Is Itachi's Tsukuyomi really unbreakable?

[LoZelda101]

No it can't b. Tsukuyomi can only be broken by the stipulations Itachi gave out: Uchiha blood + Sharingan.

The rest is str8 facts.

Im just going by what it says on the scan. KG + sharingan. But i get what you're saying. It would be silly to think ino or choji w/ sharingan can break tsuku. So it's likely just indra related.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

It's not hypothetical, the time Itachi spoke about Tsukuyomi to Sasuke was when he had the intention of manipulating him. He wanted his little brother to believe only he had the power to fight him an no one else because his aim was to make Sasuke strong throgh his methods which he later admitted as wrong.

He even said Sasuke needed MS to fight him yet Sasuke proved his claim wrong by breaking genjutsu with 3T Sharingan instead of Mangekyo, that in itself basically puts everything he said into question. If Uchiha KKG is all that's required then Kakashi should have been able to break it since he was capable of using MS like Itachi, yet he didn't.

It's evident that the Sharingan allows your to see through genjutsu but not break it. Genjutsu works by controlling the opponent's chakra flow, and disrupting the user's control over the chakra flow occurs when you release chakra which is known as Kai release.

When Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi he released his CS chakra, because MS chakra is of th same potency as CS Level 2 he managed to break it withou a Mangekyo. Therefore it suggests that when the victim has chakra as strong as CS or Senjutsu they should be able to break Tsukuyomi.

And Hyuga should also have the potential to break Itachi's genjutsu due to the fact genjutsu works by controlling the flow of chakra in the opponent's body and they have the highest level of control over chakra flow in NV. Not to mention, genjutsu is a Yin feat and Hamura had stronger Yin affinity than Hagoromo.

You don't need Mangekyou to break Tsukuyomi.

The only stipulations are: Uchiha Blood + Sharingan.

Everything else you're saying is LEGIT FANFIC.

 

[Nardo]

Cause you're clearly an idiot. Tsukuyomi can be broken by anybody, the PROBLEM that makes it so unbeatable is the time manipulation. That unique ingredient rapes anyone (that isnt uchiha) before they even get the chance to break it, which is what danzo was fangirling about compared to sasuke's shit gen.

If I'm an idiot for that you're essentially calling everyone an idiot because no one besides you said anything like that :|

 

[Genyūmaru1]

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Where did I say it was a simple Genjutsu? I was saying the opposite.

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Then stop acting like it will take the normal way to break SIMPLE GENJUTSU will work on it. It's an MS Genjutsu with ALREADY SET IN STONE STIPULATIONS. Stop posting fanfic counters when its weakness is already set in stone fool.

Im just going by what it says on the scan. KG + sharingan. But i get what you're saying. It would be silly to think ino or choji w/ sharingan can break tsuku. So it's likely just indra related.

On the scan it says Uchiha Blood + Sharingan breaks Tsukuyomi. Nothing else fam. Don't let these Itachi haters persuade you with their bullshit.

Normal methods of Genjutsu breaking isn't doing shit vs Tsukuyomi.

 

[LoZelda101]

It's not hypothetical, the time Itachi spoke about Tsukuyomi to Sasuke was when he had the intention of manipulating him.

He wanted his little brother to believe only he had the power to fight him an no one else because his aim was to make Sasuke strong through his methods which he later admitted as wrong. By saying Sasuke needed the "same blood" he was basically re-enforcing the idea that Sasuke had to fight Itachi alone without team 7's help.

He even told Sasuke that he needed MS to fight him yet Sasuke proved his claim wrong by breaking genjutsu with 3T Sharingan instead of Mangekyo, that in itself basically puts everything Itachi said into question.

Furthermore, if Uchiha blood is all that's required to break genjutsu then Kakashi should have been able to break it since he was capable of using Uchiha KKG of the same level as Itachi.

It's evident that the Sharingan allows your to see through genjutsu but not break it. Genjutsu works by controlling the opponent's chakra flow, and disrupting the user's control over the chakra flow occurs when you release chakra which is known as Kai release.

When Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi he released his CS chakra, because MS chakra is of th same potency as CS Level 2 he managed to break it withou a Mangekyo. Therefore it suggests that when the victim has chakra as strong as CS or Senjutsu they should be able to break Tsukuyomi.

And Hyuga should also have the potential to break Itachi's genjutsu due to the fact genjutsu works by controlling the flow of chakra in the opponent's body and they have the highest level of control over chakra flow in NV. Not to mention, genjutsu is a Yin feat and Hamura had stronger Yin affinity than Hagoromo.

Bro. Itachi let sasuke break his gen. Obito in his own words said sasuke didnt see through shit in battle and in character.

 

[Jokule67]

Bruh, you can't be serious. Susano'o requires both eyes to UNLOCK. NOT USE. Smh. The base has legit gotten dumber. Edo Tensei was always able to be BROKEN, the reason Hashirama, and Tobirama didn't break Edo Tensei in Pt.1 was because Orochimaru slipped the personality erasing Kunai into them so they couldn't break it. Simple as shit bruh.

Holy hell do I really need to bring out the scans for you clueless nigguhs.

