard]

Because the realm of possibilities in Fairy Tail. The boundaries of reality can be pushed a lot further then in One Piece. Where Devil Fruits can be considered magical and grant abilities the charachters in Fairy tail use actual magic.

Take Gray for example who is an ice wizard. He uses techniques that surpass Aokiji's abilities. He uses that snap freeze just as easily as an admiral level fighter in One Piece. And like someone said before FT has magicians that control time and senses, open gates to other realms.

If you would subject Zoro to any of that he would be lost. Maybe lack of sight can be replaced by amazing CoO, but that is only shown by Fujitora in One Piece.

In One Piece big animals can be considered as strong opponents. Luffy and Zoro trained against animals during the timeskip for example. In Fairy Tail Erza cleared a gauntlet of 100 high ranking demons.

Erza has elemental swords with all swords of tricks to them. We all know how Zoro struggles to find out the secret to behind a skill in order to beat it and Erza can casually cycle through them.

She also has a huge collection of armors. I really don't know what all her outfits do but I looked one up just to show her range. She has an armor that is called The Adamantine Armor. And Adamantine is considered to be in the same boat as diamond when it comes to toughness. So good luck cutting that.

The point is that Erza's range varies on the attacking side from all kinds of "devil fruit abilities" to elemental sword styles and the number of swords she wields. And on the defence she has loads of magical armors that cancel effects, boost her abilities, or are just as hard as diamond.

She is basically someone who ate 15 devil fruits.

And destruction wise Erza also had fights that leveled city blocks. In the video she uses something that is on par with cutting Pica and that was just one of her moves, not even a finsher. look at 2:35






No not at all

Hmm, I see what you mean. Even via One Piece powerscaling, Zoro hasn't shown the ability to cut diamond or anything close to it as of yet, so that armor will probably be a deciding factor. You do make a good point about the disadvantage of Erza being able to cycle through a multitude of abilities, while Zoro has shown to have a hard time figuring out ways around an opponent with one tricky ability. This just got a lot more interesting to me if Erza can do all that.

 

[ToshiZO]

Finally, something up my alley.

OT: Zoro casually stomps and solos her fodder verse. Low difficulty due to sheer numbers. Otherwise it'd be a neg-fest.

Via feats-

Zoro: small city with little effort, GM calc'd the Pica Slash at 11.5 MT last time I checked/MHS+ via scaling from a casual Gear 2nd Luffy, PTS Van Augur, etc. Approximately mach 1500 if we rank his combat speed directly under Luffy's (which is downplay, he's been consistently portrayed as superior to Luffy in that respect).

Erza: Town level// high-hypersonic+ - low massively hypersonic, about 60 or so, being *extremely* generous. There are literally no feats in that ballpark that weren't performed by Dragons.

Zoro blitzes her face off and one-shot based on feats alone.

With powerscaling? Lol. He solos the verse, as I said. Asura Zoro is at least comparable to Gear 4th Luffy, who's solidly island level with KKG, calc'd on numerous occasions.

Don't even get me started on speed. Lol. FT-verse god-tiers are small island to island (< Island level being the HIGHEST and most wanked high-end) and barely MHS. Lol.

M3 butt****s.

Finally something applicable in a cross versus.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Mans found the first post that says "Zoro wins" with some numbers, and immediately labelled it the only "true" post in the entire thread. Wew this gon be great for ScrewAttack.

 

[Hexuze]

What? Gray has never came close to Aokiji in terms of ice power. For the most part we never seen Aokiji go all out, he usually holds back. Even then he outperforms Gray by a landslide.

Notice that threats in Fairy Tail are region locked to Magnolia (their home town). The entire series has been locked to that single region so you could see how easily OP outclasses in power.

I don't think Acnologia can destroy the world as some of the OP top tiers could in their prime. What's the best feat he performed? Destroying a couple of mountains? That's not really impressive...

 

[ToshiZO]

Mans found the first post that says "Zoro wins" with some numbers, and immediately labelled it the only "true" post in the entire thread. Wew this gon be great for ScrewAttack.

Because that was literally one of the only people here who brought actual scaled calcs, not some random jibber jabber, about what looks cool, or about variety.

