is getting married worth it anymore?

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I agree with you on the cheating. And divorces are dreadful for men, although a prenup can help with that to some extent. In this day and age, divorces are becoming the norm.
 

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It's really quite simple.

Don't marry a child.

"Aim... what?"

Don't let the age fool you. Children are everywhere in our privileged societies.

Guys - look for a girl who has actually had to work for what she has.

Girls - look for a guy who has actually had to work for what he has.

There is a simple element of maturity to be found amongst those people. When I was younger, relationships were all about the idea of love, romance, and creating all the wonderful memories of my childhood for another generation.

But I had absolutely no friggin' clue what it took to get there. Sure - the concept sounded nice. You learn things, get good grades, work hard, and somehow that gets you a job. You find a nice girl who blushes and giggles for you and shower her with attention - and voila - fantasy achieved.

Now, I think about how awesome it would be to have someone to pick up some groceries that are needed before I get home from work, how amazing it would be to have a second set of ears to hear the alarm, another mind to help keep track of the bills, and someone to make cooking enjoyable (I hate cooking for myself - there's just no fun in it when I can't see joy/contentment on another person's face).

Sure - love and romance are great - and it's only fair to be in a relationship if you are actually attracted to that person; but the context of what a relationship is about has changed dramatically.

Children don't understand this, yet. They don't understand the value of dining out. They don't understand the sacrifice made to attain a clean room or the simple relief of finding that someone else has handled dinner or laundry concerns.

Why prevalence?

Socialism.

While I know a few of you just face-palmed - it's true.

What challenges do kids face these days? They clunk around through college, largely working for beer money and possibly rent until they are 24 years old, all of their expenses adding up as numbers they expect to use their certification of indoctrination to pay back. It's not much different than living at home, except there are no parents to enforce house rules, chores, and arbitrarily deciding what is for dinner. They may make payments on a car or credit card and claim to have some concept of what bills are and how hard it is being a working individual while discussing with their financial aid counselor about how they qualify for more government programs to help them out.

This is why most college students are simply not worth entertaining a relationship with until they have been hit with the realities of life. Or anyone under the age of about 20, for that matter, in today's society.

There are others who don't go to college and do not enter the work force beyond transient work hovering around minimum wage. They encounter a similar set of circumstances where they are the targets of social aid programs that pay for their food, qualify them for housing assistance, and generally remove any requirement to assume responsibility for one's own life. Just keep from killing yourself and keep signing up for the programs while supporting the politicians who give you what is rightfully yours for being born into a wealthy country.

So - the guy who just might knock you up? Well, it will be okay if he doesn't hang around. There's always food stamps. What's important is that you're having fun and enjoying what you have right now, right?

And, hey, the girl you've been with for nine months? She's pretty fine - but now she's always calling you and getting in your face about stuff, you know? Just what the hell is her problem, always wanting to know where you are and who you're with?

And that is why the divorce rates are so high amongst government beneficiaries - by removing consequences, you severely delay and even halt the maturing process in human beings.
 

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If you're a guy just skip getting married and just give your house to some b*tch you don't like. Its practically the same thing since 60% of marriages end in divorce.
 

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If you're a guy just skip getting married and just give your house to some b*tch you don't like. Its practically the same thing since 60% of marriages end in divorce.

There are ways of preventing this type of outcome.

Notably, don't get married to a girl. Get married to a woman. And by that - I don't mean whether or not she's been deflowered.

For example, girl:

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Woman:

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Young Women (not quite there, yet, but preliminary indications are the positive trend will hold):

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One group knows not just what they want in life - but recognizes and appreciates what they -need- in life.

One group simply seeks attention with little realization of self; the other group understand who they are, where they are going, and has an idea for how to move toward their ideal self and realizes that their priorities in life need to be considered in the people they choose to include in their life.

If you marry an individual classified as a 'woman' - you generally don't have to worry about losing half of what you own to be left with a grudge against her. She will realize that you're not walking a path in life she wishes to share with you long before it becomes time to exchange vows. Generally, men will see and understand if a woman is panning out to not want to walk with him.