Lol you know as well as I do that thats pure crap. Susanoo was never meant to be used by blind or no eyes. Its a DOUJUTSU. And Edo Tensei was NEVER meant to be broken. It was a Jutsu with no weakness.

Personality does not erase The binding. Powerful Chakra does. He brought them to ALMOST their full power allowing Hashirama to break free. Thats mamga fact.

Original 100% Hashi is not falling or getting one shotted by Itachi. And I bet your ass Madara would rape Itachi too and break that Shit, he is Indras top Reincarnate.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

You guys can't set counters to a technique that already has SET STIPULATIONS TO BREAK.

The only way to break Tsukuyomi is by having: Uchiha Blood + Sharingan (or it's higher forms eg; MS/EMS/Rinnegan)

Stop with the bullshit fanfic post now.

 

[SenseiSama]

You don't need Mangekyou to break Tsukuyomi.

The only stipulations are: Uchiha Blood + Sharingan.

Everything else you're saying is LEGIT FANFIC.

The Uchiha blood is a reference to needing Uchiha KKG,, Kakashi had an Uchiha KKG and failed to break it even though he also had a Mangekyo like Itachi.

Claiming Tsukuyomi is unbreakable is fanfic when the author has already explained how genjutsu works. You break it through Kai release, not through Sharingan. The Uchiha dojutsu only allows you to see through genjutsu but not break it. Chakra release is what breaks genjutsu, not Uchiha blood.

 

[SenseiSama]

Bro. Itachi let sasuke break his gen. Obito in his own words said sasuke didnt see through shit in battle and in character.

No he didn't, his and BZ's reaction clearly show he didn't expect it to happen. He told Sasuke that the "same eyes" were required to face him, by "same eyes" he was referring to Mangekyo, so it shows his perspective was somehwhat wrong when Sasuke broke it with 3T Sharingan.

 

[RedRobin]

The Uchiha blood is a reference to needing Uchiha KKG,, Kakashi had an Uchiha KKG and failed to break it even though he also had a Mangekyo like Itachi.

Claiming Tsukuyomi is unbreakable is fanfic when the author has already explained how genjutsu works. You break it through Kai release, not through Sharingan. The Uchiha dojutsu only allows you to see through genjutsu but not break it. Chakra release is what breaks genjutsu, not Uchiha blood.

KKG refers to the blood of an Uchiha which is why Itachi stated both KKG and Sharingan. If Sharingan was referred to as KKG then he would be saying the same thing twice. DB clears that up as well.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

Lol you know as well as I do that thats pure crap. Susanoo was never meant to be used by blind or no eyes. Its a DOUJUTSU. And Edo Tensei was NEVER meant to be broken. It was a Jutsu with no weakness.

Personality does not erase The binding. Powerful Chakra does. He brought them to ALMOST their full power allowing Hashirama to break free. Thats mamga fact.

Original 100% Hashi is not falling or getting one shotted by Itachi. And I bet your ass Madara would rape Itachi too and break that Shit, he is Indras top Reincarnate.

You're saying fanfic shit again bruh.

What you have to come to terms with is that everything you're saying against what has happened is Fanfic. If it's happened in the manga than it is truth it is FACT.

If Madara used Susano'o without his eyes, then Susano'o can be used after unlocking it without eyes. FACT.

If Edo Tensei was broken by overriding the original user's control via chakra then it can be broken. FACT.

Idk why you're saying personality doesn't erase the binding because I didn't say that.

I said Orochimaru sealed their personalities so that Tobirama/Hashirama wouldn't break the Edo Tensei bindings in Pt.1 like in Pt.2

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Turning them into mindless zombies.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

The Uchiha blood is a reference to needing Uchiha KKG,, Kakashi had an Uchiha KKG and failed to break it even though he also had a Mangekyo like Itachi.

Claiming Tsukuyomi is unbreakable is fanfic when the author has already explained how genjutsu works. You break it through Kai release, not through Sharingan. The Uchiha dojutsu only allows you to see through genjutsu but not break it. Chakra release is what breaks genjutsu, not Uchiha blood.

Dude. You cannot be this dense.

The stipulations to break Tsukuyomi have already been stated. You can't come up with FANFIC and pass it on as TRUE.

 

[Jokule67]

You're saying fanfic shit again bruh.

What you have to come to terms with is that everything you're saying against what has happened is Fanfic. If it's happened in the manga than it is truth it is FACT.

If Madara used Susano'o without his eyes, then Susano'o can be used after unlocking it without eyes. FACT.

If Edo Tensei was broken by overriding the original user's control via chakra then it can be broken. FACT.

Idk why you're saying personality doesn't erase the binding because I didn't say that.

I said Orochimaru sealed their personalities so that Tobirama/Hashirama wouldn't break the Edo Tensei bindings in Pt.1 like in Pt.2

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Turning them into mindless zombies.

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Lol and I respond with this. You need POWER to break the binding of Edo Tensei. Hashi did it with no difficulty at ALL. Personality does not free you.


