Is Madara really more talented than Itachi

[salamander uchiha]

When did you become such a hater? Madara can be your favorite without attempting to shit on every one else.

There's no hate it was meant to be demonstrate the answer is blatantly obvious, it's as stupid as somebody asking the question I did. If somebody answers yes to the obvious question then it's yes for Madara being more talented.

On topic. The Uchiha are just plain talent.. it’s who they are.
Madara became show true skill at a young so he can live and survive war.
Itachi was the same, but his skill was shown trying to protect the leaf.
Sasuke and Obito was shown after they had an agenda.
In a three year span Sasuke went from being a gennin level to being on Kakashi level all because of his goal.. the same as Obito

I agree.

 

[Eos]

What you said simply doesn't make sense. "Ambition" "innate talent" "understanding" "relatively more quiet period" and all those garbage buzz words you like to use....as if they got anything to do with who is more talented. Make a sane argument for once.

Garbage Buzz? If my reply didn't make sense to you then I don't know what to tell you. Other people seemed to read it just fine. Just in case:

1) Innate Talent
Innate - inborn, natural
"Innate Talent" only means "Natural Talent"

2) Ambition
Ambition - A strong desire to do or achieve something, typically requiring hard work and determination
Ambition turns to talent given one has the determination to acquire it.
In my opinion, Madara had more ambition than Itachi. You can have two equally talented people but the one with more ambition is going to go farther. Not a hard concept.

3) Understanding
Understanding - the ability to understand something, comprehension
Easily understanding anything in a certain area can equate to talent.
In the way I phrased it, "understanding" it would imply comprehending it on a deeper level like Mozart understood music and Einstein understood physics.

4)Relatively more quiet period
Not sure how to break this one down any more. A time with less war? Which was already implied by the previous sentence.

It had everything to do with who I thought was more talented. I even included a TLDR at the top for people who didn't want to read further. Anything below would have obviously been why I thought Madara was more talented than Itachi.

 

[Vulpini]

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Hashirama > Madara

Hashirama said that Itachi > himself

thus

Itachi > Hashirama > Madara

Ty and Itachi solos

 

[salamander uchiha]

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Hashirama > Madara

Hashirama said that Itachi > himself

thus

Itachi > Hashirama > Madara

Ty and Itachi solos

Both died of unknown causes (diseases).

Itachi died at ayounger age than Hashirama(his aids was stronger). Hashi's wink speaks for itself Itachi was willing to do more than hashirama as a Shinobi:Sparks:

 

[MissingFUCKINGnin]

Are you actually under the impression that Itachi created Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu or did you just poorly word the sentence?

itachi created tsokuyomi, and amaterasu...

nobody used tsoku besides him, and sasuke is the only other to use amaterasu... Itachi pioneered them

 

[Mellanoma]

Madara talent comes from years of experience + his natural ability to learn and excel at what he learns.

Itachi was the epitome of natural talent.

In certian aspects I believe them equal. In others one excels better than the other and vice versa

 

[salamander uchiha]

Madara talent comes from years of experience + his natural ability to learn and excel at what he learns.

Itachi was the epitome of natural talent.

In certian aspects I believe them equal. In others one excels better than the other and vice versa

I disagree Kid Madara without Sharingan was killing capable adults(not incometent adults), that doesn't come from years of experience rather talent.

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[Tauren Chieftain]

Q: Is Itachi's talent really close to Madara ?

A: Not even close fam

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[Mellanoma]

Q: Is Itachi's talent really close to Madara ?

A: Not even close fam

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Edo and Hashiroids....
kabuto would wreck as well

 

[Master Omi]

I disagree Kid Madara without Sharingan was killing capable adults(not incometent adults), that doesn't come from years of experience rather talent.

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Not true, Madara said he had a sharingan before his father said that:

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[Mellanoma]

I disagree Kid Madara without Sharingan was killing capable adults(not incometent adults), that doesn't come from years of experience rather talent.

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age 5 itachi > Madara based on manga

 

[Holy God]

itachi created tsokuyomi, and amaterasu...

nobody used tsoku besides him, and sasuke is the only other to use amaterasu... Itachi pioneered them

Or they were granted to him by the Mangekyou Sharingan. There's a difference between Tobirama inventing Shadow Clones and being granted, without prior knowledge, a technique no one has seen before, like Amaterasu and Kamui.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Edo and Hashiroids....
kabuto would wreck as well

Please Hashiroids boost physical energy and recovery speed as an Edo tjat wouldn't make a difference.

age 5 itachi > Madara based on manga

Is that when he contracted aids?

