Is it ever right to take a life?

[Frankenstein]

No one who attemps suicide does it because they think it'll be fun or because they want to post it on youtube. Just the fact that you contemplate to kill yourself means there's something wrong with you.

Well when I wrote that I was thinking about some people who are cornered financially and decide to take their own lives because of that.
Same goes for those emotionally stressed because of a lost love or something of the sort. Those should have the strength and deal with it.
I called those 2 cowards. In most of these cases if they had a second chance they wouldn't do it.

When we are talking about mentally unstable we mean cases of maniodepressive people or other types of mentally ill people.
Those should visit a psychoanalyst and he should know how to handle the situation.
But if they do commit suicide then I can't blame them because they were not taking rational decisions.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Right? No

but it can happen to be necessary

though i believe all life is equal in worth, so killing is wrong

because even though we can have motive to kill, originally we are all victims of reason, whatever makes someone the way they are is the reason they are so, if you go back in time and change the reason why they became so, then you will see that reason was to blame.

hope you understand what i mean

 

[Aim64C]

Right? No

but it can happen to be necessary

though i believe all life is equal in worth, so killing is wrong

*cringe*

because even though we can have motive to kill, originally we are all victims of reason, whatever makes someone the way they are is the reason they are so, if you go back in time and change the reason why they became so, then you will see that reason was to blame.

....

For 'normal' people, I agree with this statement.

However, I've encountered quite a few people who are not 'normal' and who really challenge the idea that all individuals are equal (and have equal rights to life).

For example... there was a female who was going through some hard times and needed the occasional place to stay. I was not using my room while I was on deployment - and I went ahead and said that it was okay (it was because of generosity such as that which enabled me to work through some tough times in my own life - why shut out someone in a similar boat?) Long story short - I come back around Christmas to find that my room mates and I have been relieved of some of our personal property (one of the ones I only recently began to appreciate missing was my Zoids Chaotic Century DVD collection... I had the full set... cost me about $300 for all of them a few years ago... that same set will run me at least $1,000 to replace, now).

Now... my room mates are not wealthy people. One of them only recently got a job working with the County, and the other works food service. This female had more 'nice things' than all of us combined (or, at least, had possession of it...). Yet she (and probably a few people running in her little circle of tweakers) decided she'd take it upon herself to steal these things. One of which was a clock that always sat above our mantle and had a picture of my parents' wedding. Obviously, they're no longer living or it would be at their house... and I wouldn't have had to rely on friends to be charitable during my darker times.

The only... and I mean the only reason her and any of her affiliates are still alive is because society has infinite patience for criminals but no stomach for reason. I was trained to hunt cells of terrorists... these tweakers who think they are living in grand theft auto are childs' play.

Is that extreme? Possibly by some. I don't pretend to judge her soul or the souls of her ilk. What I can do, however, is see that the chance of being able to reason with these people and 'fix' their life is very, very small while the chance that they will continue to cause damage to good people is quite high.

Police? These people have been to jail. The prisons are overflowing and the number of people resorting to this kind of behavior is growing geometrically. It's a revolving door that gives them the ability to make new contacts and establish new supply lines for when they get out.

It's not mathematically possible for our society to continue addressing this problem in the same way it always has. Our economy cannot support a prison system that demands double the capacity every five years. Healthy social and economic function cannot continue in an environment where the productive are sapped by the criminal.

I mean... yeah - for the person who has a job, who wants to have a home and live in peace without ****ting on everyone else's accomplishments... life is something sacred and we should all respect that.

Which means most people.

But extending that same line of thinking to people who do not reciprocate that concept is a good way to end up finding yourself a victim.

hope you understand what i mean

I'm probably taking your statement a bit beyond your initial line of thinking.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

*cringe*



....

For 'normal' people, I agree with this statement.

However, I've encountered quite a few people who are not 'normal' and who really challenge the idea that all individuals are equal (and have equal rights to life).

For example... there was a female who was going through some hard times and needed the occasional place to stay. I was not using my room while I was on deployment - and I went ahead and said that it was okay (it was because of generosity such as that which enabled me to work through some tough times in my own life - why shut out someone in a similar boat?) Long story short - I come back around Christmas to find that my room mates and I have been relieved of some of our personal property (one of the ones I only recently began to appreciate missing was my Zoids Chaotic Century DVD collection... I had the full set... cost me about $300 for all of them a few years ago... that same set will run me at least $1,000 to replace, now).