The part where most guys go wrong is that they get a girl who goes for the romance and the dream... but who doesn't understand what reality is. This is compounded even more so when the guy is still a boy.

If you get a girl who doesn't understand what it means for you to take time out of your routine to cook dinner for her - then she can't possibly be expected to have the kind of appreciative reaction you were hoping to see. Likewise - she will get frustrated when her efforts to 'share in the dream' fall flat due to schedule interruptions, financial limitations, etc. She's thinking it will be fun to role-play a nurse, and you're reminded of the odd pain in your shoulder you want looked at while wondering if your insurance plan would cover it and trying to weight the cost of indulging your paranoia versus the risk of some freak shoulder-cancer from all the pitching you used to do as a kid when your parents warned you about throwing out your arm.

Which - there's a time for fun and games (it's an important part of any relationship - even the non-intimate variety) - but when one or both person(s) simply doesn't comprehend or address the realistic aspects of partnering with another creature capable of independent thought... it's a doomed voyage from the get-go.

In today's age - we've lost much of the practical aspect of marriage. It sucks living alone, and it makes a hell of a lot of sense for two people who like to sleep together to figure out how to help each other out during the time between when they wake up and when they go back to the same bed.

Traditions have their role - but at the same time, it doesn't really matter who does the laundry, so long as it gets done. It doesn't matter who cleans the house, washes the dishes, mows the lawn, fixes the broken appliance of the day, or earns what portion of the household income - so long as it is being accomplished in a manner that satisfies both people involved.

And I think that is what so many people have forgotten. Marriage isn't just: "I will only have sexual contact with this person." It is not just a union of finances (well - legally it is - but let's not discuss government's involvement in marriage). It is an agreement to share life with that person - not just temporarily, but indefinitely. It is an agreement to care so much about that person that you get unspeakably pissed that things aren't going the way you'd envisioned for them (which can be, in part, their fault) - but remain by their side. It is an agreement to allow another independent being become an integral part of your life and your plans for it.

An independent being who will never be able to prove innocence or satisfy every expectation flawlessly - an independent being who is exposed to you in ways more intimate than physical contact alone can ever achieve... and who can (and will) evaluate you.

Think about the amount of trust you have to place into your partner. She could kill you in your sleep (or he, I suppose). You could return from work to see that your stuff is gone - or worse, your kids. The only way to prove a kid is yours is to essentially accuse her of infidelity (so if she's just that damned good at being sneaky - you'd never know without being an intolerable prick... unless, you know, there were obvious indications that the kid could not have come from you).

And she would trust you in a very similar manner. There are all kinds of things a being that you can't control can decide to do at the drop of a hat with no warning and no rhyme or logic that you can understand.

When you think about it that way - it really sets the proper tone for 'marriage' (which can be defined as agreeing to share life with an individual - which can actually include, to some extent, room mates of non-sexual relation). You trust your life to nameless automobile manufacturers on a daily basis - but to whom do you entrust your dreams of a future?

That is why divorces get so ugly. You are literally going through a process that destroys something people cherish more dearly than their own life - their dream of the future. Even though one's future is not destroyed by divorce - what was envisioned and used to motivate the individual has been shown to not be possible and to require substantial revision.

It's amazing how fundamentally simple people are despite the complexity to their reactions. Though most people don't really pay attention to it. It's easier to write a failed relationship off as an encounter with a despicable person and go from there (though that doesn't mean there are not despicable people - there most certainly are - but they are less common than the heartbroken masses would lead us to believe).

But, at this point, I've been indulging in my habit of rambling for far too long, and I require sleep.
 

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There are ways of preventing this type of outcome.

Notably, don't get married to a girl. Get married to a woman. And by that - I don't mean whether or not she's been deflowered.

For example, girl:

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Woman:

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Girl:

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Young Women (not quite there, yet, but preliminary indications are the positive trend will hold):

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One group knows not just what they want in life - but recognizes and appreciates what they -need- in life.

One group simply seeks attention with little realization of self; the other group understand who they are, where they are going, and has an idea for how to move toward their ideal self and realizes that their priorities in life need to be considered in the people they choose to include in their life.

