Is Itachi's Tsukuyomi really unbreakable?

[RedRobin]

Yes, because that's the only way to interpret it. If Uchiha blood meant any Uchiha then the author would not have had to specify. Thus the only way to interpret it is that it means any Uchiha who shares the user's blood.

Telling you that writing Uchiha instead doesn't change that Sasuke was the only Uchih alive at the time in every post is getting pretty old. So this is where it's going to end, thank you for keeping the discussion civil while it lasted.

What exactly did he specify and where?

 

[SenseiSama]

Itachi never lies about his broken techinques. As long as you are not an Uchiha blood you get caught in Tsukuyomi. It's simple as that. Hagoromo will break out of Tsukuyomi because he is the Uchiha Clan ancestor and Indra's father. Hagoromo has the Rinnegan which is a combination of Indra's plus Ashura's chakra. Indra's chakra involes the use of the Sharingan.

Hagormo can break it no doubt, everyone else gets caught.

Wrong, otherwise we might as well say someone with Ashura's power can't break it when his body is designed to counter Indra's eyes. Itachi said all jutsu have weakness and that would include genjutsu like Tsukuyomi.

As long as you have a very strong kai release you can break it, someone like Tobirama and Hashirama would have been able to due to their ability to release huge amounts of chakra at once. In addition, a very skill full Hyuga would be able to as well because they have control over their own chakra flow.

 

[LoZelda101]

What part of instantaneous mind rape don't you understand?

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Wrong, otherwise we might as well say someone with Ashura's power can't break it when his body is designed to counter Indra's eyes. Itachi said all jutsu have weakness and that would include genjutsu like Tsukuyomi.

The weakness of Tsukuyomi is that any one with the Uchiha KKG and the Sharingan can break out of the Tsukuyomi. This was the weakness he was referring to. This genjutsu is special and not meant to be counted by RSM/body users. It isn't a standard Sharingan genjutsu where the Tailed Beast can break it for you by lending their chakra.

As long as you have a very strong kai release you can break it, someone like Tobirama and Hashirama would have been able to due to their ability to release huge amounts of chakra at once. In addition, a very skill full Hyuga would be able to as well because they have control over their own chakra flow.

Dude stop referring to hypotheticals because the manga sets specific conditions to break Tsukuyomi. Having control over their chakra flow or even detecting the Tsukuyomi doesn't prevent them from getting caught within the genjutsu. This means that the Hyugas get raped, Hashirama and Tobirama get caught. This isn't like Orochimaru measly control which he put over Tobirama which he broke for an instant. Its the strongest genjutsu.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

Wrong, otherwise we might as well say someone with Ashura's power can't break it when his body is designed to counter Indra's eyes. Itachi said all jutsu have weakness and that would include genjutsu like Tsukuyomi.

As long as you have a very strong kai release you can break it, someone like Tobirama and Hashirama would have been able to due to their ability to release huge amounts of chakra at once. In addition, a very skill full Hyuga would be able to as well because they have control over their own chakra flow.

No man. There are set conditions to break it. You can't simply say shit that isn't supported by the Manga against Tsukuyomi, and pass it as fact. I'm sorry, but no.

 

[Trúth]

What exactly did he specify and where?

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"Only someone with Kekkei Genkai and sharingan"

KG literally means bloodline limit. And since I think you missed my edit I'll just quote it here.

Also the fact is every Uchiha doesn't have the same blood. Further supporting my point that it must be blood shared with the user of Tsukuyomi.

This one isn't Viz but it is worth posting.

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I'll reply tomorrow.

 

[Nardo]

What part of instantaneous mind rape don't you understand?

What's your purpose? If you're gonna ask question just gtf, slim

 

[Nardo]

No man. There are set conditions to break it. You can't simply say shit that isn't supported by the Manga against Tsukuyomi, and pass it as fact. I'm sorry, but no.

Is Tsukuyomi a Genjutsu? Yes, then the rules to breaking it are the same, Tsukuyomi is just way more difficult.

 

[RedRobin]

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"Only someone with Kekkei Genkai and sharingan"

KG literally means bloodline limit. And since I think you missed my edit I'll just quote it here.

Lol. KKG just means Uchiha blood. How in the world you turned KKG into just Itachi's blood is beyond me. Kakashi has the sharingan but he does not have Uchiha blood(KKG) meaning he cannot break it. Thats the point of that statement.

All the Hyuga have the same KKG, which allows them to use their techs, same with the Uchiha. Its no different.

