Is Pain even in the top 10 anymore?

[RamenNoodleSolos]

Yeah you're right! At this point he's ranked lower than Tenten!

 

[Xlad]

Nagato is in the top ten. Pein in the top 15.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

Never was rofl.



Kabuto making Nagato into a killing machine while utilizing the full power of the rinnegan > Nagato himself.

Kabuto made the best of Nagato. Oh on top of that Edo Nagato >> Living "prime" nagato.

Slap yourself. He made Nagato sit there most of the time cuz he was listening in on their conversation. Then when he made Nagato attack, he was pretty much going agro. If Nagato were in control of his own body, he would have thought of different strategies. He felt amaterasu's pressure, he could have used preta path to absorb it.

 

[KingHashirama]

Seeing as how Naruto commented that Nagato's techs were on another level when he used it, no Pein is not stronger than Nagato himself. Pein was a better choice because even if he did heal himself, he wouldn't have been able to walk, and that's what contributed to him getting sealed by Itachi. By using the Six Paths of Pein, he didn't have to worry about his hindered mobility impeding him, and he had an advantage of greater numbers on enemies.

Also, SM Naruto was able to beat every Pein but Deva, and Nagato by himself overwhelmed KM Naruto with Asura, Preta, Human and Animal paths, all paths Naruto were able to defeat in the form of Pein. Nagato didn't even use the Path that actually beat SM Naruto against KM Naruto but once, and he beat him.
Nagato is stronger himself than Pein is, but Pein is just more tactful to be used.

-sigh-.

1. He was edo tensei.

2. Strong techniques=/= strong opponent

I already told you it doesn't matter if he had stronger techniques.. That fact of the matter, he chose to go wit the paths, instead of trying to heal himself. Because to him paths were the better choice. So unless some of us here know more about Pain than Nagato, i suggest we stop making a hypothetical scenario and trying to put him in top 10s by using Edo tensei feats.. Thank you very much good sir.

Naruto didn't go all out yo.... On top of that matter it was a rush fight. Nagato on the other hand was in a killer mode.. something superior to himself.

So why would you even use that to justify Nagato being superior to the pains?

Pains are a more dangerous opponent, that is point. Strength in numbers.

And this ain't even the matter, in fact Pain will cause more mental damage also. Not only do you have to focus on 6 people who are easily Kakashi + level, but figure out why they never die.

Take out the information, Pain >> Nagato.

Slap yourself. He made Nagato sit there most of the time cuz he was listening in on their conversation. Then when he made Nagato attack, he was pretty much going agro. If Nagato were in control of his own body, he would have thought of different strategies. He felt amaterasu's pressure, he could have used preta path to absorb it.

Don't tell me to slap myself, when you fail to realize Kabuto made the best of Nagato. And "he mad Nagato sit there". Yea cause i'm surely counting that right? I'm over talking about when he was fighting.. rofl. When you can provide me with Nagato using the techniques that continuously himself.. you ain't getting my agreement ever yo. I'm just saying.

 

[Salad]

U should know, Sasuke Uchiha, your namesake is Omniscient after all. UchihaInza

 

[Tobi98]

Nagato is Top 10 and close to Top 5 tho

 

[Punk Hazard]

-sigh-.

1. He was edo tensei.

2. Strong techniques=/= strong opponent

I already told you it doesn't matter if he had stronger techniques.. That fact of the matter, he chose to go wit the paths, instead of trying to heal himself. Because to him paths were the better choice. So unless some of us here know more about Pain than Nagato, i suggest we stop making a hypothetical scenario and trying to put him in top 10s by using Edo tensei feats.. Thank you very much good sir.

Naruto didn't go all out yo.... On top of that matter it was a rush fight. Nagato on the other hand was in a killer mode.. something superior to himself.

So why would you even use that to justify Nagato being superior to the pains?

Pains are a more dangerous opponent, that is point. Strength in numbers.