If you marry an individual classified as a 'woman' - you generally don't have to worry about losing half of what you own to be left with a grudge against her. She will realize that you're not walking a path in life she wishes to share with you long before it becomes time to exchange vows. Generally, men will see and understand if a woman is panning out to not want to walk with him.

The part where most guys go wrong is that they get a girl who goes for the romance and the dream... but who doesn't understand what reality is. This is compounded even more so when the guy is still a boy.

If you get a girl who doesn't understand what it means for you to take time out of your routine to cook dinner for her - then she can't possibly be expected to have the kind of appreciative reaction you were hoping to see. Likewise - she will get frustrated when her efforts to 'share in the dream' fall flat due to schedule interruptions, financial limitations, etc. She's thinking it will be fun to role-play a nurse, and you're reminded of the odd pain in your shoulder you want looked at while wondering if your insurance plan would cover it and trying to weight the cost of indulging your paranoia versus the risk of some freak shoulder-cancer from all the pitching you used to do as a kid when your parents warned you about throwing out your arm.

Which - there's a time for fun and games (it's an important part of any relationship - even the non-intimate variety) - but when one or both person(s) simply doesn't comprehend or address the realistic aspects of partnering with another creature capable of independent thought... it's a doomed voyage from the get-go.

In today's age - we've lost much of the practical aspect of marriage. It sucks living alone, and it makes a hell of a lot of sense for two people who like to sleep together to figure out how to help each other out during the time between when they wake up and when they go back to the same bed.

Traditions have their role - but at the same time, it doesn't really matter who does the laundry, so long as it gets done. It doesn't matter who cleans the house, washes the dishes, mows the lawn, fixes the broken appliance of the day, or earns what portion of the household income - so long as it is being accomplished in a manner that satisfies both people involved.

And I think that is what so many people have forgotten. Marriage isn't just: "I will only have sexual contact with this person." It is not just a union of finances (well - legally it is - but let's not discuss government's involvement in marriage). It is an agreement to share life with that person - not just temporarily, but indefinitely. It is an agreement to care so much about that person that you get unspeakably pissed that things aren't going the way you'd envisioned for them (which can be, in part, their fault) - but remain by their side. It is an agreement to allow another independent being become an integral part of your life and your plans for it.

An independent being who will never be able to prove innocence or satisfy every expectation flawlessly - an independent being who is exposed to you in ways more intimate than physical contact alone can ever achieve... and who can (and will) evaluate you.

Think about the amount of trust you have to place into your partner. She could kill you in your sleep (or he, I suppose). You could return from work to see that your stuff is gone - or worse, your kids. The only way to prove a kid is yours is to essentially accuse her of infidelity (so if she's just that damned good at being sneaky - you'd never know without being an intolerable prick... unless, you know, there were obvious indications that the kid could not have come from you).

And she would trust you in a very similar manner. There are all kinds of things a being that you can't control can decide to do at the drop of a hat with no warning and no rhyme or logic that you can understand.

When you think about it that way - it really sets the proper tone for 'marriage' (which can be defined as agreeing to share life with an individual - which can actually include, to some extent, room mates of non-sexual relation). You trust your life to nameless automobile manufacturers on a daily basis - but to whom do you entrust your dreams of a future?

That is why divorces get so ugly. You are literally going through a process that destroys something people cherish more dearly than their own life - their dream of the future. Even though one's future is not destroyed by divorce - what was envisioned and used to motivate the individual has been shown to not be possible and to require substantial revision.

It's amazing how fundamentally simple people are despite the complexity to their reactions. Though most people don't really pay attention to it. It's easier to write a failed relationship off as an encounter with a despicable person and go from there (though that doesn't mean there are not despicable people - there most certainly are - but they are less common than the heartbroken masses would lead us to believe).

But, at this point, I've been indulging in my habit of rambling for far too long, and I require sleep.
You should write a novel .-.
 

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Love doesn't need a marital contract to prove its official. Thats what i think

I agree. Marrage seems like an agreement based on fear in many cases. If you don't have full trust in your partner, don't try to put a ring in it to feel secure.

