bluestone123
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I think guren could do close combat, going up against kakashi.
And could you explain how present mizukage can beat guren?
And could you explain how present mizukage can beat guren?
Is guren the strongest female character in naruto?(kaguya not in)
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If Guren touches Tsunade or Sakura once, they die through crystallization.
Guren can crystallize Mei's lava, acid, or water. Without her ninjutsu Mei's useless.
Guren crystallized Shino's bugs before they even touched her. She could do the same to Konan's paper and send it back at her.
Apart from Kaguya, the only female I can think of that might possibly beat her is Kurenai. If her genjutsu works then it's GG. I guess that the female Jinchurikis would all have a chance too.
Guren can crystallize Mei's lava, acid, or water. Without her ninjutsu Mei's useless.
Guren crystallized Shino's bugs before they even touched her. She could do the same to Konan's paper and send it back at her.
Apart from Kaguya, the only female I can think of that might possibly beat her is Kurenai. If her genjutsu works then it's GG. I guess that the female Jinchurikis would all have a chance too.
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Sadly yeah she's probably the strongest. She just has to beat out Tsunade and Mei. Of the two only Mei can act as a significant threat because Taijutsu matches up badly with Guren. Then its a question of Lava/Mist Acid vs Crystal.
Yet she's non canon...sad.
Yet she's non canon...sad.
SuperChief
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One of, but definitely not the.
Konan, Tsunade, Mei and Sakura are all stronger. Guren would make top 5, prolly.
Konan, Tsunade, Mei and Sakura are all stronger. Guren would make top 5, prolly.
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bluestone123
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Since guren is a filler and is bullshit to you, then tell me what makes the canon characters she can beat. Worse than bullshit?
bluestone123
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Oh and if someone says tsunade, mei, sakura or konan can defeat guren please say how. cause i dont see anyway they can.
In the narutoverse a character doesn't get reputation for on-screen, situational feats.
I'm pretty sure that the Hokage, the Hokage's carbon copy, the Mizukage and an S-level Akatsuki criminal (whose job is to catch what Guren couldn't handle; and its implied she can do it even if she doesn't have the necessary feats) all stand above the girl whom Oro had no trouble keeping around as a subordinate.
Even if we go by feats, there's no way her Crystal Release is stronger than Susanoo, which Tsunade broke and Mei melted. Konan could outsmart or feint her, dunno...
Guren also has huge chakra reserves with her ability to trade her life force for chakra. She also had a crystal barrier that Sakura couldn't break through, a crystal seal strong enough to suppress the Sanbi for a while, the ability to make crystal clones, a crystal shield the Sanbi couldn't break through, the ability to make limitless crystal weapons, and the ability to focus a ray of light through her crystal that burns the target. There's also the fact that she can crystallize the air moisture, allowing her to create projectiles in the air around her and her opponent.
bluestone123
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I mean if guren were to fight mei or konan. Guren could beat them, not by using feats to gage their abilities.
Mei cant do anything to beat guren since guren can crystallize lava and other liquid bases, turning them to her own weapons and thats pretty much all mei can do since all her attacks are liquids.
Guren can crystallize paper and then disperse the crystals but konan could outsmart her so the fight could go either way.
Mei cant do anything to beat guren since guren can crystallize lava and other liquid bases, turning them to her own weapons and thats pretty much all mei can do since all her attacks are liquids.
Guren can crystallize paper and then disperse the crystals but konan could outsmart her so the fight could go either way.
Or you could reply to my other post and tell me how any of them beat Guren. Keep in mind that you'd have to counter every technique that I mentioned.
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If you really want me to >_>
I was going to make other points about this, but i'll just leave this quote from narutopedia: "The Crystal Release, though powerful, has two known weaknesses, the first being that it cannot crystallise either raw energy or chakra as they have no physical mass to crystallise, allowing a person with either energy-based techniques, such lightning, fire, wind, or good chakra control to properly counter it."