I dont care what you think is fanfic, Hashirama and Madara can break Tsukoyomi, I am sure of it. Hashi faced a Rinnegan without falling to Genjutsu. Fought the whole Uchiha clan, fodderized his WHOLE generation including the strongest Uchiha without falling to genjutsu.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

It's not hypothetical, the time Itachi spoke about Tsukuyomi to Sasuke was when he had the intention of manipulating him.

He wanted his little brother to believe only he had the power to fight him an no one else because his aim was to make Sasuke strong through his methods which he later admitted as wrong. By saying Sasuke needed the "same blood" he was basically re-enforcing the idea that Sasuke had to fight Itachi alone without team 7's help.

We have no reason to believe that Itachi was lying about the conditions. It was not just situational that caused him to state the terms of Tsukuyomi. This is true though wheteher he said it to draw out Sasuke's potential or not, the fact still remains thath only people with the same blood as him can break the Tsukuyomi.

Kakashi can't break the Tsukuyomi if not for Itachi letting him go after 72 hours. Only Uchiha KKG + Sharingan can break the Tsukuyomi.

He even told Sasuke that he needed MS to fight him yet Sasuke proved his claim wrong by breaking genjutsu with 3T Sharingan instead of Mangekyo, that in itself basically puts everything Itachi said into question.

Furthermore, if Uchiha blood is all that's required to break genjutsu then Kakashi should have been able to break it since he was capable of using Uchiha KKG of the same level as Itachi.

It's evident that the Sharingan allows your to see through genjutsu but not break it. Genjutsu works by controlling the opponent's chakra flow, and disrupting the user's control over the chakra flow occurs when you release chakra which is known as Kai release.

When Sasuke broke Tsukuyomi he released his CS chakra, and because MS chakra is of th esame potency as CS Level 2 he managed to break it without a Mangekyo.

Therefore it suggests that when the victim has chakra as strong as CS or Senjutsu they should be able to break Tsukuyomi.

And Hyuga should also have the potential to break Itachi's genjutsu due to the fact genjutsu works by controlling the flow of chakra in the opponent's body and they have the highest level of control over chakra flow in NV. Not to mention, genjutsu is a Yin feat and Hamura had stronger Yin affinity than Hagoromo.

The Uchiha blood plus a Sharingan is required. Kakashi was never an Uchiha blood by birth he just got a gift hence why he couldn't brake it. The Hyuga potential to control their chakra while true that they can control their chakra they can't even break Tsukuyomi. The fanfic is too much.

Mangekyo isn't needed and this isn't a simple genjutsu that the release break method can be used on.

 

[Yatori]

No weakness. Just a high risk justu with crazy side effects. No weakness to Izanami however you do lose your eye.

That's is cons already :bdpf:

 

[Nardo]

Then stop acting like it will take the normal way to break SIMPLE GENJUTSU will work on it. It's an MS Genjutsu with ALREADY SET IN STONE STIPULATIONS. Stop posting fanfic counters when its weakness is already set in stone fool.

Yes, some Genjutsu are harder to break than others. But at the end of the day they are all GENJUTSU and it can be broken the same way.

 

[CDT23]

Probably 99% of the narutoverse would get soloed by Itachi's single move. Hence the solo king was born.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

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Lol and I respond with this. You need POWER to break the binding of Edo Tensei. Hashi did it with no difficulty at ALL. Personality does not free you.


I dont care what you think is fanfic, Hashirama and Madara can break Tsukoyomi, I am sure of it. Hashi faced a Rinnegan without falling to Genjutsu. Fought the whole Uchiha clan, fodderized his WHOLE generation including the strongest Uchiha without falling to genjutsu.

Why are you linking that manga panel for? I'm agreeing that strong chakra > Edo Tensei. But without their personalities, they cannot do that because they are MINDLESS.

Orochimaru didn't do what he did in Pt.1 to them, so with their own personalities they could do as they wished. Sasuke had to get answers from them after all.

Of course you don't care what fanfic is, because you're mindlessly making your own stipulations to break Tsukuyomi. If Kishimoto says within the manga, as well databook that Tsukuyomi can only be broken by Uchiha Blood + Sharingan then that is FACT, FINAL, FANETO.

It's literally a done discussion.

Yes, some Genjutsu are harder to break than others. But at the end of the day they are all GENJUTSU and it can be broken the same way.

That's like saying all Taijutsu is the same, and can be countered the same.

Or all ninjutsu is the same, so it can be executed the same.

No bruh. That's not how it works. You can't come up with your own shit when Kishimoto has already done that for us.

 

[Nardo]

That's like saying all Taijutsu is the same, and can be countered the same.

Or all ninjutsu is the same, so it can be executed the same.

No bruh. That's not how it works. You can't come up with your own shit when Kishimoto has already done that for us.

You can't compare illusions to reality. You're acting like I'm the one who made up how to break Genjutsu :| Kishi is the one who wrote it.

 

[Genyūmaru1]

You can't compare illusions to reality. You're acting like I'm the one who made up how to break Genjutsu :| Kishi is the one who wrote it.

Exactly b. If Kishimoto wrote how to break it, then that's how its broken. Kishimoto stated TSUKUYOMI can only be broken by Uchiha Blood + Sharingan.

Kishimoto stated Regular Genjutsu can be broken by: Kai method.