What? Gray has never came close to Aokiji in terms of ice power. For the most part we never seen Aokiji go all out, he usually holds back. Even then he outperforms Gray by a landslide.

Notice that threats in Fairy Tail are region locked to Magnolia (their home town). The entire series has been locked to that single region so you could see how easily OP outclasses in power.

I don't think Acnologia can destroy the world as some of the OP top tiers could in their prime. What's the best feat he performed? Destroying a couple of mountains? That's not really impressive...

Like I said, he's judging by the "how cool it looks on panel" factor.

I'm skimming through Gray's ice feats, and nothing I've seen comes close to this

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Freezing the ocean as far as the eye can see in a split second.

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Correct me if Gray has anything comparable to that.

 

[Love Cook]

Because that was literally one of the only people here who brought actual scaled calcs, not some random jibber jabber, about what looks cool, or about variety.




Like I said, he's judging by the "how cool it looks on panel" factor.

I'm skimming through Gray's ice feats, and nothing I've seen comes close to this

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Freezing the ocean as far as the eye can see in a split second.

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Correct me if Gray has anything comparable to that.

That is because you're a dumbass and don't know what you're talking about. Gray's powers work different from Aokiji. Gray has Ice make magic and is more in control over harnessing and utilizing ice instead of creating as an element to impact his surroundings.

Nevertheless Gray can freeze people solid by the swipe of a finger. Which is an admiral level feat in One Piece. Also the temperatures Gray freezes or has to withstand in FT are way lower than that of Aokiji's ice.

So the big stuff is cool for show, but Gray's power focuses more on the direct damage.

Like I said, you know shit about what I think. Educate yourself before making a turd of yourself twice in this thread. It's true that we haven't seen Aokiji's full extent but at least Gray has shown to be on par with what he has shown now.

On another note, this thread is not about Gray. I merely used him as an example to show the range in FT and that the protagonists have abilities that rival or surpass Admirals in One Piece. So once you've figured that out get back on-topic.

EDIT: Invel a character Gray fought used ice Magic that was so cold that it could freeze Dragonslayer flames. Gray was able to withstand that cold an beat Invel. So if you want a feat that trumps freezing water. Here is one freezing fire. So that puts the final nail in the coffin for the power of the OP verse.

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[Main I]

Like where?

Like in FMI when Usopp mentioned he couldn't even see Zoro move upon slashing Surume. This isn't the first time such things have been said by the other strawhats about Zoro. Hasn't happened with Luffy. Inb4 "Well, Usopp's fodder", irrelevant. Author portrayal is the fact of the matter.

Based on?

Unless KKG one-shots Asura Zoro (Lol), you've nothing to contest. Even if you are willing to go that far, it doesn't perpetuate any contention. If we were to horrendously downplay Zoro to only 1/100 of Luffy's DC/Durability he'd still be 100 megatons, which is Mountain+ and still MHS+, effectively hell-blitzing every character in the FT-verse and one-shotting them as well. Honestly, even with this disgusting low-ball Zoro still solos. FT top-tiers are Mountain level - Mountain+. God-tiers are small island - (Wanked) island and- very literally- thousands of times slower in every respect. Worst part is these aren't even feats, just generous upward scaling. Lol.

No amount of downplay will save FT from getting curbed by OP mid-high tiers.

 

[Skull Knight]

Just saying FT has never slayed any dragons whereas Zoro already killed one back at PH:elmo:

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Yep. Its Erza vs Zoro. It preview was uploaded today.

Logically, Zoro should win but FT doesn't follow logic and its ScrewAttack so....

 

[Lord Tywin]

Zoro beats Acnologia. Acnologia was casually going to bust a small island, about size of Pica. Zoro is at the very least as strong as the strongest character in FT

 

[Love Cook]

Unless KKG one-shots Asura Zoro (Lol), you've nothing to contest. Even if you are willing to go that far, it doesn't perpetuate any contention. If we were to horrendously downplay Zoro to only 1/100 of Luffy's DC/Durability he'd still be 100 megatons, which is Mountain+ and still MHS+, effectively hell-blitzing every character in the FT-verse and one-shotting them as well. Honestly, even with this disgusting low-ball Zoro still solos. FT top-tiers are Mountain level - Mountain+. God-tiers are small island - (Wanked) island and- very literally- thousands of times slower in every respect. Worst part is these aren't even feats, just generous upward scaling. Lol.

