Is God real ??

Status
Not open for further replies.

Sharingan King

Banned
Regular
Joined
Apr 20, 2014
Messages
1,120
Reaction score
126
This is a completely circular arguement. Thousands of years of human history and nt a single peice of concrete evidence to suggest god is real or that he has intervened in modern times. If there was legitimate evidence of his existence then there wouldn't be a debate everyone would just believe.

You could argue that Jesus came down and died for everyone's sins, but that will just draw attention to how flawed the bible is.
Why did Jesus have to die? Why did god create sin in the first place if he knew it was something that needs cleansing? Did he do it just so he could knock off Jesus? Doesn't sound very 'all loving' to me. But then again gods supposed interventions have never really made much sense, to busy helping people win American idol instead of payin attention to the natural disasters, famine, disease and murderers/ phedophiles he made.

Just to add to your post:

Why did an all-knowing god create Satan?

Why do people go to hell if jesus died for everyone's sins?

Why did god punish adam and eve when they didn't even know right from wrong? They learnt good and bad after eating the fruit!
 

G e m i n i

Member
Joined
Jun 26, 2014
Messages
81
Reaction score
2
Why dose it matter?

If you believe in God then believe, I do even though I do wonder how that all came to be. But what matter does it make? Human kind hasnt proven anything, so why should I question the power of god himself?
if you don't believe then why are you so worried to have proof of his and his sond existence?
 

Takure

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
May 31, 2012
Messages
1,261
Reaction score
176
God is the Universe. And the Universe is him. We're God's children, and also the Universe's children. God, is everything, everywhere and at all times. So is the universe. We will never comprehend God, as we will never comprehend the Universe. God doesn't have a creator, like the Universe and has always existed because there must always be something. But, for there to be something, it must be observed. If people stop observing God, he would vanish because there is no one observing him. It's the same with the Universe. (We know this because of ).

The difference between the two? Nothing. It all depends how you look at it.

The answer stares many people in the face, why is that it's ignored?
 
Last edited:

Punk Hazard

Sage of Six Posts 🔮
Immortal
Joined
Apr 21, 2011
Messages
59,557
Reaction score
4,729
Yeah, I know that bruh. An example for that is, the evolution of dogs. 'Dogs evolve from wolves' and it illustrates that Evolution really does happen! What I am trying is that, how did humans evolve?

Basically, whatever the ancestor for humans was, it traveled. It found a new environment, and either had to adapt or die. Those that were able to adapt passed on their genes. When their offspring came about, they had their parents and the genes of their parents, both of which increased its chances of survival. Then, those that survived passed on their genes, and it happened over and over. As time went on, passing on these genes, and the new genes acquired from mates, all of which are meant to increase survival, led to changes in the offspring, gradual changes. This is adaptation, which breeds natural selection, which results in evolution.
 

Gatsuuga

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jul 31, 2011
Messages
6,239
Reaction score
1,031
You know the person who enforced christianity hated jesus, but because of his(jesus) popularity he legalized it and created the ideas for modern Christians, so maybe he edited his story for this same reaction from many..smart man.

Are you saying modern Christianity is founded on lies and edited text based on peoples own self interests?

Also you never answered any of the questions, you just dodged them like many before when faced with a logical arguement. But I have faith *pshh*
 

LordNarutoSo6P

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Apr 3, 2014
Messages
1,743
Reaction score
83
you believe in god because you don't know where humans come from, so where does god come from?

Where does God come from? You, mean who created him? Okay, so let me ask you this... "WHO CREATED THE UNIVERSE?". Right
Just answer that one question then, we proceed.
 

Takure

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
May 31, 2012
Messages
1,261
Reaction score
176
Why did god punish adam and eve when they didn't even know right from wrong? They learnt good and bad after eating the fruit!

Because he wanted to keep us caged in heaven. Though, satan tempted us, in the process giving us our free will. For that, we were banished and humanity has been punished for it ever since. To get back into heaven, you have to thrown away your free will and submt like an innocent child.
 
Last edited:

Javaweb

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
3,789
Reaction score
256
Just to add to your post:

Why did an all-knowing god create Satan?

Why do people go to hell if jesus died for everyone's sins?

Why did god punish adam and eve when they didn't even know right from wrong? They learnt good and bad after eating the fruit!

God ain't created Satan
People sins were forgiven but people still did bad stuff afterwards
They did know right from wrong
 

LordRaikage

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Mar 30, 2011
Messages
6,944
Reaction score
661
Just to add to your post:

Why did an all-knowing god create Satan?

Why do people go to hell if jesus died for everyone's sins?

Why did god punish adam and eve when they didn't even know right from wrong? They learnt good and bad after eating the fruit!

ha no

you don't know much about religion do you.
 

Black Mamba

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Jun 6, 2014
Messages
1,462
Reaction score
108
Where does God come from? You, mean who created him? Okay, so let me ask you this... "WHO CREATED THE UNIVERSE?". Right
Just answer that one question then, we proceed.

say if god created the universe. who created god?
 

Javaweb

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
3,789
Reaction score
256
This is a completely circular arguement. Thousands of years of human history and nt a single peice of concrete evidence to suggest god is real or that he has intervened in modern times. If there was legitimate evidence of his existence then there wouldn't be a debate everyone would just believe.

