Is Sasuke the only character to redeem himself from being soloed?

[shelke]

Well actually Naruto has shown to beat a lot of characters without the Kyuubi's help. He can't pick what power that was given to him, I mean Minato had to seal it. Yet you can't even come up with a good argument ...Nice intelligence.

Naruto vs Pain in the beginning without him killing Hinata - GG
Naruto vs Kakuzu (Spelled right? Idk, don't care lmao) - Showing growth
Naruto vs Sasuke Part 1 - Naruto should of won, plot restriction for Sasuke to leave and he aimed for the headband. Gg.
Naruto vs Sasuke S. Part 1 - Taka Sasuke solos
Naruto vs. Kurama to seal chakra - Naruto beat his ass, even Kurama was suprised.

Yet Sasuke..
Sasuke vs Deidara - Tell me again how he did that? Plot.
Sasuke vs Danzo - LMAO. He would of lost without Karin and even Obito had to almost step in to save his ass. Danzo being beaten by Sasuke who wasn't even thinking clearly? Okay Lol
Sasuke vs anyone literally besides Naruto

He really does fail.

Pein fight:

- Uses smoke bombs - Pein cannot see.
- Pein is handicapped at the start.
- Rinnegan cannot discern Naruto in the dark, when it can see invisible chakra, proven by the barrier incident.
- Goes into Kurama mode at just the right moment.
- Goes into SM magically after reverting back.
- Was inside CT, but when reverts back ... is standing outside.
- Pein succumbs to a damn book.

I am not even touching the fact how Ma summoned an entire platoon just so he could enter into SM again.

If this is a legit win ... then I need to laugh at this.

- His win against Kakuzu matches the pein fight.

- Without Kushina, Naruto would have lost the fight.

- Chakra he used to suppress Orochimaru was used.
- Karin didn't do anything to help him. Danzo was killed by Sasuke - the seal activates on death. He beat him how many times?


Let's not state that Naruto did anything spectacular against his opponents. Didn't he win a decisive Chunin exam round ... with a fart? That's hard work right there.

 

[lndra]

Sasuke vs Deidara, tell you how he did that.

Skill, cunning, flawless superiority, Deidara had to commit suicide to have hopes of killing him. I bet if Naruto summoned Kurama and hid in its mouth nobody would even care, shit had it been Naruto half of Konoha would be at his side along with Kakashi, Sakura, Sai, Yamato, all K11 etc..

Sasuke vs Danzo? Don't you mean Sasuke vs everyone at the damn summit, aside from Suigetsu and Jugo fighting Darui and the Raikage for a few minutes Sasuke was there on his own, then Karin healing him for Danzo and he beat Danzo not even at 100%, you can stay mad at that though, cause if Kurama healed Naruto it would be acceptable right?

Sasuke vs anyone other than Kaguya, Madara, Hagoromo and Hamura get negged, Naruto is basically his only equal with the 9 Tailed beasts.

He really does fail? Let's see Naruto fighting with no Demon Fox in the real world lets see how many times he fails on top of his long list of failures. So sad that you hate a fictional character.

Nice bias as well, such intelligence much wow.

Wow using the Sharingan to realize the Doton fragments/particles of chakra inside the jutsu to end him with raiton.
Wow.
So
Much
SKill

Basic Uchiha can master this with the Sharingan, they can decipher different types of elements in jutsu, hence why they can copy them and use them at the same time or even faster. (Kakashi).

You call that a feature? Brain power? That's Uchiha common sense 101.

You skipped the Danzo question firstly, and Sasuke did not solo anyone at the SUmmit. The Raikage was about to kick ass, and only momentarily saved him because of his teammates who barged in (Juugo) and Gaara trying to reason with him. The Mizukage was about to take him but White Zetsu came in the picture. The Tschuikage didn't even give two shits about Sasuke lol.

There you go. He can beat those characters? Sure, but that doesn't mean he is as great as you think. If Sasuke was a side character Uchiha, he wouldn't be that special.

It's sad that you love a character so much you can't even see through the lies you write.

Go take away Kurama from Naruto. What do we have? A shinobi Uzumaki who could of been taught seals without his parents death. Who could of mastered the Rasengan without Jiraiya (Father could of taught him), Sage Mode, seals, and even FTG.

Naruto without Kurama is basically an OP Minato. Imagine Naruto with his parents .... that potential without Kurama huh? Get out.

Nice work, no study of the manga, such brain power.
wow.

 

[Vapid]

Says you. Got anything else to back this up? Oh wait, it's just you and your words.

Sasuke vs Deidara, tell you how he did that.