No amount of downplay will save FT from getting curbed by OP mid-high tiers.

This has to be the nerdiest paragraph I've ever read and I've been on a manga forum for almost 10 years.

Zoro beats Acnologia. Acnologia was casually going to bust a small island, about size of Pica. Zoro is at the very least as strong as the strongest character in FT

How does Zoro surpass Erza's Adamantine armor ?

 

[Main I]

Concession accepted. You're dismissed.

But before you go, you've been on manga forums for 10 years and I'm the nerd? That isn't even the pot calling the kettle black, that's the pot calling the kettle a f*cking pot. Lol.

 

[Lord Tywin]

This has to be the nerdiest paragraph I've ever read and I've been on a manga forum for almost 10 years.



How does Zoro surpass Erza's Adamantine armor ?

Because her face isn't completely uncovered

 

[Love Cook]

Concession accepted. You're dismissed.

But before you go, you've been on manga forums for 10 years and I'm the nerd? That isn't even the pot calling the kettle black, that's the pot calling the kettle a f*cking pot. Lol.

Yeah well Mr. megaton islandbuster. There was no concession made. Take your dumbass numbers and stats elsewhere. You're presenting all this shit like a scientific paper while there is no ground to it at all.

End of the day in One Piece and Admiral with one of the stongest abilities in One Pieces is able the freeze water, and in Fairy tail Dragon flames are frozen. In Fairy Tail people fight without any of their senses while Fujitora an admiral level fighter has to rely on amazing CoO to make up for the lack of sight. In One Piece Zoro isn't able to cut diamond and Erza has a Adamantine armor in her closet.

Also a bit disappointed you don't understand what hyperbolic humor is.

Because her face isn't completely uncovered

Oh this loophole shit again. Zoro the face cutter. Known for hitting the face.

Just accept that if a character is wearing a Adamantine armor, that the writer is trying to convey the message, this is a very strong armor, you can't just surpass this.

If you just follow the normal rules of battle in anime, nobody is getting stabbed in the face because that would defeat the purpose of drawing the damn armor in the first place.

I cannot count the amount of times I've read that Zoro would cut limbs if he would fight opponents that aren't swordsmen. While Zoro has never cut a limb before. If Luffy would clash with Zoro the fight wouldn't end in Zoro cutting Luffy's arm off even though he is very much capable in doing so.

So don't be like he is going to stab Erza in the face, that is not how the fight would play out in the manga if Oda or Hiro would write it.

 

[LitzSabr]

About the attack potency of Gray and Aokiji. Aokiji battled Akainu of all people for 10 days. His ice vs Akainu's magma with which he instantly evaporated a massive block of ice. And in process Aokiji's powers permanently changed the climate of the island. Aside from this, the difference in the capacity is quite large in aokiji's favor.
Aokiji can also manipulate ice to produce different objects, partisan/pheasant beak for example. But that's quite a basic thing.

How does Zoro surpass Erza's Adamantine armor ?

Need some clarification on this. I've checked and can't find even on wiki that it is as strong as a diamond. Plus seems it got destroyed by Jupiter cannon which happens to be a city level attack, which also damaged Erza. And Zoro can pull multiple city level attacks with ease.

 

[Main I]

Yeah well Mr. megaton islandbuster. There was no concession made. Take your dumbass numbers and stats elsewhere. You're presenting all this shit like a scientific paper while there is no ground to it at all.

End of the day in One Piece and Admiral with one of the stongest abilities in One Pieces is able the freeze water, and in Fairy tail Dragon flames are frozen. In Fairy Tail people fight without any of their senses while Fujitora an admiral level fighter has to rely on amazing CoO to make up for the lack of sight. In One Piece Zoro isn't able to cut diamond and Erza has a Adamantine armor in her closet.

