Is Itachi's Tsukuyomi really unbreakable?

[Nardo]

Exactly b. If Kishimoto wrote how to break it, then that's how its broken. Kishimoto stated TSUKUYOMI can only be broken by Uchiha Blood + Sharingan.

Kishimoto stated Regular Genjutsu can be broken by: Kai method.

Itachi also said many things which turned out to be lies.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

Itachi also said many things which turned out to be lies.

Of course. Nay sayers go down this route all the time as well.

If the Manga states Tsukuyomi cannot be broken by methods other than Uchiha blood + Sharingan.

And the Databook supports the Manga's claim then it is fact.

End of story.

 

[SenseiSama]

KKG refers to the blood of an Uchiha which is why Itachi stated both KKG and Sharingan. If Sharingan was referred to as KKG then he would be saying the same thing twice. DB clears that up as well.

It's already been said genjutsu can be broken with kai release, Tsukuyomi is a genjutsu and therefore follows the same rule, it just requires a user with very high level chakra and chakra control to break it.

Itachi never faced someone with the same level of chakra as him until he faced Sasuke, so his perspective on the recommendations to break Tsukuyomi were severely limited. His reaction towards Sasuke breaking it prove that he did not know the claims he made about his dojutsu could be contradicted.

The manga explained how genjutsu works. A person gets trapped in an illusion when their chakra is being controlled, to break through the illusion the victim needs chakra of an equivalent level as the genjutsu user to break free of their control, like how you need the same muscle strength as someone to break out of their control.

When Sasuke broke out of Tsukuyomi it's because he release CS level 2 chakra, which has been confirmed to be of equivalent strength as his chakra after he awakened Mangekyo. He essentially released a chakra capable of matching Itachi's and as a result broke free, it had nothing to do with his Sharingan or DNA but rather his level of chakra.

We've seen other techniques that work in the exact same way as Sharingan genjutsu. Chakra rods and Edo tesnei both control the victim like genutsu by controlling the victim's chakra flow, but both techniques can be broken if the level of chakra release is high enough.

Naruto broke free of Nagato's chakra rod during their conversation thanks to Kurama like how perfect Jin break free from genjutsu with bijuu, likewise Hashirama and Madara both broke out Kabuto's control due to their superior chakra, while other shinobi with lesser chakra remained under Edo's control, including Itachi.

So if an opponent has at least the same level of chakra strength as Itachi they should be able to break his MS genjutsu. Because the stronger the user's chakra, the higher their level of kai release will be and as a result the higher level of genjutsu they will be able to break.

Using Tsukuyomi against the likes of SM Naruto or Hashirama would be a completely different ball game because their chakra is superior to the CS chakra Sasuke used to break it.

 

[Nardo]

Of course. Nay sayers go down this route all the time as well.

If the Manga states Tsukuyomi cannot be broken by methods other than Uchiha blood + Sharingan.

And the Databook supports the Manga's claim then it is fact.

End of story.

I'm going by how to break Genjutsu rules :mew:

 

[Demonic.]

And Hyuga should also have the potential to break Itachi's genjutsu due to the fact genjutsu works by controlling the flow of chakra in the opponent's body and they have the highest level of control over chakra flow in NV. Not to mention, genjutsu is a Yin feat and Hamura had stronger Yin affinity than Hagoromo.

Man this is even more retarded than your Neji > Toneri bullshit

 

[wanderingcactus]

against Jaden Smith... no. genjutsu is nothing to philosopher Jaden

 

[Claymantan]

Yin affinity doesn't help against Sharingan genjutsu.

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(Probably the first time this scan was used for an actual manga fact)

 

[baul 24]

the only time tsukuyomi was broken was in sasuke's case where itachi was not serious and top of that even he did remember sasuke was indra's reincarnation uchiha's ancestor so it is quite plausible only sasuke can thanks to indra's power.

 

[LoZelda101]

Itachi also said many things which turned out to be lies.

yup. itachi said madara was invincible, that was certainly a lie.

Then stop acting like it will take the normal way to break SIMPLE GENJUTSU will work on it. It's an MS Genjutsu with ALREADY SET IN STONE STIPULATIONS. Stop posting fanfic counters when its weakness is already set in stone fool.



On the scan it says Uchiha Blood + Sharingan breaks Tsukuyomi. Nothing else fam. Don't let these Itachi haters persuade you with their bullshit.

Normal methods of Genjutsu breaking isn't doing shit vs Tsukuyomi.

the new official english translation just says kekkei genkai and sharingan, not uchiha blood. personally i think the user has to not only possess sharingan but must related to indra's side. ie: uchiha, rikudou, etc. but that's just an assumption.

Yes just clap 3 times spin and say get me outa heree!

by then 72hour mental torture would've already went by. lol

Hashirama would break that shit like no Tomorrow leave Itachi panting for air.

nope. time-manipulation induced tsukuyomi mind-rapes hashi before he even attempts to break it.

