[Discussion] Is God a mystery or a man?

[Izou Xaxa]

Why Christianity turned me off was because it's too complicated. Why would God have to do all of that to prove it's existence to its creations? Not only that, but then leave all these questions of it's legitimacy for people to argue over.

If anything it's proven to me that God creates things that are simple, but profound. Like water is such a simple thing, but it serves all of these purposes, it's literally two elements. Or like the sun, it seems like just a ball of fire floating in space, but it accomplishes so much. Or even life and how things come into existence, it's mostly a simple process but it reaps all of these possibilities and circumstances that could possibly affect the world greatly.

Just my thoughts though, not trying to debate.

How did water appear and other things it is possible that is God but honestly i would not quetsion God too much

We all possess powers of God.

No God >>>>> Humans why is he called God when humans get close

that makes no sense

God is allmighty and huamns not end of the stroy

Actually heaven is not a place ppl go when they die. Ecc. 9:5

When ppl die they simply cease to function though there are a few that are reborn as angels.

As for what angels are made of if u r relating it to our physical realm then there is no way one can know what they r composed of.

Human beings themselves are made in god's image though.

Well that goes for Christians but in Islam people go to heaven or better said to paardise after tehy die and the eveil people get sent to hell

There are two options hell or paradies

But i do not think humans after death become angels

Well differnent believes

 

[BrillyMac]

Heaven isn't a state of mind...well not in Christianity. U can call your happy place heaven if u want though.

Also being in god's image doesn't mean physically. We have a similar mental make up

Similar=/=same

God>>> man

Where did you hear that we only had a similar mental makeup? Did you just assume that? It said "image" and "likeness". I'm sure you knwo what an image is. The image is the physical while the likeness is the spiritual/mental

But if you're talking about the source of all things, it would have to always have been. But that's not something we can conceptualize because we only know of things coming into existence from another.

But yeah that's where my brain starts to hurt and I stop thinking about it.

Yes! You get it! But when God created himself that was an original thought because it was the first thought. Unfortunately there was no person or reference point to record Gods creation because he was the first thing to exist. And that could mean he was creating himself for eons of time before a reference point could have even been created

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Where did you hear that we only had a similar mental makeup? Did you just assume that? It said "image" and "likeness". I'm sure you knwo what an image is. The image is the physical while the likeness is the spiritual/mental

Read a comment i made above.
You are the weakest muslim in knowledge i have ever meet(from those who have read Qur'an).

 

[Izou Xaxa]

God wants you to ask him questions. That's in so many scriptures.
I agree with you except for the fact that you said God can't be a man. You then contradicted yourself by saying God is trith and knowledge and then said only people who believe in him can feel him. God is like electricity. Our bodies out his conductors. This is what I believe. The knowledge and wisdom of God will always be here but it will always need a conductor

Electricity as an example .....Science huh? God as nothing to d with Science

I said no matter how much you try you cannot find out with that way

With man i mean God is not a human on Earth otherwise that would amke hima mortal which he is not

A God must be differnet he cannot be a human

Yes my grandparents knew when tehy died and siad God is with us and they died so they truly believed but a damm ISIS member will never feel him they think they belive in him but they do not

That electricity just freaks me out because it reminds me of the Science

And i kinda find it interesting but Science has nothing to do with Religion

Religion goes into the spiritual location of life

God is the creatoer he cannot have fuel

and actually no offense again but why you question God too much? It is worth nothing

 

[BrillyMac]

Electricity as an example .....Science huh? God as nothing to d with Science

I said no matter how much you try you cannot find out with that way

With man i mean God is not a human on Earth otherwise that would amke hima mortal which he is not

A God must be differnet he cannot be a human

Yes my grandparents knew when tehy died and siad God is with us and they died so they truly believed but a damm ISIS member will never feel him they think they belive in him but they do not

That electricity just freaks me out because it reminds me of the Science

And i kinda find it interesting but Science has nothing to do with Religion

Religion goes into the spiritual location of life

God is the creatoer he cannot have fuel

and actually no offense again but why you question God too much? It is worth nothing

You are giving the true definition of a spook God. If God was some mysterious space cadet we would not benefit from that because he woudnt be a material being

An Angel as a messenger.
Angels can take form of Human.
But if it comes to God...
Qur'an opposes that.
You are not a muslim if you believe in this way.
Also whoever tells a lie about Allah intentionally his place will be hellfire.
If you continue to believe god is like electricity then you are a close to get a ticket to hell.
God would never take the form of a human,God can do anything but he wont take it...
Cause if he become a man then he is a perfect and imperfect being at the same time and this makes no sense.