Coincidently, the quote above also counters this. Both lava and acid make use of fire, which Guren can't crytallize.
Hell, even Naruto and Gamatatsu's collaboration jutsu proved to be stronger.
And if you pay enough attention to the little things, you'll realise Mei is more than just a lava and water tap
Don't reduce Konan to Shino's level. She's got enough skill to clash with Jiraiya (the man who wouldn't hesitate to fight Oro as a fellow S-rank, while Guren would most likely be paralyzed with killing intent alone) at the same time and stalemate in a paper and fire trade.
Shino's fighting style doesn't even encourage direct combat, its no surprise he got countered so easily. If he was in Konan's place i bet he would be burnt along with his insects.
There's a clear difference in level, skill, style, AoE, attack speed, power and most importantly, portrayal. Shino's inferiority doesn't suggest in any way that Konan would be made a sitting duck.
Point? T&S have a Yin Seal both (no contest here), Mei has been spitting giant and powerful jutsus for hours (her status as a kage alone implies she has above average reserves, along with her giant and powerful jutsus) and Konan powered up billions of explosions for ten minutes non-stop and could still continue to battle (also, similar to Mei, her S-rank status alone implies her reserves are abundant).
Trading her life force is a desperate move that can only power up one attack, after that she's out of comission. Not a great thing.
Did she have her Yin Seal at that point? Even Tsunade who's weaker than current Sakura could one-shot that barrier... Unless you think its Susanoo level of course.
Would've been very useful against Kakashi, Naruto and Shino, yet, she opted for a defensive stance.
Which even Hinata could defeat... These girls are way above her level.
Even Hashi's clones (which are among the best clone jutsus) are substantially weaker than the original. I can only imagine how weaker Guren's are.
What exactly are you talking about? IIRC Guren was no match for the Sanbi in any way. Everything she used was ineffective or overpowered.
Which are not killing T or S, maybe not even hitting once, can be washed away by Mei's Suiton or simply let go through Konan's paper body.
A last ditch effort which can be tanked by the medics, avoided by Konan and maybe overpowered by Mei (or she can simply jump aside).
What's so great about this jutsu anyway. Its just one of the many Guren has, definitely not the best.
Again, the medics tank or avoid, Mei can overpower with Suiton and Konan doesn't care.
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Oh gosh! I really wasn't expecting a reply. Well, here goes...
The bolded is the key part, which I'll move onto soon. T and S would only be able to survive if they had knowledge on Guren's jutsu, and only if they were able to release chakra from all of their chakra points at the same time, which in all honesty they could probably do. It would still require knowledge though. If Mei got caught she'd be done for.
The bolded part comes in here. It says that she can't crystallize things with mass. I don't know a whole lot about how fire works, so I can't really comment on that. Lightning is just a stream of electrons, and electrons have no mass. Wind is obvious. Chakra isn't real.Coincidently, the quote above also counters this. Both lava and acid make use of fire, which Guren can't crytallize.
Hell, even Naruto and Gamatatsu's collaboration jutsu proved to be stronger.
And if you pay enough attention to the little things, you'll realise Mei is more than just a lava and water tap
Lava is just rock heated to the point that it melts, and lava definitely has mass. Also Guren crystallized their collaboration ninjutsu when it was used against her and then turned it into a crystal dragon. Acid definitely has mass, and can be crystallized, just like the water vapour in the air.
Has Mei done anything other than spout out liquids?... that could be taken in more ways than one.
This isn't Orochimaru vs 3 genins. There's no way that she'd be paralyzed by killing intent, considering she adores Orochimaru, has killed countless people in cold blood, and beat Kakashi in combat.
Also, just because Konan is way more skilled than Shino, it doesn't change the fact that all of her paper can be crystallized. Guren also has crystal armor, negating any paper projectiles apart from paper bombs, which can be crystallized and which she's only been seen to be carrying when she has prep time.
