[Discussion] Is God a mystery or a man?

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This quote came from The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad. What do you guys think? Before you give an opinion read this quote:

"1 For thousands of years, the people who did not have the Knowledge of the person, or reality of God worshiped their own Ideas of God. He has been made like many things other than what He really is. The Christians refer to God as a "Mystery" and a "Spirit" and divide Him into thirds. One part they call the Father, another part the Son, and the third part they call the Holy Ghost; which makes the three, one. This is contrary to both nature and mathematics. The law of mathematics will not allow us to put three into one. Our nature rebels against such a belief of God being a mystery and yet the Father of a son and a Holy Ghost without a wife or without being something In reality. We wonder how can the son be human, and the father a mystery (unknown), or a spirit? Who is this Holy Ghost that is classified as being the equal of the father and the son?

2 The Christians do not believe in God as being a human being, yet they believe in Him as being the Father of all human beings. They also refer to God as He, Him, Man, King and The Ruler. They teach that God sees, hears, talks, walks, stands, sits, rides, and flies; that He grieves or sorrows; and that He is interested in the affairs of human beings. They also teach that once upon a time He made the first man like Himself in the image and likeness of Himself, but yet they believe that He, Himself, is not a man or human. They preach and prophesy of His coming and that He will be seen on the Judgment Day but is not man. They cannot tell us what He looks like, yet man is made like Him and in the image of God, and yet they still say that He is a mystery (unknown).

3 How can one teach the people to know God if He, himself, does not know God. If you try teaching the Christians that God is also a human being, they will say that you are crazy, that you do not believe in God and that you are an infidel. In the meantime, while they admit that He is a Mystery God (unknown), they teach not to make any likeness of Him; yet they adorn their walls and churches with pictures, images and statues like human beings.

4 Can God be a Mystery God and yet send prophets to represent Himself? Have the prophets been representing a God that is not known (Mystery)? They tell us that they heard Gods voice speaking to them in their own language. Can a spirit speak a language while being an immaterial something? If God is not material, what pleasure would He get out of material beings and the material universe? What is the basis of spirit? Is the spirit independent of material?

5 Actually, who is that Mystery God? We should take time and study what has and is being taught to us. Study the word and examine it, and if it be the Truth, lay hold to it. To teach people that God is a Mystery God is to teach them that God is unknown. There is no truth in such teaching. Can one teach that which he himself does not know?

6 If one teaches a thing that he himself does not know, he can be charged with lying to the people. The word "mystery," according to the English dictionaries, is something that has not been or cannot be - something beyond human comprehension. The unintelligent, or rather ones without divine knowledge, seem to delight themselves in representing the God as something mysterious Unknown.

7 Such teaching (a mystery God) that God is a mystery makes the prophets' teachings of God all false. There should be a law made and enforced upon such teachers until they have been removed from the public."
 
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What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make Its way home
 

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God is fiction to me.

But the universe has too many laws. It's like it happened by design. Surely no coincidence that great can give us the laws of motion, thermodynamics, different galaxies, a sun, the planets in our solar system, the grass we see on the earth, the animals we see, and us. Nature compels you to believe in God because even if you never see him in your life, you know someone put everything here. The universe has too many mathematical principals for it to be an accident
 

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What do you guys think? Before you give an opinion read this quote:

"1 For thousands of years, the people who did not have the Knowledge of the person, or reality of God worshiped their own Ideas of God. He has been made like many things other than what He really is. The Christians refer to God as a "Mystery" and a "Spirit" and divide Him into thirds. One part they call the Father, another part the Son, and the third part they call the Holy Ghost; which makes the three, one. This is contrary to both nature and mathematics. The law of mathematics will not allow us to put three into one. Our nature rebels against such a belief of God being a mystery and yet the Father of a son and a Holy Ghost without a wife or without being something In reality. We wonder how can the son be human, and the father a mystery (unknown), or a spirit? Who is this Holy Ghost that is classified as being the equal of the father and the son?

2 The Christians do not believe in God as being a human being, yet they believe in Him as being the Father of all human beings. They also refer to God as He, Him, Man, King and The Ruler. They teach that God sees, hears, talks, walks, stands, sits, rides, and flies; that He grieves or sorrows; and that He is interested in the affairs of human beings. They also teach that once upon a time He made the first man like Himself in the image and likeness of Himself, but yet they believe that He, Himself, is not a man or human. They preach and prophesy of His coming and that He will be seen on the Judgment Day but is not man. They cannot tell us what He looks like, yet man is made like Him and in the image of God, and yet they still say that He is a mystery (unknown).

3 How can one teach the people to know God if He, himself, does not know God. If you try teaching the Christians that God is also a human being, they will say that you are crazy, that you do not believe in God and that you are an infidel. In the meantime, while they admit that He is a Mystery God (unknown), they teach not to make any likeness of Him; yet they adorn their walls and churches with pictures, images and statues like human beings.

4 Can God be a Mystery God and yet send prophets to represent Himself? Have the prophets been representing a God that is not known (Mystery)? They tell us that they heard Gods voice speaking to them in their own language. Can a spirit speak a language while being an immaterial something? If God is not material, what pleasure would He get out of material beings and the material universe? What is the basis of spirit? Is the spirit independent of material?

5 Actually, who is that Mystery God? We should take time and study what has and is being taught to us. Study the word and examine it, and if it be the Truth, lay hold to it. To teach people that God is a Mystery God is to teach them that God is unknown. There is no truth in such teaching. Can one teach that which he himself does not know?

6 If one teaches a thing that he himself does not know, he can be charged with lying to the people. The word "mystery," according to the English dictionaries, is something that has not been or cannot be - something beyond human comprehension. The unintelligent, or rather ones without divine knowledge, seem to delight themselves in representing the God as something mysterious Unknown.