You could argue that Jesus came down and died for everyone's sins, but that will just draw attention to how flawed the bible is.
Why did Jesus have to die? Why did god create sin in the first place if he knew it was something that needs cleansing? Did he do it just so he could knock off Jesus? Doesn't sound very 'all loving' to me. But then again gods supposed interventions have never really made much sense, to busy helping people win American idol instead of payin attention to the natural disasters, famine, disease and murderers/ phedophiles he made.



If you actually knew anything about evolution then you would know that you just said probably the most idiotic thing any can when trying to explain evolution. It does not work like that and no evolutionary biologist or someone with a basic high school education of evolution would tell you that.

Jesus had to die because he was destined to be the savior of the world
God didn't create sin
Knock off Jesus? He still with him in heaven
 

Punk Hazard

Sage of Six Posts 🔮
Immortal
Joined
Apr 21, 2011
Messages
59,557
Reaction score
4,729
God ain't created Satan
People sins were forgiven but people still did bad stuff afterwards
They did know right from wrong

God created the angel that would become Satan, and he knew that he would, yet God chose to create him anyway. God could have simply not created him and stopped the problem from ever happening.

If the sins afterwards aren't forgiven, then what was the point of Jesus' sacrifice when God knows they would have continued?

They didn't. The fruit was from the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Bad. They didn't know the difference from good and bad, or right and wrong, which is why being naked never bothered them until they ate the fruit.

If God didn't create sin, who did? And why did God allow such a thing to exist? Why did God need a sacrifice, why didn't he just remove sin since he wanted to? Who was saying to God, the supreme authority of all the universe "No you can't do this, or I'll punish you."
 

sacmador

Member
Joined
May 13, 2012
Messages
144
Reaction score
9
What is prooving? How can you say that a proof is really a proof?

In science, proof is not something entirely created from nothing instead it just means making some new coherent stuffs by using the ones which are accepted to be true or the ones which are coherent with the ones found before. Axioms then predicates then some big ones and theories and laws, it goes on. They are prone to change.

In reality, you decide according to your logic perception. When you can't figure out something, you can just escape from it by not caring about it or by denying it or you can try hard to figure it. In anyway, you end up with believing in something. Believing in its nonexistence, its existence, its logic, its benefit, its power, its poverty, its comfort, its fun... Whatever you say or you do, you find yourself in believing some stuff. It naturally happens.

Then, there will always be some portion of your lifetime you find yourself in thinking about universe, life, death, creator, beginning, ending... hard topics. If you are lucky, what i mean is that if you haven't had a prejudice against some religions saying about one God and afterlife, you can just dive in them with enthusiasm to search the truth, to find some answers, to find the way to satisfy your thoughts; otherwise you will deny them by saying they are in our world just due to scare some people, to control some, to get power, to get monopoly over ideas or just by saying naa nevermind YOLO...

Searching with the will of finding the truth is what the most important one is in my opinion.
 
Last edited:

Gatsuuga

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jul 31, 2011
Messages
6,239
Reaction score
1,031
Because he wanted to keep us caged in heaven. Though, satan tempted us, in the process giving us our free will. For that, we were banished and humanity has been punished for it ever since. To get back into heaven, you have to thrown away your free will and submt like an innocent child.

Satan gives people free will and allows them to think for themselves. God on the otherhand who is all knowing and created satan punishes humans for enacting this free will, and slanders satan everywhere. Never here a peep out of satan - kinda sounds like he is the bigger man.
 

LordNarutoSo6P

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Apr 3, 2014
Messages
1,743
Reaction score
83
Basically, whatever the ancestor for humans was, it traveled. It found a new environment, and either had to adapt or die. Those that were able to adapt passed on their genes. When their offspring came about, they had their parents and the genes of their parents, both of which increased its chances of survival. Then, those that survived passed on their genes, and it happened over and over. As time went on, passing on these genes, and the new genes acquired from mates, all of which are meant to increase survival, led to changes in the offspring, gradual changes. This is adaptation, which breeds natural selection, which results in evolution.

But, still, there are many questions in natural selection that needs an answer/proof. Like, where did all living and non-living organisms really started? And so on, that's why, I find it a big blurred mess...
 

NarutoB

Sannin of the Scrolls 📜
Elite
Joined
Jul 24, 2011
Messages
9,383
Reaction score
758
God dammit I always miss the good shit
 

Punk Hazard

Sage of Six Posts 🔮
Immortal
Joined
Apr 21, 2011
Messages
59,557
Reaction score
4,729
But, still, there are many questions in natural selection that needs an answer/proof. Like, where did all living and non-living organisms really started? And so on, that's why, I find it a big blurred mess...

That we don't know. Life originated in water, so, the answer lies there.
 

Black Mamba

Jōnin Strategist 🧠
Regular
Joined
Jun 6, 2014
Messages
1,462
Reaction score
108
no one, God created all things

ot: i strongly believe God is real

you believe in god cause you think the universe had to be created by something, but then you say no one created god. that's a contradiction.
 

riley freeman

Anbu Operative 🎭
Veteran
Joined
Jun 11, 2013
Messages
4,982
Reaction score
305
There is also proof, in less developed nations or undeveloped nations, where their isnt good medication, pastors pray for people to be healed and they are healed, so there you have it
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top