Is Edo Tensei part of an individuals own power?

[The God of Wind]

So you need to earn an ability for it to be considered yours? So Yamato's Mokuton isn't part of his power? Danzo's Izanagi isn't part of his power? Every jutsu Kakashi copied isn't part of his? Nagato's Rinnegan isn't part of his? etc.

Sasori's case is different because he defeated all his puppets when they were human, he has earned them. But you dont just dig up the grave of a shinobi who died 50 years ago, raise him from the dead, then call him your own, because a spell allows you to control their mind and body.

Answer this hypothetical question: If tomorrow, Suigetsu goes and digs out the Sage of the Six Path's himself and resurrects him with Edo Tensei, would you say the SO6P is now a part of Suigetsu's power, basically labeling him the God of all Jutsu? No brah, thats better defined as cheating.

WTF are you talking about. It was said that Edo Tensei was used to clear a battlefield, so it obviously was used in battle.


It could have been easily considered "normal and useable". Think about the Will of Fire. I'm sure in the middle of important battles, when a Senju dies, I'm confident that he has no objection of being temporarily brought back to life to help save the lives of his fellow comrades that are still living and fighting. Imagine in fights the Senjus NEVER DIE because even when you kill them, they get brought back to life via EDO and now they are "immortal" and still fighting against you. Who in the hell would beat the Senju under these circumstances...? NO ONE, not even the famed Uchiha Clan.

Im sorry.....but WTF are you talking about?!

 

[Direcorpse]

You deliberately said that to misinterpret my message! You know fukking well I am talking about Kishi's lessons to the characters after certain fights! Or... you're just not that smart.......
Lessons meaning:
Naruto's victory speech to Neji
Naruto's words to Gaara
Naruto's words to Nagato
Jiraiya's words to Oro during Sannin showdown, and his last words. etc etc

Those are the true lessons I am talking about! Only a fukking moron would misinterpret that and take it the wrong way!

Well after that post, I clearly lost hope trying to be kind to you and this thread fails considerably.
The fact that Edo-Tensei is a jutsu, for whomever acquire the right seals and preparations then it's part of their power.
It's a jutsu, you learn it then it's part of your knowledge.
It's like saying, common sense isn't in your arsenal of knowledge..... which is true because you're too thickheaded to even realize what you're saying.

Sasori actually killed those people! So in a sick and twisted way, he earned them!

You need help, MAJOR mental help.
You can nonchalantly claim Sasori's puppets to be normal, yet Edo-Tensei ( which I might add has the same concept of him making the 3rd Kazekage AND himself into puppets ) is not normal? Please, get yourself check and ring in some common sense in your absent mind.

 

[The God of Wind]

Well after that post, I clearly lost hope trying to be kind to you and this thread fails considerably.
The fact that Edo-Tensei is a jutsu, for whomever acquire the right seals and preparations then it's part of their power.
It's a jutsu, you learn it then it's part of your knowledge.
It's like saying, common sense isn't in your arsenal of knowledge..... which is true because you're too thickheaded to even realize what you're saying.



You need help, MAJOR mental help.
You can nonchalantly claim Sasori's puppets to be normal, yet Edo-Tensei ( which I might add has the same concept of him making the 3rd Kazekage AND himself into puppets ) is not normal? Please, get yourself check and ring in some common sense in your absent mind.

Yes Edo Tensei can be a part of your arsenal.....but not the ninja you raise from it. That would be saying Orochimaru>Hashirama Senju and Tobirama Senju combined! Just because Orochimaru was born after their time?! Do you get what I am saying now?

If you are going to do a ninja comparison, you start them off with the jutsu they can use at a moments notice, not something that takes hours or even days of preparation.

My point stands with Sasori........he defeated and killed all the shinobi he made into puppets, so yes, they are a part of his power. And technically, they are not dead ninja, they are just objects, his lifeless and soulless weapons.

Had Kabuto defeated any of the Ninja he resurrected, only then would they be considered his strength, but he did not defeat shit, he waited for them all to die, that is pathetic!

I am sorry for lashing out earlier, but I cannot stand someone purposely twisting around the point I am trying to make! And my mental health is fine thank you.

 

[Direcorpse]

Yes Edo Tensei can be a part of your arsenal.....but not the ninja you raise from it. That would be saying Orochimaru>Hashirama Senju and Tobirama Senju combined! Just because Orochimaru was born after their time?! Do you get what I am saying now?

Well that's obvious, but you have to also understand that it's part of the jutsu to steal, literally.
But knowing how to perform and to prepare to summon, it's part of the jutsu & the person's ' power '.
Unfair as it may seem, that's just how Edo-Tensei works.

If you are going to do a ninja comparison, you start them off with the jutsu they can use at a moments notice, not something that takes hours or even days of preparation.

My point stands with Sasori........he defeated and killed all the shinobi he made into puppets, so yes, they are a part of his power. And technically, they are not dead ninja, they are just objects, his lifeless and soulless weapons.