 

[LoZelda101]

What's your purpose? If you're gonna ask question just gtf, slim

Cause you're clearly an idiot. Tsukuyomi can be broken by anybody, the PROBLEM that makes it so unbeatable is the time manipulation. That unique ingredient rapes anyone (that isnt uchiha) before they even get the chance to break it, which is what danzo was fangirling about compared to sasuke's shit gen.

 

[Angelic.]

Yes just clap 3 times spin and say get me outa heree!

 

[Jokule67]

Hashirama would break that shit like no Tomorrow leave Itachi panting for air.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

Is Tsukuyomi a Genjutsu? Yes, then the rules to breaking it are the same, Tsukuyomi is just way more difficult.

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If you on God really think Tsukuyomi is a simple Genjutsu you need to log out.. Forever.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

Cause you're clearly an idiot. Tsukuyomi can be broken by anybody, the PROBLEM that makes it so unbeatable is the time manipulation. That unique ingredient rapes anyone (that isnt uchiha) before they even get the chance to break it, which is what danzo was fangirling about compared to sasuke's shit gen.

No it can't b. Tsukuyomi can only be broken by the stipulations Itachi gave out: Uchiha blood + Sharingan.

The rest is str8 facts.

 

[Jokule67]

Is Tsukuyomi a Genjutsu? Yes, then the rules to breaking it are the same, Tsukuyomi is just way more difficult.

You used to need eyes for Susano'o. Edo Tensei used to be unbreakable.

 

[Yatori]

Every jutsu has weakness. They just didnt figured it out yet.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

You used to need eyes for Susano'o. Edo Tensei used to be unbreakable.

Bruh, you can't be serious. Susano'o requires both eyes to UNLOCK. NOT USE. Smh. The base has legit gotten dumber. Edo Tensei was always able to be BROKEN, the reason Hashirama, and Tobirama didn't break Edo Tensei in Pt.1 was because Orochimaru slipped the personality erasing Kunai into them so they couldn't break it. Simple as shit bruh.

Holy hell do I really need to bring out the scans for you clueless nigguhs.

 

[RedRobin]

Every jutsu has weakness. They just didnt figured it out yet.

No weakness. Just a high risk justu with crazy side effects. No weakness to Izanami however you do lose your eye.

 

[SenseiSama]

The weakness of Tsukuyomi is that any one with the Uchiha KKG and the Sharingan can break out of the Tsukuyomi. This was the weakness he was referring to. This genjutsu is special and not meant to be counted by RSM/body users. It isn't a standard Sharingan genjutsu where the Tailed Beast can break it for you by lending their chakra.



Dude stop referring to hypotheticals because the manga sets specific conditions to break Tsukuyomi. Having control over their chakra flow or even detecting the Tsukuyomi doesn't prevent them from getting caught within the genjutsu. This means that the Hyugas get raped, Hashirama and Tobirama get caught. This isn't like Orochimaru measly control which he put over Tobirama which he broke for an instant. Its the strongest genjutsu.

It's not hypothetical, the time Itachi spoke about Tsukuyomi to Sasuke was when he had the intention of manipulating him.

He wanted his little brother to believe only he had the power to fight him an no one else because his aim was to make Sasuke strong through his methods which he later admitted as wrong. By saying Sasuke needed the "same blood" he was basically re-enforcing the idea that Sasuke had to fight Itachi alone without team 7's help.

He even told Sasuke that he needed MS to fight him yet Sasuke proved his claim wrong by breaking genjutsu with 3T Sharingan instead of Mangekyo, that in itself basically puts everything Itachi said into question.

Furthermore, if Uchiha blood is all that's required to break genjutsu then Kakashi should have been able to break it since he was capable of using Uchiha KKG of the same level as Itachi.

It's evident that the Sharingan allows your to see through genjutsu but not break it. Genjutsu works by controlling the opponent's chakra flow, and disrupting the user's control over the chakra flow occurs when you release chakra which is known as Kai release.

When Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi he released his CS chakra, and because MS chakra is of th esame potency as CS Level 2 he managed to break it without a Mangekyo.

Therefore it suggests that when the victim has chakra as strong as CS or Senjutsu they should be able to break Tsukuyomi.

And Hyuga should also have the potential to break Itachi's genjutsu due to the fact genjutsu works by controlling the flow of chakra in the opponent's body and they have the highest level of control over chakra flow in NV. Not to mention, genjutsu is a Yin feat and Hamura had stronger Yin affinity than Hagoromo.

 

[Nardo]

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If you on God really think Tsukuyomi is a simple Genjutsu you need to log out.. Forever.

Where did I say it was a simple Genjutsu? I was saying the opposite.

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