Is Pain even in the top 10 anymore?
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It was a pretty stupid argument to say the Paths are stronger when its a known fact that each of the paths suffered a huge weakness of only being able to use one ability, as for the Edo argument it did nothing for him it didn't even make him mobile or return him to his red hair state meaning that alive Nagato is capable of everything the edo counterpart can do.
KingHashirama
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Though it can be stated Nagato had a huge weakness of only having 2 eyes instead of 12.. =]. There are loses and takes on both sides.
Nagato = stronger techniques
Pain = strength in numbers and combos, Mental f*ckery done to the opponent.
Yes he does have a Tactical advantage with paths as how he defeated Jiraiya but the biggest drawback is that the most important path doesn't have any fighting capabilities and the others always have to be protecting him.
Yeah, it took me a minute to come with an adequate adaptation, lol.
The manga says that Mystic Buu (Super Buu with Mystic Gohan absorbed aka Buuhan) was the strongest Buu IIRC. And didn't it say that two fused beings are always stronger than one, hence why Goku wanted to fuse with Gohan initially and then with Vegeta?
But it's been a while since I've partaken of DBZ. You could be right.
KingHashirama
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The most important path can't fight? You mean Deva path?
With Pain Nagato doesn't have to use his high caliber techniques like Chibaku tensei. In fact he has better options.
Plus to be honest, Naruto would've been dominated by Pain if the toads weren't there.
Hmm, only part i remember regarding who the stronger one is that the Kai reffered to Kid Buu being the more dangerous one. And in DBZ isn't it logical to assume dangerous one = stronger one?
Because in the end DBZ is about pure fighting and powerlevel. How can he be more dangerous if he doesn't have the power.
Nah, not really. Kishimoto portrayed Nagato and Itachi as equals and they both have techniques in their arsenals that the other cannot take out. Itachi also knew the secret, so that's not really helping either.
As people said, Nagato is top 10 but Painis iffy.
Pain has more tactical advantages due to being controlled from an outer path, numbers and diversions so it was more fitting for infiltrating and multitasking from different locations, afterall his main purpose was learning where Naruto is, so it would be a lot more handy than trying to use shinra Tensei and obtaining intel from the same people.
Pain has more tactical advantages due to being controlled from an outer path, numbers and diversions so it was more fitting for infiltrating and multitasking from different locations, afterall his main purpose was learning where Naruto is, so it would be a lot more handy than trying to use shinra Tensei and obtaining intel from the same people.
XxLapizxLazulixX
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Kid Buu was NOT the strongest, Super Buu after absorbing Gohan was the strongest Buu. At supersayain 2 Goku was putting up a decent fight and was even with Kid Buu. Whereas SuperBuu Stomped Super Sayain 3 Goku no diff. Only reason Kid Buu was so dangerous was because he was unpredictable, crazy, spontaneous, and was far more destructive.
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Wiki states that Nagato was Kabuto second most powerful edo Tensei warrior next to Madara.
and we have this.
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blackstar9
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Sabuto Hayashi
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Pain is not Top 10, but Nagato definitely is.
The problem with Pain and the Six Paths is that their abilities are divided amongst each other. Whilst they do have the advantage in numbers and looking in multiple directions at once, some of the paths lack offensive capabilities other than taijutsu. Also, destroying or removing the transmitters is enough to disable a Path and render their ability useless.
On the other hand, Nagato is capable of using all the abilities at once which makes him nearly unstoppable against most characters. The weaknesses/disadvantages that the Paths suffered from becomes non-existent in that case.
The problem with Pain and the Six Paths is that their abilities are divided amongst each other. Whilst they do have the advantage in numbers and looking in multiple directions at once, some of the paths lack offensive capabilities other than taijutsu. Also, destroying or removing the transmitters is enough to disable a Path and render their ability useless.
On the other hand, Nagato is capable of using all the abilities at once which makes him nearly unstoppable against most characters. The weaknesses/disadvantages that the Paths suffered from becomes non-existent in that case.
Shadow Phantasm
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SSJ3 Goku was able to fight evenly with Kid Buu and could've destroyed him if he wanted to.However Ultimate Buu curbstombed both Goku and Vegeta,so Kid Buu is only more psychotic and unrestrained than Ultimate Buu.
Sennin of Logic
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Nagato's definitely top 10. I think Pain is as well. Let's not forget that they're a virtually invincible combo. Shared vision, Deva path effects enemy advances. Asura path's weapons are powerful. Summons help. Preta path is a great ninjutus defense. Human path's useless granted. Then there's the reviving Pain that can keep things going. It really is an overpowered combo. That being said, Minato and Tobirama would solo.
TheAncientCenturion
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Honestly, if characters such as Itachi are still in the top ten then I don't see why Pein wouldn't.
Nagato is there, so you have to consider Pain to always be relevant. In some cases more so, its not always about power and strength, having several different individuals to spread your abilities around is more effective. No mater how effective Nagato is by himself he is just one person.