Also a bit disappointed you don't understand what hyperbolic humor is.

You dismiss evidential refutation without even the tiniest semblance of rebuttle with- f*cking literally- "take your bullshit numbers and stats elsewhere", seriously, you can't make this kind of shit up. Lol.

Holds no ground, does it? Alright, then enlighten me. How so? Hopefully you make the "pixel scaling is inaccurate due to inconsistencies with the art" argument. Considering this is One Piece, that would just be wonderful. I won't straw-man you, though. I'll wait.

I'm presenting it as legitimate evidence that requires a refutal before dismissal. Here's a calc for Luffy's KKG.

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Please, address and refute any and all flaws, be it the math, physics, geometry, etc. I insist, we can discuss it here.

This next paragraph is wholly irrelevant to my position on this matter. Though, there's one fallacious statement you've made that I suppose can be considered relevant so I'll address it. Diamond in the One Piece verse is not and cannot be equated to diamonds in real life or any other series. Zoro has consistently been capable of kiloton - megaton level attacks for hundreds of chapters.

Either you believe real world diamonds can tank all of the energy released by the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima in 1945 without a scratch, or that diamond in FT is the same as diamond in One Piece; both of which you'd have to prove with valid evidence.

Ironically, you're the one who clearly can't detect hyperbolic humor. Just full of contradictions and non-sequiturs today, aren't we?

 

[Love Cook]

About the attack potency of Gray and Aokiji. Aokiji battled Akainu of all people for 10 days. His ice vs Akainu's magma with which he instantly evaporated a massive block of ice. And in process Aokiji's powers permanently changed the climate of the island. Aside from this, the difference in the capacity is quite large in aokiji's favor.
Aokiji can also manipulate ice to produce different objects, partisan/pheasant beak for example. But that's quite a basic thing.



Need some clarification on this. I've checked and can't find even on wiki that it is as strong as a diamond. Plus seems it got destroyed by Jupiter cannon which happens to be a city level attack, which also damaged Erza. And Zoro can pull multiple city level attacks with ease.

Wow it's almost like you don't understand at all. Wasn't talking about how creative Graw was with making shapes I said that the nature of his attacks focus more on harnessing the ice powers rather than affecting his surroundings. It's hitterally what I said, and your comeback is how Aokiji's ice powers affected the surroundings. Round of applause for the reading skills. Also conveniently skipped the part where Invel (beaten by gray because he withstood the cold) was able to freeze dragon flames. Let's give Aokiji the advantage and say that dragon flames are as hot as a candle in your home 1000 degrees Celsius (

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) And that Aokiji's lava is as hot as the hotest variety, only 1250 degrees Celsius (

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). Maybe in those ten days Aokiji should've frozen that lava if he is that much stronger that a fairy tail character right ?

As for the clarification on Adamantine. Google it. Maybe try something along the lines of is Adamantine as strong as diamond ?

You dismiss evidential refutation without even the tiniest semblance of rebuttle with- f*cking literally- "take your bullshit numbers and stats elsewhere", seriously, you can't make this kind of shit up. Lol.

Holds no ground, does it? Alright, then enlighten me. How so? Hopefully you make the "pixel scaling is inaccurate due to inconsistencies with the art" argument. Considering this is One Piece, that would just be wonderful. I won't straw-man you, though. I'll wait.

I'm presenting it as legitimate evidence that requires a refutal before dismissal. Here's a calc for Luffy's KKG.

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Please, address and refute any and all flaws, be it the math, physics, geometry, etc. I insist, we can discuss it here.

This next paragraph is wholly irrelevant to my position on this matter. Though, there's one fallacious statement you've made that I suppose can be considered relevant so I'll address it. Diamond in the One Piece verse is not and cannot be equated to diamonds in real life or any other series. Zoro has consistently been capable of kiloton - megaton level attacks for hundreds of chapters.

Either you believe real world diamonds can tank all of the energy released by the bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima in 1945 without a scratch, or that diamond in FT is the same as diamond in One Piece; both of which you'd have to prove with valid evidence.

Ironically, you're the one who clearly can't detect hyperbolic humor. Just full of contradictions and non-sequiturs today, aren't we?