Now... my room mates are not wealthy people. One of them only recently got a job working with the County, and the other works food service. This female had more 'nice things' than all of us combined (or, at least, had possession of it...). Yet she (and probably a few people running in her little circle of tweakers) decided she'd take it upon herself to steal these things. One of which was a clock that always sat above our mantle and had a picture of my parents' wedding. Obviously, they're no longer living or it would be at their house... and I wouldn't have had to rely on friends to be charitable during my darker times.

The only... and I mean the only reason her and any of her affiliates are still alive is because society has infinite patience for criminals but no stomach for reason. I was trained to hunt cells of terrorists... these tweakers who think they are living in grand theft auto are childs' play.

Is that extreme? Possibly by some. I don't pretend to judge her soul or the souls of her ilk. What I can do, however, is see that the chance of being able to reason with these people and 'fix' their life is very, very small while the chance that they will continue to cause damage to good people is quite high.

Police? These people have been to jail. The prisons are overflowing and the number of people resorting to this kind of behavior is growing geometrically. It's a revolving door that gives them the ability to make new contacts and establish new supply lines for when they get out.

It's not mathematically possible for our society to continue addressing this problem in the same way it always has. Our economy cannot support a prison system that demands double the capacity every five years. Healthy social and economic function cannot continue in an environment where the productive are sapped by the criminal.

I mean... yeah - for the person who has a job, who wants to have a home and live in peace without ****ting on everyone else's accomplishments... life is something sacred and we should all respect that.

Which means most people.

But extending that same line of thinking to people who do not reciprocate that concept is a good way to end up finding yourself a victim.



I'm probably taking your statement a bit beyond your initial line of thinking.

not at all, youre taking it below, but i dont think you understood me

what i stated was merely an unchangeable fact, what these people did does not change the fact itself only adds more reason to why reason is to blame

however we are only humans, i do not think it is expected of us to act like Angels. I quoted this "reason is to blamet" in a Universal point of view, my view would differ as a human being.

 

[Nathan]

Hey guys and girls I just wanted you to please help me out on these issues that affect our world whether it be directly or indirectly. So basically, I know of a number of issues which all link to the same thing and that is related to death. U_U I wonna know whether it is right to take a life or not and this is obviously debatable. I personally think that it is right to take a life in some cases but in some cases it is also not aloud. :shrug: But anyway, as for the issues they are:

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  Killing animals for food
  [*]Killing animals for medical purposes
  [*]People dying in War
  [*]Getting an Abortion
  [*]Assisted Suicide/Euthanasia
  [*]Death Penalty
  [*]Self-Defence
  [*]Suicide

I would just like to know what you people think and I'd appreciate any views you may give.

Thank You

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  Killing animals for food - Yes.
  [*]Killing animals for medical purposes - 50/50 on this one.
  [*]People dying in War - You know what you sign up for.
  [*]Getting an Abortion - Persons choice.
  [*]Assisted Suicide/Euthanasia - No.
  [*]Death Penalty - Yes.
  [*]Self-Defense - Depends.
  [*]Suicide - Again up to the person, I say yes.

 

[Jack Spicer]

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  Killing animals for food - Yes.
  [*]Killing animals for medical purposes - 50/50 on this one.
  [*]People dying in War - You know what you sign up for.
  [*]Getting an Abortion - Persons choice.
  [*]Assisted Suicide/Euthanasia - No.
  [*]Death Penalty - Yes.
  [*]Self-Defense - Depends.
  [*]Suicide - Again up to the person, I say yes.

100% agree with my man, Nafan here.

 

[ROSH2]

Killing animals for food - No animal have right to survive
Killing animals for medical purposes - No have right to survive
People dying in War - If your in an army then its kill or be killed
Getting an Abortion - A fetus has just as much a right to live as you and I do. So no, I don't agree with abortion.
Assisted Suicide/Euthanasia - No
Death Penalty - in my country no Death Penalty only life time prison
Self-Defence - Absolutely I'll kill a MF if they tried to kill me
Suicide - Theres nothing to do about this one

 

[HiraishinFTG]

Is it ever right? The short answer in my opinion is no.

But sometimes, in very extreme circumstances, it is necessary...

 

[SSW Imp]

If saving a loved one or protecting yourself. But taking a life for useless things like money or jewelry is dumb and pointless.