Man is imperfect because when God created himself he was imperfect. He created himself out of impatience or haste because of the great pain in creating himself. The evidence that God is or I shoulda say was imperfect is we are imperfect. If we are created in his image and likeness and we are imperfect than so is he or was he. And coming in the form of a man doesn't make him imperfect. Why worship a God that cannot see or will never see and hate your fellow brothers and sisters that you see everyday? They are gods with little g's and have the God with a big G potential.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Man is imperfect because when God created himself he was imperfect. He created himself out of impatience or haste because of the great pain in creating himself. The evidence that God is or I shoulda say was imperfect is we are imperfect. If we are created in his image and likeness and we are imperfect than so is he or was he. And coming in the form of a man doesn't make him imperfect. Why worship a God that cannot see or will never see and hate your fellow brothers and sisters that you see everyday? They are gods with little g's and have the God with a big G potential.

You are a Kafir(Unbeliever).
You are a Non-Muslim and i can bet with my head.
Bye...

 

[Gerkak]

Man is imperfect because when God created himself he was imperfect. He created himself out of impatience or haste because of the great pain in creating himself. The evidence that God is or I shoulda say was imperfect is we are imperfect. If we are created in his image and likeness and we are imperfect than so is he or was he. And coming in the form of a man doesn't make him imperfect. Why worship a God that cannot see or will never see and hate your fellow brothers and sisters that you see everyday? They are gods with little g's and have the God with a big G potential.

So in your view God isn't omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent?

 

[TenseiganFTW]

So in your view God isn't omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent?

What is your religion bro

 

[Gerkak]

What is your religion bro

Hmm that isn't easy to answer.

 

[BrillyMac]

Electricity as an example .....Science huh? God as nothing to d with Science

I said no matter how much you try you cannot find out with that way

With man i mean God is not a human on Earth otherwise that would amke hima mortal which he is not

A God must be differnet he cannot be a human

Yes my grandparents knew when tehy died and siad God is with us and they died so they truly believed but a damm ISIS member will never feel him they think they belive in him but they do not

That electricity just freaks me out because it reminds me of the Science

And i kinda find it interesting but Science has nothing to do with Religion

Religion goes into the spiritual location of life

God is the creatoer he cannot have fuel

and actually no offense again but why you question God too much? It is worth nothing

An Angel as a messenger.
Angels can take form of Human.
But if it comes to God...
Qur'an opposes that.
You are not a muslim if you believe in this way.
Also whoever tells a lie about Allah intentionally his place will be hellfire.
If you continue to believe god is like electricity then you are a close to get a ticket to hell.
God would never take the form of a human,God can do anything but he wont take it...
Cause if he become a man then he is a perfect and imperfect being at the same time and this makes no sense.

So in your view God isn't omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent?

You are a Kafir(Unbeliever).
You are a Non-Muslim and i can bet with my head.
Bye...

I do believe he is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.
TenseiganFTW you have not read the Quran much and if you have then you are definitely not practicing it. Calling me a disbeliever because I believe God is a man and is in man? Lmfao walk off of a building

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Yes! You get it! But when God created himself that was an original thought because it was the first thought. Unfortunately there was no person or reference point to record Gods creation because he was the first thing to exist. And that could mean he was creating himself for eons of time before a reference point could have even been created

@bold: See that's what I'm talking about, your brain literally will not allow to understand the concept of something having never been created by something. Because in that case you listed, where did the thought come from? How can you think yourself into creation if you don't exist?