Another thing; I think that your intention, when you meet your partner, is of importance. If you're just stunned by her looks and you have an affair and decide to get married without much depth in your bond, you'll have a shallow relationship. Like most couples..
 

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There are ways of preventing this type of outcome.

Notably, don't get married to a girl. Get married to a woman. And by that - I don't mean whether or not she's been deflowered.

For example, girl:

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Woman:

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Girl:

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Young Women (not quite there, yet, but preliminary indications are the positive trend will hold):

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One group knows not just what they want in life - but recognizes and appreciates what they -need- in life.

One group simply seeks attention with little realization of self; the other group understand who they are, where they are going, and has an idea for how to move toward their ideal self and realizes that their priorities in life need to be considered in the people they choose to include in their life.

If you marry an individual classified as a 'woman' - you generally don't have to worry about losing half of what you own to be left with a grudge against her. She will realize that you're not walking a path in life she wishes to share with you long before it becomes time to exchange vows. Generally, men will see and understand if a woman is panning out to not want to walk with him.

The part where most guys go wrong is that they get a girl who goes for the romance and the dream... but who doesn't understand what reality is. This is compounded even more so when the guy is still a boy.

If you get a girl who doesn't understand what it means for you to take time out of your routine to cook dinner for her - then she can't possibly be expected to have the kind of appreciative reaction you were hoping to see. Likewise - she will get frustrated when her efforts to 'share in the dream' fall flat due to schedule interruptions, financial limitations, etc. She's thinking it will be fun to role-play a nurse, and you're reminded of the odd pain in your shoulder you want looked at while wondering if your insurance plan would cover it and trying to weight the cost of indulging your paranoia versus the risk of some freak shoulder-cancer from all the pitching you used to do as a kid when your parents warned you about throwing out your arm.

Which - there's a time for fun and games (it's an important part of any relationship - even the non-intimate variety) - but when one or both person(s) simply doesn't comprehend or address the realistic aspects of partnering with another creature capable of independent thought... it's a doomed voyage from the get-go.

In today's age - we've lost much of the practical aspect of marriage. It sucks living alone, and it makes a hell of a lot of sense for two people who like to sleep together to figure out how to help each other out during the time between when they wake up and when they go back to the same bed.

Traditions have their role - but at the same time, it doesn't really matter who does the laundry, so long as it gets done. It doesn't matter who cleans the house, washes the dishes, mows the lawn, fixes the broken appliance of the day, or earns what portion of the household income - so long as it is being accomplished in a manner that satisfies both people involved.

And I think that is what so many people have forgotten. Marriage isn't just: "I will only have sexual contact with this person." It is not just a union of finances (well - legally it is - but let's not discuss government's involvement in marriage). It is an agreement to share life with that person - not just temporarily, but indefinitely. It is an agreement to care so much about that person that you get unspeakably pissed that things aren't going the way you'd envisioned for them (which can be, in part, their fault) - but remain by their side. It is an agreement to allow another independent being become an integral part of your life and your plans for it.

An independent being who will never be able to prove innocence or satisfy every expectation flawlessly - an independent being who is exposed to you in ways more intimate than physical contact alone can ever achieve... and who can (and will) evaluate you.

Think about the amount of trust you have to place into your partner. She could kill you in your sleep (or he, I suppose). You could return from work to see that your stuff is gone - or worse, your kids. The only way to prove a kid is yours is to essentially accuse her of infidelity (so if she's just that damned good at being sneaky - you'd never know without being an intolerable prick... unless, you know, there were obvious indications that the kid could not have come from you).

And she would trust you in a very similar manner. There are all kinds of things a being that you can't control can decide to do at the drop of a hat with no warning and no rhyme or logic that you can understand.

When you think about it that way - it really sets the proper tone for 'marriage' (which can be defined as agreeing to share life with an individual - which can actually include, to some extent, room mates of non-sexual relation). You trust your life to nameless automobile manufacturers on a daily basis - but to whom do you entrust your dreams of a future?