Not true, Madara said he had a sharingan before his father said that:

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That's not what he's referring to, he was about to admit he's an Uchiha. Those who have the Sharingan gene have good eyes by default. He was boasting about how good his sight is in base he wasn't going to use Sharingan to beat Hashi. If he had the Sharingan and was using it in combat others including his father would've been awsre of it and not claimed he awoke the Sharingan at the altercation.

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

Q: Is Itachi's talent really close to Madara ?

A: Not even close fam

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One sasuke low diff 1000 sound ninjas with 3 t

Two sage mode is able to dodge a top spped lighting cloak

Three.... well **** ps is pretty cool but kakashis is cooler...

 

[AllKnowingShinobi]

Is that when he contracted aids?

Would it matter... if itachi had ems who knows how much more godly itachi would be... the man died like the pirate king (gol d. Roger)and was the god damn pinnacle.

 

[Master Omi]

Please Hashiroids boost physical energy and recovery speed as an Edo tjat wouldn't make a difference.




Is that when he contracted aids?



That's not what he's referring to, he was about to admit he's an Uchiha. Those who have the Sharingan gene have good eyes by default. He was boasting about how good his sight is in base he wasn't going to use Sharingan to beat Hashi. If he had the Sharingan and was using it in combat others including his father would've been awsre of it and not claimed he awoke the Sharingan at the altercation.

That seems like a stretch. Madara didn't say "Of course I am, for I am a Uch-" he said "of course I am for, for I got an Sha-." And he may have been ready to use the sharingan, because he was caught up in the moment. He was simply able to catch himself before he made a stupid mistake. Uchiha's eyesight becomes better when their about to first activate the sharingan. Madara could of used his sharingan in combat, while fighting away from his father.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Would it matter... if itachi had ems who knows how much more godly itachi would be... the man died like the pirate king (gol d. Roger)and was the god damn pinnacle.

Nice fanfic Gol D. never died because of aids. And he wasn't anybody's ***** (konoha's).

That seems like a stretch. Madara didn't say "Of course I am, for I am a Uch-" he said "of course I am for, for I got an Sha-." And he may have been ready to use the sharingan, because he was caught up in the moment. He was simply able to catch himself before he made a stupid mistake. Uchiha's eyesight becomes better when their about to first activate the sharingan. Madara could of used his sharingan in combat, while fighting away from his father.

No, the only one reaching is you, Madara was boasting about his eyes not the clan. They aren't famous for their name but for their eyes and they excel at seeing things. You speculated and constructed a whole scenario where Madara would reveal his eyes. The answer is he never had them and has never shown them. If he had them before then like I said Tajime would've known about it, other Uchiha in the battlefield would've known about it and by default Tajima. Batsuma would've heard about it considering he did research on Madara and not be surprised at it's awakening.

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Even Hashirama confirms he understood what it means to awaken the Sharingan. That entire page was a moment of emphasis on the sharingan awakening and the required state.

 

[Master Omi]

No, the only one reaching is you, Madara was boasting about his eyes not the clan. They aren't famous for their name but for their eyes and they excel at seeing things. You speculated and constructed a whole scenario where Madara would reveal his eyes. The answer is he never had them and has never shown them. If he had them before then like I said Tajime would've known about it, other Uchiha in the battlefield would've known about it and by default Tajima. Batsuma would've heard about it considering he did research on Madara and not be surprised at it's awakening.

He literally said he had a sharingan, you're making a lot of assumptions to dance around that fact. I just humored you by responding to what you're saying. Once madara said he had a sharingan though, that was the end.

 

[salamander uchiha]

He literally said he had a sharingan, you're making a lot of assumptions to dance around that fact. I just humored you by responding to what you're saying. Once madara said he had a sharingan though, that was the end.

No he didn't, since he never finished the sentence. You're assuming things when everybody is confirming the actual awakening. You humoured nothing, you just realised how flawed your argument was to bwgin with as it doesn't make sense or address all the issues that arise.

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Even Hashirama confirms he understood what it means to awaken the Sharingan. That entire page was a moment of emphasis on the sharingan awakening and the required state. If(that's a big if) for a moment we accept he had an awakened Sharingan it's obvious it was never used in combat otherwise everybody mentioned would've known about it.

Take it or leave it I don't really care unless uou address the issues I raised.

 

[MissingFUCKINGnin]

Or they were granted to him by the Mangekyou Sharingan. There's a difference between Tobirama inventing Shadow Clones and being granted, without prior knowledge, a technique no one has seen before, like Amaterasu and Kamui.

Multiple Uchiha have has the MS and EMS before and after itachi, yet he is still the only ninja capable of tsokuyomi, and he is the first to use amaterasu, and only sasuke has been able to use it since...

yes itachis MS enabled him to use the techs, but he still created them