What does Nagato being Edo have to do with it? The only time Nagato actually benefited from being Edo was after Itachi knocked off a couple of his Asura Path arms and they regenerated. He didn't regenerate from anything else, his chakra levels are already on a monster level, and it didn't revive his youth or give him the ability to walk, so being Edo did essentially nothing for Nagato. Being under Edo control actually hindered Nagato since it was Kabuto's control that caused him to be sealed and not fight at his best. Edo even reduces the summoned's powers at times, as noted by Tobirama's statements upon being revived, and that in part 1. the two Hokage weren't nowhere near their true power. And before you say that Kabuto summons them stronger than Oro, no, he just binds them better.

Are you stupid? Nagato and Pein uses the exact same techniques, so yes, if they are stronger coming out of Nagato's body, that means he's stronger, he has more power than them.

Being more dangerous does not mean stronger.

My explanation for why Nagato just used the Six Paths instead of reviving his youth, which is that he can't walk, is just as good as an explanation as yours as to why he did, so stop using the fact that Nagato didn't revive his youth as an argument, as it pretty much just cancels out with mine and makes you redundant.

How do you know Naruto wasn't going all out or fighting seriously? You really think Naruto is stupid enough to not fight seriously against the man that was capable of destroying an entire village with an inferior body in one shot?

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

Don't tell me to slap myself, when you fail to realize Kabuto made the best of Nagato. And "he mad Nagato sit there". Yea cause i'm surely counting that right? I'm over talking about when he was fighting.. rofl. When you can provide me with Nagato using the techniques that continuously himself.. you ain't getting my agreement ever yo. I'm just saying.

If you honestly think that Kabuto can revive someone, and have them fight better than the person themselves can, you should slap yourself, not once, not twice, but thrice, with a hot frying pan.

All he did was take advantage of the fact that they couldnt die.
Knowing Nagato, he would have used his summons differently, and would have used his paths differently than Kabuto would have.

Also, Nagato himself is more powerful than the paths of pain, however, they have mobility and are quite fast. Reason why Nagato didnt infiltrate Konoha on his own, because he would have been serverly outnumbered, where as, with paths, he could attack from different locations. 1 path = several ninja.

 

[Sageflash]

If you honestly think that Kabuto can revive someone, and have them fight better than the person themselves can, you should slap yourself, not once, not twice, but thrice, with a hot frying pan.

All he did was take advantage of the fact that they couldnt die.
Knowing Nagato, he would have used his summons differently, and would have used his paths differently than Kabuto would have.

Lol'd.

But seriously, Naruto stated that Nagato was stronger when he wasn't using the Pain bodies. I'm not sure how this is debatable when it has been cemented in canon.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Lol'd.

But seriously, Naruto stated that Nagato was stronger when he wasn't using the Pain bodies. I'm not sure how this is debatable when it has been cemented in canon.

KingHashirama's problem is that he isn't differentiating between more effective(Pein), and stronger(Nagato).

 

[Made in Heaven]

Nagato can be beaten by Sakura , according to some people XD

 

[KingHashirama]

What does Nagato being Edo have to do with it? The only time Nagato actually benefited from being Edo was after Itachi knocked off a couple of his Asura Path arms and they regenerated. He didn't regenerate from anything else, his chakra levels are already on a monster level, and it didn't revive his youth or give him the ability to walk, so being Edo did essentially nothing for Nagato. Being under Edo control actually hindered Nagato since it was Kabuto's control that caused him to be sealed and not fight at his best. Edo even reduces the summoned's powers at times, as noted by Tobirama's statements upon being revived, and that in part 1. the two Hokage weren't nowhere near their true power. And before you say that Kabuto summons them stronger than Oro, no, he just binds them better.

Are you stupid? Nagato and Pein uses the exact same techniques, so yes, if they are stronger coming out of Nagato's body, that means he's stronger, he has more power than them.

Being more dangerous does not mean stronger.

My explanation for why Nagato just used the Six Paths instead of reviving his youth, which is that he can't walk, is just as good as an explanation as yours as to why he did, so stop using the fact that Nagato didn't revive his youth as an argument, as it pretty much just cancels out with mine and makes you redundant.