It's not something we can understand because in our reality that concept doesn't exist.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

I do believe he is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.

You called youself Muslim.
You are Lying.1st pillar of Islam is Shahada:
There is no God except Allah,and Mohammed is his Messenger.
You said Gods or small gods.
You are a "pagan" not "monotheist".
You are not a Muslim...

 

[TenseiganFTW]

I do believe he is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.
TenseiganFTW you have not read the Quran much and if you have then you are definitely not practicing it. Calling me a disbeliever because I believe God is a man and is in man? Lmfao walk off of a building

I am religious and trying to learn Qur'an off by heart.
You can't sell your lies to me...

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

You called youself Muslim.
You are Lying.1st pillar of Islam is Shahada:
There is no God except Allah,and Mohammed is his Messenger.
You said Gods or small gods.
You are a "pagan" not "monotheist".
You are not a Muslim...

I'm detecting a No True Scotsman fallacy here.

 

[Gerkak]

I do believe he is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.

An omnipotent being can't be imperfect

An omnipresent being must have always existed there can never be a time that said being never existed, so the concept of God creating himself makes no sense.

An omniscient being knows all past, present and future...the physical, the meta-physical and beyond. As such there can never be a time when God was/is not aware of something.

There is no such thing as an imperfect Omnipotent, nor can there be a time when God did not exist since God is said to have created all things including concepts like creation and existence thus God must have always been and exists outside the concept of creation and existence that mortals are a part of.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

I'm detecting a No True Scotsman fallacy here.

He is lying...
I can't say you are if he is not.
He is going against 1st pillar of Islam
Whoever goes against that is a non muslim.
I warned him and he is continuing to think so.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

He is lying...
I can't say you are if he is not.
He is going against 1st pillar of Islam
Whoever goes against that is a non muslim.
I warned him and he is continuing to think so.

That just compounds the problem. It's still the No True Scotsman fallacy.

 

[BrillyMac]

You called youself Muslim.
You are Lying.1st pillar of Islam is Shahada:
There is no God except Allah,and Mohammed is his Messenger.
You said Gods or small gods.
You are a "pagan" not "monotheist".
You are not a Muslim...

And I said two things can't occupy the same space at the same time so there can only be one God with a big G. We are small gods because we are created in his image and likeness and have the potential to become God. That's not polytheism you fool

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

An omnipotent being can't be imperfect

An omnipresent being must have always existed there can never be a time that said being never existed, so the concept of God creating himself makes no sense.

An omniscient being knows all past, present and future...the physical, the meta-physical and beyond. As such there can never be a time when God was/is not aware of something.

There is no such thing as an imperfect Omnipotent, nor can there be a time when God did not exist since God is said to have created all things including concepts like creation and existence thus God must have always been and exists outside the concept of creation and existence that mortals are a part of.

You understand what I was saying! I'm gonna have to keep an eye on you. :devil:

 

[TenseiganFTW]

That's what I was saying lol. Heaven is a certain state of mind. It's being able to see your daughter smile. It's being able to laugh with your wife etc. there is no such thing as life after death. No one has ever come back from the dead and proved otherwise. And yes, we are made in Gods image and likeness which means he has to be a man.



That my sir, is what I call believing in a spook/ mystery god. Also, a real Muslim believes In all the scriptures if God. A real Muslim believes in the truth. A real Muslim believes in all the scriptures brought to us. God did not just send Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). God sent al the prophets. Taking the bible without taking the Quran is like taking the iPhone 3 and ignoring the 5 and vise versa. Prophets come at different times with different messages. But all prophets come from God. You have not studied the Quran great enough to know these things. You cannot take one prophet or scripture and shoot down the other. That's just plain ignorant.

Becuase Bible is corrupted in many ways and Torah says :
Don't worship anything on earth since nothing resembles God.
If god was a human then we resemble him...
But nope that's not true,cause God is not a human...
Bible contains more than 3000 errors.
Torah is corrupted in some ways too.
Whatever is in agreement with Qur'an i believe in it.
Whatever goes against it i dissagree.