That is why divorces get so ugly. You are literally going through a process that destroys something people cherish more dearly than their own life - their dream of the future. Even though one's future is not destroyed by divorce - what was envisioned and used to motivate the individual has been shown to not be possible and to require substantial revision.

It's amazing how fundamentally simple people are despite the complexity to their reactions. Though most people don't really pay attention to it. It's easier to write a failed relationship off as an encounter with a despicable person and go from there (though that doesn't mean there are not despicable people - there most certainly are - but they are less common than the heartbroken masses would lead us to believe).

But, at this point, I've been indulging in my habit of rambling for far too long, and I require sleep.

Your posts are always bang on the money and enjoyable to read. However if you don't mind me saying so......they can be a little long, so not everyone may read it. You should add a short summary at the end of your posts!
 

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This is among the most retarded things I've ever read on here.

Marriage is great. My first one dissolved because we rushed into it. Simple answer to keeping your ex from getting half your shit? Use the same god damn lawyer so you don't have two different guys playing you both for money as long as possible. That's why divorces get ugly. People get immature and they have no idea how the legal side of things work. She wanted the love seat? Go ahead and take it. I wanted a ****ing recliner anyway and I got to keep the dog because of it. You just can't bring your emotions into the legal equation. When that happens you both lose.

My second marriage is awesome. My wife is my best friend. We have two perfect sons. She pulls her own weight around the house and so do I. Honestly there aren't any other women I would want to wake up next to. At least without my wife present. Giggity.

The reason why so many marriages fail is because people are stupid about it. It takes maturity, responsibility, compatibility, hard work, patience, and most of all actually giving a shit and being loyal towards your spouse. Unfortunately most people nowadays don't want to work hard, act like adults, or generally give a shit about another human being. They will pay for this later in life. I promise.

Don't marry someone because one of you gets pregnant. Putting the kid through a divorce is harder than raising him separate anyway. Guys. Stop knocking down sluts that have no self respect and can't act right. Those girls will raise your kids ****ed up. Even if they love them if they can't act right your kids won't act right. Honestly if you don't think a ***** will make a good mother you better at least wrap it up. Girls. Stop giving it up to dudes who don't give a shit about you and remember that the guy that picks up a second shift at work is better boyfriend material than the guy who parties all the time because honestly the party boys typically aren't going to stop partying just because they have responsibility now.
 

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You have the wrong outlook on it....don't let past relationships that didn't work out prevent you from getting married one day! Of course its a personal choice, and its not suited for all...but at least in my case, I went through quite a few shitty relationships and then bam...one day my literal soulmate walked through my work place and life has been an exciting roller coaster since. I had a similar outlook on marriage until I met someone I could actually see myself being married too, who thought the same way.

I would just keep it chill, hang out with random girls/guys whatever floats your boat...and not give up...just be careful about who you date and look for infamous red flags. Those flags can save you!
 

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Precisely, my friend. You can't claim to be naked while you wear clothes. :| Hypocracy at it's greatest. U_U



This is why you think before you involve yourself with a woman. :eww: Countries in the Western world suck up to women and treat them like goddesses. U_U A man must be careful in choosing a spouse. The world is huge, bro. hmm Out there somewhere there is bound to be a place full of faithful women who will marry you not because of your money, fame or superficial appearance but because they actually love you for who you are and are actually a good person from the heart. :yeah:

Western culture promotes the sexual objectification of women and pushes girls from a young age to strive for *** appeal. In eastern/arab culture, women are seen are dogs. Somethng you own. And they are pushed to being a usefull, obedient child bearer.

To raise faithful women with selfrespect, we'd need to change this male dominated world.
 

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If you have to ask if its "worth it", it wasn't ever gonna be "worth it" for you anyway
 

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2. Divorce: divorce is obviously bad for men more so than women because 9 times out of ten she leaves with half your stuff.

Men leave with half her stuff too. This is one of the dumbest things I've read.
 

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Of course being married is worth it, whether its current day or way in the future. If you love someone, it's always worth it.
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Really it's only use is financial and to fit normal behavior so to say. Unless you're a religious person and see it as something bigger.

Women love it though.
 
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