 

[Claymantan]

the new official english translation just says kekkei genkai and sharingan, not uchiha blood. personally i think the user has to not only possess sharingan but must related to indra's side. ie: uchiha, rikudou, etc. but that's just an assumption.

Kekkei Genkai directly implies bloodline

 

[LoZelda101]

Kekkei Genkai directly implies bloodline

yes bloodline w/ sharingan. but it's obvious that it takes more than just those two.

edit: nvm, i know what you're saying. uchiha blood

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

nope. time-manipulation induced tsukuyomi mind-rapes hashi before he even attempts to break it.

This might be the only way Hashi wins. This is sick Itachi against Hashirama, Itachi uses Tsukuyomi against Hashirama it turns out to be a wood clone. This takes out a chunck of life points from Itachi and he is left to coughing blood. Amaterasu won't work on him because he can use the Deep Forest Emergence to contain that shit. From here he proceeds to defeat Itachi with the Buddha. So basically for Hashirama to win, he must face a nerfed/sick Itachi because healthy Itachi would rape him.

 

[LoZelda101]

This might be the only way Hashi wins. This is sick Itachi against Hashirama, Itachi uses Tsukuyomi against Hashirama it turns out to be a wood clone. This takes out a chunck of life points from Itachi and he is left to coughing blood. Amaterasu won't work on him because he can use the Deep Forest Emergence to contain that shit. From here he proceeds to defeat Itachi with the Buddha. So basically for Hashirama to win, he must face a nerfed/sick Itachi because healthy Itachi would rape him.

true but it's not just nerf/sick, it's also heldback. we've never actually witness serious killing intent itachi in battle. kabuto praised itachi to the point he said that itachi had several ways to end the war (and mind you he said that after summoning edo madara). personally imo, without intel, hashi will not prep for tsukuyomi. he'll think it's just typical uchiha genjutsu he could break, same with dealing with obito's kamui which almost screwed minato had not FTG saved him.

 

[Solo]

Only Sasuke can resist Tsukuyomi considering he neg Infinite Tsukuyomi.

As for the Sage of Six Paths, it's unknown. Saying what will and won't work on him is a stupid pointless argument.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

true but it's not just nerf/sick, it's also heldback. we've never actually witness serious killing intent itachi in battle. kabuto praised itachi to the point he said that itachi had several ways to end the war (and mind you he said that after summoning edo madara). personally imo, without intel, hashi will not prep for tsukuyomi. he'll think it's just typical uchiha genjutsu he could break, same with dealing with obito's kamui which almost screwed minato had not FTG saved him.

The only way Tsukuyomi can fail against Hashi is if Itachi uses it but Hashi quickly pulls off a wood clone to negate its effects. I am being 100% serious here. This is what I believe when I say he can counter the Tsukuyomi, it is a simple clone jutsu but once he gets caught in it because Hashi can't be playin mind games with Itachi for long, he is done.

The one thing I don't agree on is that won't he coe to the battle fully prepped. He ain't called the God of Shinobi for no apparent reason. He has had some experience in the past with genjutsu before meaning Madara's gen now before you say it's not on the same level as Itachi's which I know, won't he still be prepared to fight against all types of genjutsus. When Madara first used Susano against him do you think he had intel of what was about to happen? With or without intel Hashirama still would be done in by the effects of Tsukuyomi.

Kakashi an experienced dojutsu user who copies various techniques and was quite notorious for his Sharingan still got caught by his Tsukuyomi.

 

[Claymantan]

Is Itachi's Susanoo still vulnerable from below?

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Is Itachi's Susanoo still vulnerable from below?

When was his Susanoo ever vulnerable? The only reason why he had to deactivate his susanoo was because his chakra levels were insanely low due to his low stamina due to health reasons.

Yata is an invincible mirror, he can literally block all of the attacks coming that direction.

 

[Claymantan]

When was his Susanoo ever vulnerable? The only reason why he had to deactivate his susanoo was because his chakra levels were insanely low due to his low stamina due to health reasons.

Yata is an invincible mirror, he can literally block all of the attacks coming that direction.

I was thinking of how someone said Sasuke's Susanoo is vulnerable from attacks from below. Wasn't thinking about Yata.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

I was thinking of how someone said Sasuke's Susanoo is vulnerable from attacks from below. Wasn't thinking about Yata.

Idk you have to explain that point more clearly, you mean like the mines Tobi set up during his fight against Hebi Sasuke. Idk if Susanoo is destroyed by those level of bombs.

 

[NarutoX28]

Yes, some Genjutsu are harder to break than others. But at the end of the day they are all GENJUTSU and it can be broken the same way.

It doesn't function like other Genjutsu as it happens instantaneously, so there's no time to break it before the effects occur instantaneously.