 

[Olorin]

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  killing animals for food
  [*]killing animals for medical purposes
  [*]people dying in war
  [*]getting an abortion
  [*]assisted suicide/euthanasia
  [*]death penalty
  [*]self-defence
  [*]suicide

yes, animals eat other animals its how it is

in some cases, not indiscriminatelly but yes unfortunately some sacrifices have to be made

its not right but if youre a soldier you have to do it

yes, abortion should be legal, if a woman wants to abort she should have every right to

yes, if someone wants to die he should be able to ask for help, noone has the right to take the control of your life away

no, society began when we entrusted the government to protect and lead us so that we could survive and evolve, for that agreement to hold we need a government who will protect its people and to give the power to kill to that very establishment imo is wrong

yes, if youre in mortal danger ofc you should be able to defend yourself

yes, if you wanna die you can kill yourself its only logical

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

"True courage isn't knowing when to take a life, but knowing when to spare one" - Gandalf the Grey

So no killing is not ok. (human wise)

Lmao, the statement is from a fictional character. That's not very helpful, sorry

The only time I can think of that I would personally kill someone is if my life is threatened or the life of someone else. The offender will come to an abrupt end, let me assure you. I will also execute someone who just killed another person, their life expectancy just dropped to zero, and I can be somewhat of a vigilante at times. Crossing that line with me is basically a decision to commit suicide, which I'm cool with, I don't even charge for it. ^_^

Hehe, swell. It seems like what a normal person would do, I guess

War isn't "right" - but, when people (for whatever reasons they may have) decide to pose a threat to your way of living and you're resolved to defend that way - it's not at all wrong to take up the defense of your lifestyle.

In any War, there is always an oppressor and there is the oppressed. Obviously, the oppressed have the right to defend themselves and fight back the oppressor. While the oppressor still has time to surrender and ask for forgiveness while he is alive otherwise he'll just try to obliterate his opponent for a gain whether it be useful or not. For example, let's say in Palestine there is conflict between Muslim people and Jewish people(maybe Christians as well). Obviously, the Jewish people have better weapons, better technology and better military. So they should already be considered superior to the Muslims around them. What I've come to understand is that they're for some reason misusing their power and "bullying" the Muslim people whom they're supposed to be taking care of since they're also living in the same place. Because of this, they're clearly being perceived as the oppressors by alot of people including some Jewish people as well as Christians who're living among them and others. Some blame the Muslim people as the oppressors which is foolish, imprudent and probably racist. The Muslim people are weak, poor and have crap military. Why the hell would you say they are oppressors!? U_U

This is not a pretty one. It is not 'right' ... but by that same token, it's not right to force motherhood, either. Particularly in a world where we already have single-parenthood rapidly becoming the average.

You're right. I also feel bad for the situation of Women. It doesn't matter whether they may be our mother, daughter, wife or sister, the oppressed are in the same boat. It's clear that a tainted lifestyle has been established in the Western countries, well now pretty much the World and it's affecting everyone; boys and girls, men and women, elderly and the young. Social values are becoming even more disorientated now with outbreak of diseases like adultery which is morally unacceptable and fornication which makes you no different than an animal.

Generally, suicide is not right. While I may believe all incidents of suicide among the non-elderly are unjustified - I also am not able to make the choice to continue living for another person. I may believe there is still much for them to live for - but if they cannot see that and no one can show them ... then it's an unfortunate event traumatic for those close, but, again... you can't force someone to live.

I believe that people who commit suicide are driven to kill themselves because what they see or experience in society. What do you think? :shrug:

not at all, youre taking it below, but i dont think you understood me

what i stated was merely an unchangeable fact, what these people did does not change the fact itself only adds more reason to why reason is to blame

however we are only humans, i do not think it is expected of us to act like Angels. I quoted this "reason is to blamet" in a Universal point of view, my view would differ as a human being.

I understand what you're trying to say and before I go further in discussing this with you, I would like to know please what you can tell me about Homosexuality. I'm a li'l confused. Do you think people are born gay or become gay?

yes, abortion should be legal, if a woman wants to abort she should have every right to

yes, if someone wants to die he should be able to ask for help, noone has the right to take the control of your life away

no, society began when we entrusted the government to protect and lead us so that we could survive and evolve, for that agreement to hold we need a government who will protect its people and to give the power to kill to that very establishment imo is wrong

yes, if you wanna die you can kill yourself its only logical

But have you thought about the child. Some people say life is precious so you're not gonna get away with just aborting a child. Another thing, if it's the mother's choice and goes ahead with it, then this is likely to have social implications especially if she has a family, friends and neighbors. Same thing with euthanasia, it may have social implications on the victim's family, friends and/or neighbors.

May God forbid but what if one of your family members was murdered, it wasn't an accident and the criminal didn't have substantial evidence to say that he's innocent. Are you and the rest of your family gonna be satisfied with just prison as a means of him getting punished? U_U

It's not logical at all for a sane person just saying he wants to die and who isn't even devotedly religious because of course religious sacrifices like being martyred can be understood but just saying you wonna die out of the blues is abnormal and would clearly signal that you're facing a mountain of a problem.