There's no evidence that she can only trade it for one attack. She said she was just trading a little life force, and that let her unleash a barrage of abilities in a frenzied state. She wouldn't lose from stamina exhaustion easily.
You're right on this. I doubt it'd be able to stop Tsunade or Sakura. It could stop Mei and Konan though.
True, but clones are clones. They can be used to distract or apply pressure. If a clone can touch Mei, GG. Same for T and S if they have no info. The clone could also crystallize Konan's paper.
I'm mainly talking about the Crystal fruit she used to protect Yuukimaru, which wouldn't do much in combat tbh.
True.
True, it wouldn't do much.
Again, the medics tank or avoid, Mei can overpower with Suiton and Konan doesn't care.[/QUOTE]
It's been shown that she can create spikes of crystal behind her opponent and fire them. This could give Mei a lot of trouble.
You miscalculated. I usually deliver U_U
Hinata had no knowledge whatsoever. She came up with a counter on the spot.
I'll be honest. I realized that but i was hoping you didn't notice >_> I did mention i had other points to make though.
Yes, Hinata only did that because her KKG allows her to expel chakra from every tenketsu, but, she's not the only one who can use a jutsu from every part of her body.
T&S not only have better chakra control, their Yin Seal extends throughout their body, pumping them with chakra and allowing them to use Creation Rebirth on every part of their body. This makes me believe they can replicate what she did.
Regarding Mei.
Guren can't just trap opponents in a bunch of crystal (unless its a bunch of clueless and nobodies who used to be Oro's lab rats ofc). Even Hinata was only caught because a clone fooled her. There were many times where that ability would've been useful, yet it didn't happen.
She'll never pull that off against a high-level opponent, especially a kage.
Yeah well, i'm no science guy either, i just take what narutopedia says on this subject.
In the narutoverse, lava is the combination of Katon and Doton chakra and vapour is the combination of Katon and Suiton chakra. Its different, its not melted rock or actual vapour, both are new element with properties from both chakra based components.
If it contains Katon chakra, the jutsu is not getting crystallized.
It was just a side remark, wasn't part of my argument here. I meant what i claimed though.
How do you think Orochimaru keeps his hundreds of 'pets' under control. He can't just rely on manipulation, especially when he gets sick. Rebellion isn't an option, i'm positive he can paralyze anyone other than Kabuto (and even Kabuto sometimes seems uneasy around Oro).
You really think Guren just crytallizes everything and its done? If things were like that she would've defeated everyone during her filler arc.
Konan is way more overwhelming than Shino, in fact Shino isn't even overwhelming at all while she can be depending on who she's fighting. If Guren goes for a defensive stance that means she's getting pressured or is going to try CQC. Both means she's at a disadvantage whoever is the girl we want to discuss.
Paper bombs are standard weaponry in Naruto. Anybody can use them. She only needs prep for her explosive ocean.
If she's trading her life force for chakra that means she's out of chakra and is pushing her body beyhond her limits by finding another source of power. That's a last ditch effort and means she's done for (she fainted right after using that).
If Mei can melt a Susanoo, she can also melt tha barrier.
Using it against Konan won't help her at all since she can't attack either if that's the case.
Its exactly because they're clones that they won't work. They're useful to get intel, not to directly take down an opponent (especially when the opponent is more skilled and stronger). Back in part 1 Jiraiya stated Naruto's clones were useless against Oro & Kabuto because of this.
There's no way a kage level shinobi is getting pressured by clones of this level.
Why Mei? ._.
If anything, Guren is the one who'll need to watch out for Mei's deadly and wide jutsus. She's not the one who would be on the defensive.
bluestone123
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Isnt lava style just using fire style and earth style together, combining it. It could be justing the adding of fire style to melt the earth style thus creating lava. Also, Mei used it to seal up a wall during the fight with sasuke, the lava turned to rock after awhile, cooling down, so thus proving lava style is just rock in the liquid state and can be crystallized.
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Guren the distance relative of Guren Lagan from TTGL series
OT: It seem in the movie she is very powerful