Cool beans, making some sort of science out of manga, I'm not going to waste my time trying to do maths on a fictional character fight.

If I would make some kind of elaborate site with all kind of methods that can't be measured and present them as fact and tell the other guy to prove me wrong that wouldn't mean I was right.

So I'm not even going to try because it is the biggest bullshit I've ever read. Asking me to compare diamond strength in two different manga. IT'S FUCKING FICTION. And you're kiloton attacks don't tell me shit.

Comparing the slash of a manga swordsman to a nuclear bomb during WW2, you're off your rocker dude. Way too deep into the rabbit hole.

Also your definition of hyperbolic humor confirms that you don't understand hyperbolic humor.

The thing that you got correct is irony, because that is very ironic.

EDIT: Feel free to reply but I'm not answering anymore, this shit has gotten retarded.

 

[LitzSabr]

Wow it's almost like you don't understand at all. Wasn't talking about how creative Graw was with making shapes I said that the nature of his attacks focus more on harnessing the ice powers rather than affecting his surroundings. It's hitterally what I said, and your comeback is how Aokiji's ice powers affected the surroundings. Round of applause for the reading skills. Also conveniently skipped the part where Invel (beaten by gray because he withstood the cold) was able to freeze dragon flames. Let's give Aokiji the advantage and say that dragon flames are as hot as a candle in your home 1000 degrees Celsius (

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) And that Aokiji's lava is as hot as the hotest variety, only 1250 degrees Celsius (

You must be registered for see links

). Maybe in those ten days Aokiji should've frozen that lava if he is that much stronger that a fairy tail character right ?

As for the clarification on Adamantine. Google it. Maybe try something along the lines of is Adamantine as strong as diamond ?

Then whatever he does you should give some impressive feats here. What can he do with his powers and no the ones you previously gave weren't.
Maybe or maybe it's because of the fact that there was someone else there who was producing magma(1600 C max naturally) in enormous quantities in those 10 days which btw really matters. Plus the fact that Akainu's DF might be awakened and that too might has altered some of his natural powers. And about the flames since I don't know, what are the strongest feat the user has done with them?

Any material having quality of adamant would be one. And that can be a material which is made up of some other gemstone meaning not diamond. So whatever the name here is, what it exactly is what matters.

 

[Main I]

Wow it's almost like you don't understand at all. Wasn't talking about how creative Graw was with making shapes I said that the nature of his attacks focus more on harnessing the ice powers rather than affecting his surroundings. It's hitterally what I said, and your comeback is how Aokiji's ice powers affected the surroundings. Round of applause for the reading skills. Also conveniently skipped the part where Invel (beaten by gray because he withstood the cold) was able to freeze dragon flames. Let's give Aokiji the advantage and say that dragon flames are as hot as a candle in your home 1000 degrees Celsius (

You must be registered for see links

) And that Aokiji's lava is as hot as the hotest variety, only 1250 degrees Celsius (

You must be registered for see links

). Maybe in those ten days Aokiji should've frozen that lava if he is that much stronger that a fairy tail character right ?

As for the clarification on Adamantine. Google it. Maybe try something along the lines of is Adamantine as strong as diamond ?



Cool beans, making some sort of science out of manga, I'm not going to waste my time trying to do maths on a fictional character fight.

If I would make some kind of elaborate site with all kind of methods that can't be measured and present them as fact and tell the other guy to prove me wrong that wouldn't mean I was right.

So I'm not even going to try because it is the biggest bullshit I've ever read. Asking me to compare diamond strength in two different manga. IT'S FUCKING FICTION. And you're kiloton attacks don't tell me shit.

Comparing the slash of a manga swordsman to a nuclear bomb during WW2, you're off your rocker dude. Way too deep into the rabbit hole.

Also your definition of hyperbolic humor confirms that you don't understand hyperbolic humor.

The thing that you got correct is irony, because that is very ironic.

EDIT: Feel free to reply but I'm not answering anymore, this shit has gotten retarded.

Making science? That's perhaps the most cancerous mouth-diarrhea that made its way onto the walls if this thread. Honestly the most impressive aspect of your person thus far.