 

[Olorin]

But have you thought about the child. Some people say life is precious so you're not gonna get away with just aborting a child. Another thing, if it's the mother's choice and goes ahead with it, then this is likely to have social implications especially if she has a family, friends and neighbors. Same thing with euthanasia, it may have social implications on the victim's family, friends and/or neighbors.

May God forbid but what if one of your family members was murdered, it wasn't an accident and the criminal didn't have substantial evidence to say that he's innocent. Are you and the rest of your family gonna be satisfied with just prison as a means of him getting punished? U_U

It's not logical at all for a sane person just saying he wants to die and who isn't even devotedly religious because of course religious sacrifices like being martyred can be understood but just saying you wonna die out of the blues is abnormal and would clearly signal that you're facing a mountain of a problem.

its not a vhild yet it doesnt even have a nervous system, and the social implications of other people dont matter as long as it is within law only the person whom it concerns should be able to make decisions

that is exactly why family members of victims arent judges and thats exactly why we have professional jurists

if someone who is sane or permanantly incapable of being sane and if it is his decision to die he should be able to die, wanting to die for religious reasons now that to me is crazy altough understandable seeing how powerful religion can be in ones personality

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

its not a vhild yet it doesnt even have a nervous system, and the social implications of other people dont matter as long as it is within law only the person whom it concerns should be able to make decisions

that is exactly why family members of victims arent judges and thats exactly why we have professional jurists

if someone who is sane or permanantly incapable of being sane and if it is his decision to die he should be able to die, wanting to die for religious reasons now that to me is crazy altough understandable seeing how powerful religion can be in ones personality

Sure, but that person would still be hated by her family, maybe friends and/or neighbors. I mean it's like saying a person wearing a freakish costume downtown in front of the public is supposed to be respected. The person themselve may not see the costume as funny and stupid but people will. It's a cruel world we're living in today, and maybe this will wake you up. I would like you to see this thread and tell me what you think.

You must be registered for see links

< Maybe they are the reason for such a corrupt and cruel world^

These days, even Criminal Justice Systems around the world are somewhat controversial. The word "Justice" especially. There are always some people who aren't given Justice, which means there is alot of deception involved in these systems which have been initiated globally. I still don't understand their view of Morality since Justice is supposed to be comprised of this, however these systems use deceitful means of catching criminals and crooks which makes them no different to them. In other words, they stoop down to their level in order to get them which results in the word "Justice" to be nullified.

Being allowed to take your own life or not is up to you, you're right. However, it is a case of having morality not just being religious even though religion accompanies this. I know a few atheists here in the US which have a heart, understand morality and have respect for everyone. A person like that would atleast help out the person in sorrow and grief who wants to take their life. They should get professional advice and assistance. Nevertheless, it would always occur to the person trying to help out "who or what was the cause of this?" Again it's to do with this tainted culture and lifestyle existing in our World and if you see the link I provided it may be helpful.

 

[Olorin]

Sure, but that person would still be hated by her family, maybe friends and/or neighbors. I mean it's like saying a person wearing a freakish costume downtown in front of the public is supposed to be respected. The person themselve may not see the costume as funny and stupid but people will. It's a cruel world we're living in today, and maybe this will wake you up. I would like you to see this thread and tell me what you think.

You must be registered for see links

< Maybe they are the reason for such a corrupt and cruel world^

These days, even Criminal Justice Systems around the world are somewhat controversial. The word "Justice" especially. There are always some people who aren't given Justice, which means there is alot of deception involved in these systems which have been initiated globally. I still don't understand their view of Morality since Justice is supposed to be comprised of this, however these systems use deceitful means of catching criminals and crooks which makes them no different to them. In other words, they stoop down to their level in order to get them which results in the word "Justice" to be nullified.

Being allowed to take your own life or not is up to you, you're right. However, it is a case of having morality not just being religious even though religion accompanies this. I know a few atheists here in the US which have a heart, understand morality and have respect for everyone. A person like that would atleast help out the person in sorrow and grief who wants to take their life. They should get professional advice and assistance. Nevertheless, it would always occur to the person trying to help out "who or what was the cause of this?" Again it's to do with this tainted culture and lifestyle existing in our World and if you see the link I provided it may be helpful.

haha if only i wasnt too emberassed too tell my sis im on this forum (manga is kinda my guilty pleasure ), shes a lawyer (well 3rd year student) and she would love to have a laugh and slam your justice argument all the way down to hell

i really dont wanna waste time on this but the justice system in the western countries works pretty well

also:

ILLUMINATI DOESNT EXIST, CRAZY PEOPLE ON THE WEB THAT HAVE TOO MUCH TIME AND SPEND TOO LITTLE TIME READING FACTS OR ... YOU KNOW ... NEWS INVENTED THEM!!!

no wonder so many politicians are acting like idiots if they have to convince an electorate that believes in such nonsense as illuminati controlling the world

PS once i opened the illuminati page i closed it and read the rest of your post only half heartedly

 

[YowYan]

haha if only i wasnt too emberassed too tell my sis im on this forum (manga is kinda my guilty pleasure ), shes a lawyer (well 3rd year student) and she would love to have a laugh and slam your justice argument all the way down to hell

i really dont wanna waste time on this but the justice system in the western countries works pretty well

also:

ILLUMINATI DOESNT EXIST, CRAZY PEOPLE ON THE WEB THAT HAVE TOO MUCH TIME AND SPEND TOO LITTLE TIME READING FACTS OR ... YOU KNOW ... NEWS INVENTED THEM!!!

no wonder so many politicians are acting like idiots if they have to convince an electorate that believes in such nonsense as illuminati controlling the world

PS once i opened the illuminati page i closed it and read the rest of your post only half heartedly

You have absolutely zero understanding of the very word (illuminati) you're dismissing right now. Same goes for many kids online who claim they do. Blabbering about kanye west and stuff. Like I said earlier, just stay quiet when you know squat. I didn't read the other post you replied to with this one, I just noticed the enlarged letters part.

 

[Kuromori]

Killing animals for food-

If I was starving for food, and I saw a tasty, fat, happy cow walking by, and I had a weapon....yeah that cow is dead. xD I guess in a larger sense, I have always felt that the life of a human being is more valuable than the life of any other animal. Hence, I don't think I would think twice about killing an animal if I needed to eat. If a wild animal was hungry to the point of death and it was a carnivore (or another animal, for that matter?), I think the question has to be raised: would this animal think twice about trying to kill and eat me if it was on the brink of starvation?

Killing animals for medical purposes-

Once again, if I myself or one of my loved ones were ailing and I saw an animal I could kill to obtain the cure, I don't think I would hesitate in delivering my death blow. I can see how this might be seen as selfish, but I really do value my right to live and the right of other human beings to live over that of a wild animal.

People dying in War

I think as long as there are conflicts of interests, there will be war. The soldiers that are sent off to fight these wars are trained to be merciless towards their enemies. Every soldier wants to stay alive. I think the idea here is, "I don't want to kill you, but if I don't kill you, you're going to kill me, and I don't want to die." Hence, I think that killings in war are almost always in a way self-defense, and hence justified.

Getting an Abortion-

I can see how this might be justified, in the case of rape or sexual abuse, but I disagree with having late abortions/certain forms of abortion which are cruel and unnecessarily painful.

Assisted Suicide/Euthanasia-

I think this really depends on the situation. If the other person is really suffering and has no chance of recovery, then maybe.

Death Penalty-

The way I see it, this should only be applicable to cases of straight-up murder, the idea here being, "You took away someone else's chance to live, so your life is forfeit. Equal."
Self-Defence-

I think this is completely justified. I mean, if the other person(s) made the choice to kill you, and you have no means of escape, are you just supposed to stand there and let them kill you?
Suicide-

I don't believe this is justified at all, and is a very selfish choice. There are so many options for help in these situations, and by making this choice, you are hurting so many people in ways you can't even begin to imagine. Definitely a no from me here.

 

[Olorin]

You have absolutely zero understanding of the very word (illuminati) you're dismissing right now. Same goes for many kids online who claim they do. Blabbering about kanye west and stuff. Like I said earlier, just stay quiet when you know squat. I didn't read the other post you replied to with this one, I just noticed the enlarged letters part.

this is exactly the kind of electorate i was referring to

 

[Xlad]

It's wrong if you do it for no good reasons. Doing it out of pleasure and excitement or anger and hate are a no-no.

 

[PhazoN]

Killing animals for food - Yes.
Killing animals for medical purposes - If there's no other way...
People dying in War - Soldiers can kill themselves all they want, but innocent people should never be targeted.
Getting an Abortion - In some situations.
Assisted Suicide/Euthanasia - If there's no way of recovering and the person is living in pain.
Death Penalty - Yes.
Self-Defence - If necessary.
Suicide - No.

 

[Nonomi]

No except for the moment when someone tries to take yours
even though self-defense doesn't need to be deadly.​