How do you know Naruto wasn't going all out or fighting seriously? You really think Naruto is stupid enough to not fight seriously against the man that was capable of destroying an entire village with an inferior body in one shot?

1. No strain on the body. Rinnegan does put a whole lot of strain on the body. Something people obviously like to over look. Not only that the strain from the movement. Chakra is not only lost when you use jutsus, but when you get physically damaged. No sadly, Kabuto brings out the true powers of the users. Unless you can provide me where it says they weren't revived at full power by Kabuto either. Kabuto > Orochimaru when it comes to Edo tensei. There are only 2 Edos who haven't been revived at full power and thats the Senju bros.. both of the times.

2. Sadly no, that simply means he focuses his powers. Combinations can beat power.. just to let you know.

3. In a fight dangerous opponent = Strong opponent. Letting you know right now. If someone is more dangerous then they are the stronger opponent. Whether if they other guy might be stronger than you in physical strength or faster than you speed.. However, if he ain't dangerous to you, then he ain't stronger.

4. Yours doesn't cancel mines out.. if you believe it does , then i suggest trying to connect it with a time frame. You claim because he couldn't walk. I stated instead of getting himself fixed he used the Pains instead. Big difference mate. Your argument is already included in mines..

5. How do i know? Because i read the manga. And know the difference between Naruto going all out, and trying to figure out what the hell was going on..

If you honestly think that Kabuto can revive someone, and have them fight better than the person themselves can, you should slap yourself, not once, not twice, but thrice, with a hot frying pan.

All he did was take advantage of the fact that they couldnt die.
Knowing Nagato, he would have used his summons differently, and would have used his paths differently than Kabuto would have.

Also, Nagato himself is more powerful than the paths of pain, however, they have mobility and are quite fast. Reason why Nagato didnt infiltrate Konoha on his own, because he would have been serverly outnumbered, where as, with paths, he could attack from different locations. 1 path = several ninja.

1. For Nagato is 100% applicable. And since you like telling others to slap themselves with stuff because they don't agree with you , then might as well hit yourself with a car for all i care now.

2. No he made them into killers, who didn't have any "back thought" behind them to restrain them. Tell me what Nagato would've done different.

3. Nagato himself has stronger techniques.. -sigh-. And you just proved my point with the bold.. thank you very much.

Strength in Numbers.

If 6POP and Nagato were to fight, 6 POP would be the winners, simply because they have the ability to do combos and counter. Not only that pose a more danger to Nagato.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

1. No strain on the body. Rinnegan does put a whole lot of strain on the body. Something people obviously like to over look. Not only that the strain from the movement. Chakra is not only lost when you use jutsus, but when you get physically damaged. No sadly, Kabuto brings out the true powers of the users. Unless you can provide me where it says they weren't revived at full power by Kabuto either. Kabuto > Orochimaru when it comes to Edo tensei. There are only 2 Edos who haven't been revived at full power and thats the Senju bros.. both of the times.

2. Sadly no, that simply means he focuses his powers. Combinations can beat power.. just to let you know.

3. In a fight dangerous opponent = Strong opponent. Letting you know right now. If someone is more dangerous then they are the stronger opponent. Whether if they other guy might be stronger than you in physical strength or faster than you speed.. However, if he ain't dangerous to you, then he ain't stronger.

4. Yours doesn't cancel mines out.. if you believe it does , then i suggest trying to connect it with a time frame. You claim because he couldn't walk. I stated instead of getting himself fixed he used the Pains instead. Big difference mate. Your argument is already included in mines..

5. How do i know? Because i read the manga. And know the difference between Naruto going all out, and trying to figure out what the hell was going on..




1. For Nagato is 100% applicable. And since you like telling others to slap themselves with stuff because they don't agree with you , then might as well hit yourself with a car for all i care now.

2. No he made them into killers, who didn't have any "back thought" behind them to restrain them. Tell me what Nagato would've done different.