Well, I didn't "make" anything. It just is science, something that is clearly a foreign concept to you. Physics and calculus with some geometry, things that unfortunately do exist. I didn't coin the word "kiloton" and neither did VSBW or OBD. These are methods founded in the real life scientific community to calculate the speed and force of everyday phenomena. I find the fact that you went as far as to imply that these sites actually created these methods of calculation to be legitimately astounding. Even for a sciolist of your magnitude such infallible ignorance toward scientific method just isn't acceptable, especially when you're parading about- in a revoltingly pompous manner, mind you- as if you were actually competent in some regard. It's unsightly.

"I'm not going to try because its the biggest bullshit I ever read" meaning you've no evidence to support your position or any means to invalidate mine due to your own personal shortcomings and lack of knowledge regarding the matter entirely. A classic duck-and-dodge to avoid concession. It's alright, your position would have been dismantled pretty easily anyway. You can save yourself the time and keystrokes. And that's funny, you're not going to discuss the notion even though you were the one who brought it to the table? If you recall correctly, you were the one who implied that because Zoro could not cut diamond that he could not cut through Erza's Adamantine armor, which is directly equating diamond from two different verses in fiction. Even by your own standards, your argument is absolutely brain-dead. Seriously, do you not see how and why you've made no progress here?

The force required to slice in half something with pica's density and mass absolutely SHITS on the energy released by Little Boy in Hiroshima that day. By literal hundreds of times, actually. That is an inarguable fact that cannot be refuted- it's a fact dictated by physics.

All you've done sling logical fallacies, completely refuse to address what invalidates your claims, and make plays at personal incredulity. Welp, let me tell you son; what you believe doesn't matter. All that's relevant in this world is what you can prove or disprove.

Yeah, you'd better not respond. It really is likely for the best. Though, if you're ever in the mood for another neck-slamming, you know where to find me. That is, if you're willing to follow debate procedure and support yourself with something substantial. Lol.

PS. Again, you've displayed the sweet, sweet irony of your inability comprehend the basic ins and outs of the concept you tried to criticize me over, just another product of your sciolism, I suppose.

 

[Love Cook]

Then whatever he does you should give some impressive feats here. What can he do with his powers and no the ones you previously gave weren't.
Maybe or maybe it's because of the fact that there was someone else there who was producing magma(1600 C max naturally) in enormous quantities in those 10 days which btw really matters. Plus the fact that Akainu's DF might be awakened and that too might has altered some of his natural powers. And about the flames since I don't know, what are the strongest feat the user has done with them?

Any material having quality of adamant would be one. And that can be a material which is made up of some other gemstone meaning not diamond. So whatever the name here is, what it exactly is what matters.

Invel the ice mage, beaten by Gray the stronger ice mage. Was able to instantly freeze dragonflames. You can find a scan on the previous page. So it doesn't matter if Akainu keeps producing because the freezing part was instant and I turned the the heat of the flames all the way down and the heat off the magma all the way up to give Akainu an edge. And inyour powst you're buffing Akainu even more that says enough that and admiral in One Piece has to be dialed all the way up to counter attack a finger swipe motion of a Fairy Tail Character that was beaten fairly easily.

Diamond is the strongest 'natural' material and Adamantium is a man mad alloy which is commonly believed to be stronger than diamond. I was being generous by saying it was in the same ballpark or close to diamond, to give Zoro a chance. Bottom line is that he isn't going to cut that armor.

If that isn't enough Erza can alzo summon 200 swords.

Well, I didn't "make" anything. It just is science,

Whatever you say Bill Nye the manga science guy. I have a masters degree in Architectural engineering, I know science when I see it. The slash of a cartoon character is not science, all the stuff you have to back those feats up is indeed made up evidence.

Don't mock me because you're silly enough to take that seriously. The title I got for graduating was Msc.. funnily enough that stands for Master of Science.

Talking about me like you know me, you know shit.

I'm happy to discuss and compare manga fights and compare panels. But leave Hiroshima out of it. All those calculations of speed and strength are nothing more than guesswork.