Skill, cunning, flawless superiority, Deidara had to commit suicide to have hopes of killing him. I bet if Naruto summoned Kurama and hid in its mouth nobody would even care, shit had it been Naruto half of Konoha would be at his side along with Kakashi, Sakura, Sai, Yamato, all K11 etc..

Sasuke vs Danzo? Don't you mean Sasuke vs everyone at the damn summit, aside from Suigetsu and Jugo fighting Darui and the Raikage for a few minutes Sasuke was there on his own, then Karin healing him for Danzo and he beat Danzo not even at 100%, you can stay mad at that though, cause if Kurama healed Naruto it would be acceptable right?

Sasuke vs anyone other than Kaguya, Madara, Hagoromo and Hamura get negged, Naruto is basically his only equal with the 9 Tailed beasts.

He really does fail? Let's see Naruto fighting with no Demon Fox in the real world lets see how many times he fails on top of his long list of failures. So sad that you hate a fictional character.

Nice bias as well, such intelligence much wow.

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[Stark]

Wow using the Sharingan to realize the Doton fragments/particles of chakra inside the jutsu to end him with raiton.
Wow.
So
Much
SKill

Basic Uchiha can master this with the Sharingan, they can decipher different types of elements in jutsu, hence why they can copy them and use them at the same time or even faster. (Kakashi).

You call that a feature? Brain power? That's Uchiha common sense 101.

You skipped the Danzo question firstly, and Sasuke did not solo anyone at the SUmmit. The Raikage was about to kick ass, and only momentarily saved him because of his teammates who barged in (Juugo) and Gaara trying to reason with him. The Mizukage was about to kill without Zetsu, mkay. The Tschuikage didn't even give two shits about Sasuke lol.

There you go. He can beat those characters? Sure, but that doesn't mean he is as great as you think. If Sasuke was a side character Uchiha, he wouldn't be that special.

It's sad that you love a character so much you can't even see through the lies you write.

Go take away Kurama from Naruto. What do we have? A shinobi Uzumaki who could of been taught seals without his parents death. Who could of mastered the Rasengan without Jiraiya (Father could of taught him), Sage Mode, seals, and even FTG.

Naruto without Kurama is basically an OP Minato. Imagine Naruto with his parents .... that potential without Kurama huh? Get out.
Naruto without Kurama

Nice work, no study of the manga, such brain power.
wow.

From what I skimmed, this is my response.

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You basically rewrote everything I said and put minute bias assumptions in your post, you're so smart.

 

[shelke]

Just want to throw this out there, that other than Onoki, no one took him alone, and Raikage would have been killed by Kagatsuchi spikes. Sasuke was one man, fighting several opponents at once.

 

[lndra]

Pein fight:

- Uses smoke bombs - Pein cannot see.
- Pein is handicapped at the start.
- Rinnegan cannot discern Naruto in the dark, when it can see invisible chakra, proven by the barrier incident.
- Goes into Kurama mode at just the right moment.
- Goes into SM magically after reverting back.
- Was inside CT, but when reverts back ... is standing outside.
- Pein succumbs to a damn book.

I am not even touching the fact how Ma summoned an entire platoon just so he could enter into SM again.

If this is a legit win ... then I need to laugh at this.

- His win against Kakuzu matches the pein fight.

- Without Kushina, Naruto would have lost the fight.

- Chakra he used to suppress Orochimaru was used.
- Karin didn't do anything to help him. Danzo was killed by Sasuke - the seal activates on death. He beat him how many times?
et's not state that Naruto did anything spectacular against his opponents. Didn't he win a decisive Chunin exam round ... with a fart? That's hard work right there.

Another one enters the fray. I may or may not respond to you next time due it getting rather busy so I'll make this short for you.

You listed features of the Pain fight that didn't really matter. The man who destroyed an entire village with one technique was handicapped and suddenly Naruto is blamed for that because ... of smoke bombs? Dude what are you even saying? That's how shinobi's fight in the Naruto world >-> but I don't see you complaining if Sasuke used it.

Naruto vs Pain was not a legit win, I can assure you. Though the way Naruto was winning was defintely impressive.

Kakuzu was solo'd. If Rasenshuriken didn't go out in that three second interval, mkay use your common sense.

Kushina helped Naruto, but he had no control over Kurama. It was because Hinata had to come, plot restrictions. If they continued fighting .... It would of ended differently.

- Karin informed Sasuke of Danzo's location throughout most of the battle. I didn't say he needed her, but even the plot-hawk too? Come on man.

