is anime contradicting Manga or what??????????!!!!!!!

[123fire]

Hashirama has been using wood clones since he got wood style, Tobirama stating he invented shadiw clones because idk maybe because he isn't as old as Indra. Madara and Izuna were noted to be the first to awaken the MS and yet in canon Indra was the first although for people that believe the filler Hagoromo was the "first". There are character sketches for the episodes and characters already not sure how you can still call it filler after that. At any rate:

OP: Hagoromo explicitly states that he didn't even know back then....since he's alwats watching oveer the transmigrantss he saw what happened with black zetsu heck how are you aware in the manga that naruto and sasuke were kidnapped by your mom but you're just going to assume he saw that but didn't see black zetsu betraying Madara. A ten year old would be able to connect the dots of black zetsu's manipulations. Hagoromo is probably just overseeing what is occurring in the pther dimension as he isvalways watching over Indra and Asura no matter where they are. The fact that black zetsu is dressed like a KKK member is unnerving nevertheless that's how it explains hardly contradicts the manga. Kishimoto may have given us a backstory as well if he could, he's the flashback loving god but he was rushed so you know how that goes

This just proves that all it needs is a little thinking to know that the anime isn't contradicting the manga

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Is there proof of Indra using shadow clones? nope.
Is there proof of Indra inventing shadow clones? nope.
Can we use an anime episode which is in conjunction a filler with the episodes before as proof of the above? Nope.

How is Indra going to create a shadow clown Jutsu as a child when Ninjutsu wasn't even in existence when he was a child.

1. There's no proof against it either

2. Inventions get lost, for example Nikola Tesla was the first to find something to make electricity inexpensive yet Thomas Eddison gets the credit. Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin but do you know how many people tried to lay claim to this and succeeded? They orobably never heard of him eother there's no document back in that time for who invented what. Unless it's legendary

3. That's an opinion there are already character sketches of the filler characters

4. Ninshu and ninjutsu are basically the same thing. So you can accept that hagoromo using creation of all things is ninjutsu but you're going to say ninjutsu didn't exist? Heck Hagoromo's rinnegan techniques are ninjutsu. The difference between ninshu and ninjutsu is that ninjutsu is internalizing chakra and weaponizing it and ninshu is the sharing of that chakra. In other words anyone can internalize chakra and weaponize it but Hagoromo as a traveling sage did not believe in such things. Both in filler and canon it's a notion that hagoromo doesn't approve of ninjutsu but only ninshu as je sternly corrects naruto. Meaning Hagoromo after the Kaguya fight only desired Ninshu as the filler sticks to if Hagoromo used ninjutsu you would've pointed that out or maybe not who knows.

Hagoromo literally saud Indra had innovations in other words he was stemming away from ninshu and more towards ninjutsu. Which is why he became a loner, he no longer believed in sharing chakra among others as is ninshu but internalizing and weaponizing it for peace as is ninjutsu. Anyone who can use ninshu can also use ninjutsu I'm not sure about vice-versa.


So there's your answer

 

[minamoto]

You can assume that Indra might have had shadow clones and discuss about the actual chance, but you can't claim it to be a fact based on some anime-only material. Assuming that everything you want to be canon is canon only because of the absence of disproof is not how it works. Similar to saying "good exists because you can't disprove it". It's basically the same pattern that you use and that's just false.

Until you have proof in form of a manga-panel or Kishimoto himself confirming that Indra had shadow-clones, Indra simply doesn't have it.

dont worry you are right and 123fire is on crack..

 

[SasukeSixPack]

Yes it is , ninshu is basically ninjutsu but ninshu was used for peace then it was called ninjutsu because it caused wars
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Dude, Nishuu was simply moulding Chakra inside your bodies. Ninjutsu is using that chakra to develop techniques to kill other people.

My god.

 

[123fire]

He can't use Kage Bunshin no Jutsu because it hadn't even been invented for hundreds of years after he died.

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Tell me now isn't these words coming from tobirama's mouth? Tobirama doesn't know anything 1000 years ago...

 

[123fire]

Dude, Nishuu was simply moulding Chakra inside your bodies. Ninjutsu is using that chakra to develop techniques to kill other people.

My god.

No its not what the ****????? Ninshu is ninjutsu dude its a fact in naruto wiki , ninshu is jutsus and stuff like that !! But it's purpose was peace thats the difference , you're interpreting it wrong

 

[Ricardo]

Tell me now isn't these words coming from tobirama's mouth? Tobirama doesn't know anything 1000 years ago...