3. Nagato himself has stronger techniques.. -sigh-. And you just proved my point with the bold.. thank you very much.

Strength in Numbers.

If 6POP and Nagato were to fight, 6 POP would be the winners, simply because they have the ability to do combos and counter. Not only that pose a more danger to Nagato.

1. How can I hit myself with a car? Explain.
2. All Nagato has to do is stop giving them chakra, they will return to being lifeless bodies, Nagato wins -neg diff
3. Nagato would have absorbed Amaterasu, he would have summoned his other animals, he would have used his chakra rods, there is alot more Nagato would have done if he were in control, if you think he would have done LESS then slap yourself once more.

 

[Meee]

Naruto? Nah
Minato? Nah
Muu? Nah

Itachi, Kakashi and Gai are debatable, Nagato is Top 5 imo

 

[Punk Hazard]

1. No strain on the body. Rinnegan does put a whole lot of strain on the body. Something people obviously like to over look. Not only that the strain from the movement. Chakra is not only lost when you use jutsus, but when you get physically damaged. No sadly, Kabuto brings out the true powers of the users. Unless you can provide me where it says they weren't revived at full power by Kabuto either. Kabuto > Orochimaru when it comes to Edo tensei. There are only 2 Edos who haven't been revived at full power and thats the Senju bros.. both of the times.

2. Sadly no, that simply means he focuses his powers. Combinations can beat power.. just to let you know.

3. In a fight dangerous opponent = Strong opponent. Letting you know right now. If someone is more dangerous then they are the stronger opponent. Whether if they other guy might be stronger than you in physical strength or faster than you speed.. However, if he ain't dangerous to you, then he ain't stronger.

4. Yours doesn't cancel mines out.. if you believe it does , then i suggest trying to connect it with a time frame. You claim because he couldn't walk. I stated instead of getting himself fixed he used the Pains instead. Big difference mate. Your argument is already included in mines..

5. How do i know? Because i read the manga. And know the difference between Naruto going all out, and trying to figure out what the hell was going on..
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1. Ah, but Edo bodies do feel strain, seeing as how the 2nd Mizukage was seen panting after using Joki Boy and it was stated that the technique takes a lot out of him.

2. This pretty much trumps anything you can say: Naruto stated that Nagato was on another level than Pein. Nagato's combo of Human Path, Asura Path, Animal Path, and Preta Path overwhelmed both KM Naruto and Killer Bee despite their strength in numbers, while SM Naruto got through Pein's combos of all but one path. Nagato didn't even need the Path that he needed to defeat SM Naruto to overwhelm him in a stronger form, so how can you call Nagato weaker than his Peins?

 

[Sageflash]

In a fight dangerous opponent = Strong opponent. Letting you know right now. If someone is more dangerous then they are the stronger opponent. Whether if they other guy might be stronger than you in physical strength or faster than you speed.. However, if he ain't dangerous to you, then he ain't stronger

That's not necessarily true. Kid Buu was twice as dangerous as Buuhan, but he wasn't nearly as strong. Kid Buu was a reckless, unpredictable opponent who fought erratically with no regard for collateral damage and the like which would impede the fight and pose a risk to himself as well as Goku. But, again, he didn't have the strength that Buuhan did in any area.

That's just an example, but it can hold true anywhere. 6POP, as said, is a more dangerous opponent as they can attack from any direction at once, utilize distractions and misdirection while working in tandem to support other bodies, etc things that a singular opponent can't do. However, Nagato is an all around stronger entity than the 6POP. His techniques are much stronger as Naruto stated, the one reliable source we have on this seeing as how he's the only to have fought both 6POP and Nagato.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. Ah, but Edo bodies do feel strain, seeing as how the 2nd Mizukage was seen panting after using Joki Boy and it was stated that the technique takes a lot out of him.