I'm not stating Naruto is better than Sasuke or vice versa. Though can people not talk about a character reasonably without all these butthurt fanboys?
Naruto Part 1 was utter shit until Jirauya taught him. Everyone knows this, are you still in the past? Can't even talk about current Naruto? Dude what?

 

[lndra]

From what I skimmed, this is my response.

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You basically rewrote everything I said and put minute bias assumptions in your post, you're so smart.

You couldn't even debate about the character and your posts were the same (Not to mention you couldn't even answer my questions from before). Yet you are putting this on me? Hmm... You should go back to your Lord Itachi. Even Vapid knows how to correctly continue a conversation about characters, even if it doesn't make sense half the time. Good job for effort though.

Just want to throw this out there, that other than Onoki, no one took him alone, and Raikage would have been killed by Kagatsuchi spikes. He was one man, fighting several opponents at once.

Agreed. Though I believe the Raikage could of easily taken him down with his fastest speed that only Minato/Naruto surpassed.

I don't really like Susano'o either ...For me its a giant plot armor for Uchiha's who could do something more. Imo, though.

 

[shelke]

Another one enters the fray. I may or may not respond to you next time due it getting rather busy so I'll make this short for you.

You listed features of the Pain fight that didn't really matter. The man who destroyed an entire village with one technique was handicapped and suddenly Naruto is blamed for that because ... of smoke bombs? Dude what are you even saying? That's how shinobi's fight in the Naruto world >-> but I don't see you complaining if Sasuke used it.

Naruto vs Pain was not a legit win, I can assure you. Though the way Naruto was winning was defintely impressive.

Kakuzu was solo'd. If Rasenshuriken didn't go out in that three second interval, mkay use your common sense.

Kushina helped Naruto, but he had no control over Kurama. It was because Hinata had to come, plot restrictions. If they continued fighting .... It would of ended differently.

- Karin informed Sasuke of Danzo's location throughout most of the battle. I didn't say he needed her, but even the plot-hawk too? Come on man.

I'm not stating Naruto is better than Sasuke or vice versa. Though can people not talk about a character reasonably without all these butthurt fanboys?
Naruto Part 1 was utter shit until Jirauya taught him. Everyone knows this, are you still in the past? Can't even talk about current Naruto? Dude what?

This is hardly a fray, and I am merely pointing your own selective 'he won because of plot' right back at you. See how it works? No, smoke bombs cannot hinder Rinnegan's vision. Whereas, they did. Remember how Jiraiya created a smoke cloud and Rinnegan saw right through it? Because it can. Only Chakra based mist hinders Ocular vision, and funnily, this gave Naruto a decisive advantage. Smoke bombs don't use chakra.

Kakuzu was not a legit win either, since we are being picky. Not only was he backed by a mini platoon, but Kakuzu falling for that last attack was nearly nauseating.

Kushina helped in more ways than you can imagine. She purified the chakra he pulled out earlier from Kurama, allowing him to use mass number of clones and defeat him.

You mean within the battle? Sasuke was using hefty abilities right from the start. Obito thought he was being a fool, but later we learn that Sasuke had his whole technique figured out. Karin didn't help much other than heal him a little at the end, but by then, he was already bleeding out. Sasuke just finished him off quicker. He has two summons. Why is it such a big deal?

And I am not asking you to agree with me. Just don't say that one won because of plot and other had such legit wins, when Naruto's wins are preposterous most of the times. I know he was shit, but I am telling you how he won the fight. Sasuke and others won with work and strategy. Can you say the same for Naruto? I mean, come on. I see him wining because of divine grace's intervention many times, and it's not all that improbable, as almost all authors in heroic genre use such elements, plotholes not withstanding.

 

[shelke]

You couldn't even debate about the character and your posts were the same (Not to mention you couldn't even answer my questions from before). Yet you are putting this on me? Hmm... You should go back to your Lord Itachi. Even Vapid knows how to correctly continue a conversation about characters, even if it doesn't make sense half the time. Good job for effort though.


Agreed. Though I believe the Raikage could of easily taken him down with his fastest speed that only Minato/Naruto surpassed.

I don't really like Susano'o either ...For me its a giant plot armor for Uchiha's who could do something more. Imo, though.

Raikage couldn't have taken him out as the shift to V2 needs time, and a lot of chakra - bijuu level chakra. He did exactly what any intelligent guy could have done, go on the defense mode and wait till it wears out.

If you ask my personal opinion then take out Susano'o and tailed beasts and this manga would be perfect. Both of these things ruined this manga.