Much like how Edo-Tensei works, they're put into his jutsu to work for the user despite their wish to not be revived as Edo/Puppet.
So it's not so much different, both needing to prepare and adjust before being used. I digress and I'm comparing, but yeah just throwing it out there.

Had Kabuto defeated any of the Ninja he resurrected, only then would they be considered his strength, but he did not defeat shit, he waited for them all to die, that is pathetic!

Well you can call the process pathetic all you want, but it had bolstered Kabuto's & Obito's military power and size.
It may not be as how you see their power as, but like I stated before it's part of the jutsu which kabuto had learned.
Grave robbing of course, inhumane and a serious stab to those they cared for.
Anyone could easily say that killing and making them puppets are pathetic too, to fight for themselves but I'm best hoping you see my point of view on the Edo-Tensei as well.
I am sorry for lashing out earlier, but I cannot stand someone purposely twisting around the point I am trying to make! And my mental health is fine thank you.

It's fine, I really don't wish to upset anyone and i'm just here trying to understand what everyone's trying to say and pointing out my opinion.

 

[The God of Wind]

I am sorry but Sasori and Kabuto are not comparable one bit! Sasori killed the 3rd Kazekage with his own skill, and its actually badass that he made him his weapon after. Kabuto did not defeat and kill Uchiha Madara, but he brought him back as a living corpse with a real soul, not a lifeless puppet. Like Madara said, he was just carelessly using forbidden jutsu.

 

[Stark]

Edo is for bitches, Tobirama, Oro, etc..

 

[The God of Wind]

Edo is for bitches, Tobirama, Oro, etc..

Agreed!

 

[SilverSlick]

Yes, its apart of Kabuto's arsenal. Kabuto is the closest thing to the sage.

 

[FizzyDrink]

You clearly do not know how to judge what is part of someone's power. Here's how it goes.

If someone can use something, ANYTHING, in a random fight, then that is a part of their power.

Kabuto at his peak could use Edo Tensei and all of those edos, including Madara, Itachi, and Nagato, in any random fight. Ergo, it is part of his power.

 

[Solo]

It's just an overpowered Kuchiyose no jutsu whether you like it or not. Edo Tensei even follows the same method of creating a

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between the summons and the summoner. The Edo summons are to Kabuto what Ma and Pa are to Jiraiya. His pawns are

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of his power. He summons the ninja, he controls them, he wins.

He release them, he lose. LOL!


Like Madara said, "Don't get the wrong idea, You didn't create this power."

 

[Vegeto30294]

If Kabuto summoned Itachi with Edo Tensei, and he used Amaterasu, is it Kabuto using Amaterasu or Edo Itachi using Amaterasu?

If Naruto summoned Gamabunta and he used Water Release: Gunshot, is it Naruto using Water Release: Gunshot or Gamabunta?

 

[FizzyDrink]

If Kabuto summoned Itachi with Edo Tensei, and he used Amaterasu, is it Kabuto using Amaterasu or Edo Itachi using Amaterasu?

If Naruto summoned Gamabunta and he used Water Release: Gunshot, is it Naruto using Water Release: Gunshot or Gamabunta?

Are you saying that Edo Tensei is or isn't a part of Kabuto's power? I can't tell from your post.

 

[Warrex]

idk... i think the Impure World Resurrection's efficiency has SOMETHING to do with the user's power. Remember what Kabuto said about needing Orochimaru's chakra to make the technique more powerful?

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[iSpeak]

Sasori's case is different because he defeated all his puppets when they were human, he has earned them. But you dont just dig up the grave of a shinobi who died 50 years ago, raise him from the dead, then call him your own, because a spell allows you to control their mind and body.

Answer this hypothetical question: If tomorrow, Suigetsu goes and digs out the Sage of the Six Path's himself and resurrects him with Edo Tensei, would you say the SO6P is now a part of Suigetsu's power, basically labeling him the God of all Jutsu? No brah, thats better defined as cheating.

Like I said, no where in the manga does it say you need to "earn" an ability for it to be considered yours. Edo Tensei is a technique... technique's are part of your arsenal no matter how cheap, overpowered or easy it may seem to do. Many people have got abilities which they haven't earned themselves. Both Tobi and Kabuto himself have accepted it as his power.
You talk about fair. Summoning an ally which you have 0 control over should be considered unfair period if that is the case. But people allow it.
As for your question, yes I would consider it as part of his power. Infact, I have already answered a similar question like that a while back (I will try to look for it). Simimlarly, if Orochimaru performs Fushi Tensei with the Sage's body I would consider it his power. Or if Sasori randomly finds the Sage's body and makes a human puppet from it, I would consider it his power whether he killed him or not. Or even if the Ramen Guy randomly finds the Sage's Rinnegan and can use it, I would consider it his power. The whole point of learning a jutsu is to increase your arsenal's power.

I am sorry but Sasori and Kabuto are not comparable one bit! Sasori killed the 3rd Kazekage with his own skill

Actually, the Manga has suggested that Sasori planned and kidnapped the 3rd Kazekage... they didn't fight. Unless you believe he managed to have a fight with the strongest kazekage without a single person in the village noticing at all? I cant see that happening.