2. This pretty much trumps anything you can say: Naruto stated that Nagato was on another level than Pein. Nagato's combo of Human Path, Asura Path, Animal Path, and Preta Path overwhelmed both KM Naruto and Killer Bee despite their strength in numbers, while SM Naruto got through Pein's combos of all but one path. Nagato didn't even need the Path that he needed to defeat SM Naruto to overwhelm him in a stronger form, so how can you call Nagato weaker than his Peins?

1. Physical strain mate, not strain related to chakra. Strain caused by getting hurt. Which the edos are immune to.

2. Naruto mentions his techniques being superior to the pains, since Nagato was able to now focus them. And only happened by NAruto and Killer B started to rush in, and were caught by surprise. I'm sure even you can see Naruto was in a hurry.. He got through Pain's combo with the help of about uh lets see 3 big toads, 2 sage toads..


"his pains"?? Nagato is Pain... There is no difference. Nagato himself is the 7th member of the pains.. You don't defeat Pain until you defeat Nagato that is in the bed. Nagato using the pains is 2 times dangerous than Nagato himself.

That's not necessarily true. Kid Buu was twice as dangerous as Buuhan, but he wasn't nearly as strong. Kid Buu was a reckless, unpredictable opponent who fought erratically with no regard for collateral damage and the like which would impede the fight and pose a risk to himself as well as Goku. But, again, he didn't have the strength that Buuhan did in any area.

That's just an example, but it can hold true anywhere. 6POP, as said, is a more dangerous opponent as they can attack from any direction at once, utilize distractions and misdirection while working in tandem to support other bodies, etc things that a singular opponent can't do. However, Nagato is an all around stronger entity than the 6POP. His techniques are much stronger as Naruto stated, the one reliable source we have on this seeing as how he's the only to have fought both 6POP and Nagato.

Kid Buu is the strongest mate. He is the original Buu. only the original Buu is galaxy buster.

Since you watch DBZ yourself. You should already know the DBZ law of fights and arcs. Strongest village = Last villain. Buuhan was simply a step along the way to get to Kid Buu.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's not necessarily true. Kid Buu was twice as dangerous as Buuhan, but he wasn't nearly as strong. Kid Buu was a reckless, unpredictable opponent who fought erratically with no regard for collateral damage and the like which would impede the fight and pose a risk to himself as well as Goku. But, again, he didn't have the strength that Buuhan did in any area.

That's just an example, but it can hold true anywhere. 6POP, as said, is a more dangerous opponent as they can attack from any direction at once, utilize distractions and misdirection while working in tandem to support other bodies, etc things that a singular opponent can't do. However, Nagato is an all around stronger entity than the 6POP. His techniques are much stronger as Naruto stated, the one reliable source we have on this seeing as how he's the only to have fought both 6POP and Nagato.

This guy is pretty much on-point. I also thought of the Kid Buu-Ultimate Buu thing, but didn't use it as using a different series may too far of a stretch, but your explanation made it work.

 

[BraveStorm]

Guys please give some reasons you think Pain or even Nagato would beat one of the people from my list.

Mate, 6POP DESTROYS Itachi. Like seriously, i think 6PoP with hidden secret is still top 5.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

1. Physical strain mate, not strain related to chakra. Strain caused by getting hurt. Which the edos are immune to.

2. Naruto mentions his techniques being superior to the pains, since Nagato was able to now focus them. And only happened by NAruto and Killer B started to rush in, and were caught by surprise. I'm sure even you can see Naruto was in a hurry.. He got through Pain's combo with the help of about uh lets see 3 big toads, 2 sage toads..


"his pains"?? Nagato is Pain... There is no difference. Nagato himself is the 7th member of the pains.. You don't defeat Pain until you defeat Nagato that is in the bed. Nagato using the pains is 2 times dangerous than Nagato himself.


Kid Buu is the strongest mate. He is the original Buu. only the original Buu is galaxy buster.

Since you watch DBZ yourself. You should already know the DBZ law of fights and arcs. Strongest village = Last villain. Buuhan was simply a step along the way to get to Kid Buu.

Nagato would have soloed Bee and Naruto no diff hadnt it been for Itachi saving them