 

[lndra]

This is hardly a fray, and I am merely pointing your own selective 'he won because of plot' right back at you. See how it works? No, smoke bombs cannot hinder Rinnegan's vision. Whereas, they did. Remember how Jiraiya created a smoke cloud and Rinnegan saw right through it? Because it can. Only Chakra based mist hinders Ocular vision, and funnily, this gave Naruto a decisive advantage. Smoke bombs don't use chakra.

Kakuzu was not a legit win either, since we are being picky. Not only was he backed by a mini platoon, but Kakuzu falling for that last attack was nearly nauseating.

Kushina helped in more ways than you can imagine. She purified the chakra he pulled out earlier from Kurama, allowing him to use mass number of clones and defeat him.

You mean within the battle? Sasuke was using hefty abilities right from the start. Obito thought he was being a fool, but later we learn that Sasuke had his whole technique figured out. Karin didn't help much other than heal him a little at the end, but by then, he was already bleeding out. Sasuke just finished him off quicker. He has two summons. Why is it such a big deal?

And I am not asking you to agree with me. Just don't say that one won because of plot and other had such legit wins, when Naruto's wins are preposterous most of the times. I know he was shit, but I am telling you how he won the fight. Sasuke and others won with work and strategy. Can you say the same for Naruto? I mean, come on. I see him wining because of divine grace's intervention many times, and it's not all that improbable, as almost all authors in heroic genre use such elements, plotholes not withstanding.

No you are entering a fray. If you didn't understand the meaning, don't respond. I'll explain it to you though: To become involved in an argument or a fight. What are you doing? Arguing with me, commenting about the "argument".

- Kakuzu was a legit one. The mini platoon was sitting on the side lines watching. I don't even know where you are going with it nor do I care for your sense of cognizance.

Why are you still talking about Kushina? If you really believe Naruto couldn't do that himself, then you are missing the main component of what Naruto's specialities are.

No Sasuke was using his abilities without thinking. Of course he isn't stupid, but he could of easily defeated Danzo with simplier techniques without wasting chakra.
You could even see Sasuke becoming less like himself once Kakashi arrived.

Your saying the same thing but I'm answering the same way. No changes, and I don't even remember how this started. I've been here way too long mate lol.

 

[lndra]

Raikage couldn't have taken him out as the shift to V2 needs time, and a lot of chakra - bijuu level chakra. He did exactly what any intelligent guy could have done, go on the defense mode and wait till it wears out.

If you ask my personal opinion then take out Susano'o and tailed beasts and this manga would be perfect. Both of these things ruined this manga.

That doesn't change the fact that the Raikage could of easily moved and switched to an offensive position when Amaterasu become apparent without trying to show his 'power' in a sense. He was acting too rash aswell.

I wish the Kyuubi was the only "monster" sometimes, because I like the plot the "kyuubi" was. The other tailed beasts and Susano'o, sure.

Without everything you said ... The anime defintely would have been better, no doubt about it.

 

[shelke]

No you are entering a fray. If you didn't understand the meaning, don't respond. I'll explain it to you though: To become involved in an argument or a fight. What are you doing? Arguing with me, commenting about the "argument".

- Kakuzu was a legit one. The mini platoon was sitting on the side lines watching. I don't even know where you are going with it nor do I care for your sense of cognizance.

Why are you still talking about Kushina? If you really believe Naruto couldn't do that himself, then you are missing the main component of what Naruto's specialities are.

No Sasuke was using his abilities without thinking. Of course he isn't stupid, but he could of easily defeated Danzo with simplier techniques without wasting chakra.
You could even see Sasuke becoming less like himself once Kakashi arrived.

Your saying the same thing but I'm answering the same way. No changes, and I don't even remember how this started. I've been here way too long mate lol.

I know what fray means. This is just a manga discussion. Lol

I didn't think it was, as Kakashi already took out a heart right at the start. Even that was helpful.

No. I told you, she purified the chakra he pulled out, which he ended up using in the fight. Without purification, he would have been taken over and killed.

He had a strategy. Obito confirms it, so, the manga confirms it.He wanted Obito to waste chakra, by going out hard and fast. It worked.

Yes, this argument is going around in circles.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Haku - But then again, he was protecting Naruto.

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Sasuke had already KOed his ass, but ran like little you know what but I can't stay it because of censorship:

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Everyone who manage to get the best of Sasuke, Sasuke came back so bad we forgot he even soloed by these fodders. Especially, Madara, lol.