7 Such teaching (a mystery God) that God is a mystery makes the prophets' teachings of God all false. There should be a law made and enforced upon such teachers until they have been removed from the public."

I think there is something like a god out there atleast the creator of us but it is probably way different from what people think god is.
 

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God is the father of us all.
 

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What's the point of this thread?
Religious people will parrot their teachings while the atheists will respond in a butthurt and insulting fashion.
 

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nobody knows. id put my money that god is a whole lot bigger than just earth's father. if there is a creator he created the universe and many different life forms probably as an experiment or entertainment.
 

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Humans can't be God.
Becuase God is almighty.
A god can't contain human weakness.
A God can't get sick,a God doesn't need food to survive.
He created these things for humans and not for himself.
God doesn't resemble Monkeys.
Jesus himself got his **** cut just like we muslims and the jews do.
Ans scientifically it was proven doing that is more hygenic and it protects you against deseases...
So if Jesus was God then he wouldn't need to do that.
This proves he was unclean.
God is clean,God doesn't need to take a Poo
 

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God is described especially in Abrahamic faiths as being omnipresent,omnipotent and omniscient. As a result it is impossible for humans to completely grasp the nature of such a being. Humans can't even grasp the size of the universe, the limitations of humans are indeed numerous
 

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But the universe has too many laws. It's like it happened by design. Surely no coincidence that great can give us the laws of motion, thermodynamics, different galaxies, a sun, the planets in our solar system, the grass we see on the earth, the animals we see, and us. Nature compels you to believe in God because even if you never see him in your life, you know someone put everything here. The universe has too many mathematical principals for it to be an accident

Lol what? Ever heard of natural selection?
And who created god?

And the story about earth jesus and the like doesn't fit well in the time line, this has been proven so many times.
 

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Lol what? Ever heard of natural selection?
And who created god?

Here comes the debate. Both natural selection and the belief in God rely on faith as neither can be proven by any conventional means. It is either you believe in one or the other
 

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But the universe has too many laws. It's like it happened by design. Surely no coincidence that great can give us the laws of motion, thermodynamics, different galaxies, a sun, the planets in our solar system, the grass we see on the earth, the animals we see, and us. Nature compels you to believe in God because even if you never see him in your life, you know someone put everything here. The universe has too many mathematical principals for it to be an accident

Well why not? It's the same as any other coincidence.


Here comes the debate. Both natural selection and the belief in God rely on faith as neither can be proven by any conventional means. It is either you believe in one or the other

I'd agree, except one side has tangible evidence. The other side not so much.
 

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What's the point of this thread?
Religious people will parrot their teachings while the atheists will respond in a butthurt and insulting fashion.
True but I'm giving a different perspective
Humans can't be God.
Becuase God is almighty.
A god can't contain human weakness.
A God can't get sick,a God doesn't need food to survive.
He created these things for humans and not for himself.
God doesn't resemble Monkeys.
Jesus himself got his **** cut just like we muslims and the jews do.
Ans scientifically it was proven doing that is more hygenic and it protects you against deseases...
So if Jesus was God then he wouldn't need to do that.
This proves he was unclean.
God is clean,God doesn't need to take a Poo
That's not true. Man is God with a little g because he can make whatever comes to his mind a reality. The mind or potential of God never does just like he potential for electricity never does. It's always around but it needs a way to conduct itself. Of course their can only be one God because two things can't occupy the same space at the same time. God is no illogical. He is logical just like his universe.
God is the father of us all.
Don't know if you're trolling or not but that's true. Even though Steve jobs didn't make the iPhone 6, he's still the father of the iPhone
 

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Here comes the debate. Both natural selection and the belief in God rely on faith as neither can be proven by any conventional means. It is either you believe in one or the other
Not really, there's a lot of evidence for evolution and natural selection
 

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True but I'm giving a different perspective

That's not true. Man is God with a little g because he can make whatever comes to his mind a reality. The mind or potential of God never does just like he potential for electricity never does. It's always around but it needs a way to conduct itself. Of course their can only be one God because two things can't occupy the same space at the same time. God is no illogical. He is logical just like his universe.

Don't know if you're trolling or not but that's true. Even though Steve jobs didn't make the iPhone 6, he's still the father of the iPhone

God doesn't need food to survive.
What is your religion?
 

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God doesn't need food to survive.
What is your religion?
Muslim just like you. God isn't some space cadet. If we worship some God far out in space that doesn't exist than no wonder we catch hell
Well why not? It's the same as any other coincidence.


I'd agree, except one side has tangible evidence. The other side not so much.

That's not a coincidence. Your very human essence tells you to believe in God because that's where you came from. It's like a homing device. No one that is born just says they don't believe in God unless they've been given an improper perception of God which is some flying space cadet who can look at a planet and it blows up. It is in our nature to believe in God because we came from him. We were created in his image and is his likeness

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Lmao


Oh and I had to troll you back lmao
 
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That's not a coincidence. Your very human essence tells you to believe in God because that's where you came from. It's like a homing device. No one that is born just says they don't believe in God unless they've been given an improper perception of God which is some flying space cadet who can look at a planet and it blows up. It is in our nature to believe in God because we came from him. We were created in his image and is his likeness

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So much fallacy my brain can't handle it.
 

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Is God a human to you?

In the bible it says God created man in his image and in his likeness. Also in the Quran God says he would come to man in his skin or something in that manner. Then he basically says of I'm coming to man why would I come in the form of an angel? Why episode he come in the form of anything other than a man? That would just spark confusion and misunderstanding. God presented himself to us as a man. And even angels are people just different type of people. I could be an Angel and even you can be an angel. Can can send anyone as an angel
 
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