Gaara left because Temari and Kankorou took him away and he was told not to use Shukaku power until the signal was given. When Sasuke met up with Gaara again and they fought Gaara took Sasuke down and Naruto had to stop Gaara from doing the final blow. Seems you forgot where Obito told Sasuke Itachi could have killed him if he wanted to so Sasuke wasn't redeem in losing to Itachi, since he won the fight but didn't beat Itachi. Sasuke was fighting 4 to 1 and Bee soloed Sasuke while not being serious; so had Karin and Juugo not heal Sasuke he would have been killed 2 different times then without Suigetsu using the body of water to take the majority of Bee's tbb Sasuke would have been dead a third time so wouldn't be able to use Amaterasu plus he only used it after feeling like he was in a team hence not soloing.

Considering JJ Madara was heavily nerfed and could have soloed both Naruto and Sasuke with 1 eye with what all 3 of them shown yet didn't doesnt make this a good example. Madara wasn't using any jutsus he shown to have from Edo Madara or alive Madara and he doesn't just lose his old jutsus when he gain new powers or else that means Sasuke and Naruto forgot all jutsus we seen them use in the past. Considering Madara showed he can make 25 clones that can use his jutsus, each clone can use limbo. He didn't use Susanoo to block Sasuke slash when he showed usibg Susanoo with 1 eye to block Tobirama water needles pre-JJ. Didn't use Deva path either or Shunshin or his TSB and he seen Sasuke and had time to react as he is shown thinking as Sasuke was coming and he shown being able to react faster than he can think.

 

[Stark]

"Fray" lml, I'm not gonna waste my time with you, you think writing long paragraphs of irrelevant shit will prove a point, you're repetitive and bias. Your name is Indra and you're telling me to go back to my "Lord Itachi", shouldn't you be preparing your sponge sword for real life role play?

My boy Shelke has time for you I don't, I'll let him handle you you're a joke.

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[lndra]

"Fray" lml, I'm not gonna waste my time with you, you think writing long paragraphs of irrelevant shit will prove a point, you're repetitive and bias. Your name is Indra and you're telling me to go back to my "Lord Itachi", shouldn't you be preparing your sponge sword for real life role play?

My boy Shelke has time for you I don't, I'll let him handle you you're a joke.

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The only joke here is your education. My God.
I have not seen so much unintelligence in one post before, and I'm guessing you are above 20+ and here you are debating with someone who is probably younger than you. Set the example.

@Bias Says the guy who only reps Itachi. I represent each character, I feel as if fanbases are a bunch of trolls. At least on here anyway.
@Irrelevent Every single post you commented while quoting me was irrelevent. You couldn't even make a post without repeating yourself, three times. I can re-quote you if you'd like. Though amma let go off. Cause you obviously ain't much without anyone by your side ~

 

[SSStylish]

Gaara left because Temari and Kankorou took him away and he was told not to use Shukaku power until the signal was given. When Sasuke met up with Gaara again and they fought Gaara took Sasuke down and Naruto had to stop Gaara from doing the final blow.

I know right? And yet Gaara tryed to use it.

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And yeah, I doubt that Gaara had a choice. He went unconscious and Sasuke could've killed him therefore. As you see, Sasuke beat his ass and hindered him to use Shukaku.

 

[Vapid]

Snip.

@OP/Solo: Sasuke wasn't solo'd to begin with. You do remember that it was a 2v1, right? It was Sasuke vs Kurama and Naruto. Even if he did lose the battle, it wouldn't have been a solo, as Kurama had assistance from Naruto.

 

[xxSAGExx]

I know right? And yet Gaara tryed to use it.

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And yeah, I doubt that Gaara had a choice. He went unconscious and Sasuke could've killed him therefore. As you see, Sasuke beat his ass and hindered him to use Shukaku.

Yeah and what was he doing while trying to transform? He was busy talking to his "mom" as he thought Shukaku was his mom

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. Talking about Sasuke killing Gaara? Sasuke freaked out when he heard Gaara yelling about his blood

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. Gaara never bled so it freaked him out but that's also due to his mental instability from Shukaku's influence and him not sleeping at all.

Right after Sasuke used chidori Kabuto started his genjutsu

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. Sasuke was shakened from injuring Gaara plus from seeing Shukaku's eyes

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. Then Kabuto's genjutsu caused the invasion to start

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. Gaara was still concious but he couldn't go full Shukaku so their team leader said to take him until he can transform

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If no one interffered then Sasuke wouldn't just go in and Attack, he actually stood there looking at Gaara before the invasion took affect and Gaara's sand still defenses him against attacks and Sasuke suffers from moving at full speed due to the amount of stamina it takes

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. So what would Sasuke do? Use his speed to try and use taijutsu? Sand armor would take most of that damage and when Sasuke needs to stop then what? It would block katon jutsus and Sasuke isn't going to go for a killing blow going with his reaction to Gaara being injured so when Gaara is back to fighting stability he'll start using Shukaku's power

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