It's coming from Kishi's mouth :bdpf:

 

[ANiMUS]

Hashirama has been using wood clones since he got wood style, Tobirama stating he invented shadiw clones because idk maybe because he isn't as old as Indra. Madara and Izuna were noted to be the first to awaken the MS and yet in canon Indra was the first although for people that believe the filler Hagoromo was the "first". There are character sketches for the episodes and characters already not sure how you can still call it filler after that. At any rate:

OP: Hagoromo explicitly states that he didn't even know back then....since he's alwats watching oveer the transmigrantss he saw what happened with black zetsu heck how are you aware in the manga that naruto and sasuke were kidnapped by your mom but you're just going to assume he saw that but didn't see black zetsu betraying Madara. A ten year old would be able to connect the dots of black zetsu's manipulations. Hagoromo is probably just overseeing what is occurring in the pther dimension as he isvalways watching over Indra and Asura no matter where they are. The fact that black zetsu is dressed like a KKK member is unnerving nevertheless that's how it explains hardly contradicts the manga. Kishimoto may have given us a backstory as well if he could, he's the flashback loving god but he was rushed so you know how that goes

Can u provide those sketches :sdo:

 

[DominiqueX]

Yes it is , ninshu is basically ninjutsu but ninshu was used for peace then it was called ninjutsu because it caused wars
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You haven't understood the concept of ninshuu.
Ninshuu is NOT ninjutsu.

Ninjutsu is the result of fusing your spiritual and physical energy together, turning it into a weapon, while ninshuu was basically a form of telepathy.

 

[123fire]

1. There's no proof against it either

2. Inventions get lost, for example Nikola Tesla was the first to find something to make electricity inexpensive yet Thomas Eddison gets the credit. Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin but do you know how many people tried to lay claim to this and succeeded? They orobably never heard of him eother there's no document back in that time for who invented what. Unless it's legendary

3. That's an opinion there are already character sketches of the filler characters

4. Ninshu and ninjutsu are basically the same thing. So you can accept that hagoromo using creation of all things is ninjutsu but you're going to say ninjutsu didn't exist? Heck Hagoromo's rinnegan techniques are ninjutsu. The difference between ninshu and ninjutsu is that ninjutsu is internalizing chakra and weaponizing it and ninshu is the sharing of that chakra. In other words anyone can internalize chakra and weaponize it but Hagoromo as a traveling sage did not believe in such things. Both in filler and canon it's a notion that hagoromo doesn't approve of ninjutsu but only ninshu as je sternly corrects naruto. Meaning Hagoromo after the Kaguya fight only desired Ninshu as the filler sticks to if Hagoromo used ninjutsu you would've pointed that out or maybe not who knows.

Hagoromo literally saud Indra had innovations in other words he was stemming away from ninshu and more towards ninjutsu. Which is why he became a loner, he no longer believed in sharing chakra among others as is ninshu but internalizing and weaponizing it for peace as is ninjutsu. Anyone who can use ninshu can also use ninjutsu I'm not sure about vice-versa.


So there's your answer

This is soooooooooo accurate . And yet theu disagree..

 

[123fire]

You haven't understood the concept of ninshuu.
Ninshuu is NOT ninjutsu.

Ninjutsu is the result of fusing your spiritual and physical energy together, turning it into a weapon, while ninshuu was basically a form of telepathy.

You're still interpreting it wrong ninshu is ninjutsu and im not gonna say it again , you're just finding things to bash the anime , for all we know kishi is working with them

 

[123fire]

It's coming from Kishi's mouth :bdpf:

Yeah so? They're in the mouth of an individual that doesn't know anything from 1000 years ago

 

[Angelic.]

If indra can't do something like a clone then he's a fodder

 

[minamoto]

Yeah so? They're in the mouth of an individual that doesn't know anything from 1000 years ago

friendly reminder : dont double post or an invisble green evil chakra will do something bad to you...

 

[DominiqueX]

You're still interpreting it wrong ninshu is ninjutsu and im not gonna say it again , you're just finding things to bash the anime , for all we know kishi is working with them

I interpret it wrong only because you say so? Damn, read the manga and don't annoy other people with your lack of information. How often do we have to slap you with manga panels?

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[SasukeSixPack]

1. There's no proof against it either

2. Inventions get lost, for example Nikola Tesla was the first to find something to make electricity inexpensive yet Thomas Eddison gets the credit. Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin but do you know how many people tried to lay claim to this and succeeded? They orobably never heard of him eother there's no document back in that time for who invented what. Unless it's legendary

3. That's an opinion there are already character sketches of the filler characters

4. Ninshu and ninjutsu are basically the same thing. So you can accept that hagoromo using creation of all things is ninjutsu but you're going to say ninjutsu didn't exist? Heck Hagoromo's rinnegan techniques are ninjutsu. The difference between ninshu and ninjutsu is that ninjutsu is internalizing chakra and weaponizing it and ninshu is the sharing of that chakra. In other words anyone can internalize chakra and weaponize it but Hagoromo as a traveling sage did not believe in such things. Both in filler and canon it's a notion that hagoromo doesn't approve of ninjutsu but only ninshu as je sternly corrects naruto. Meaning Hagoromo after the Kaguya fight only desired Ninshu as the filler sticks to if Hagoromo used ninjutsu you would've pointed that out or maybe not who knows.

Hagoromo literally saud Indra had innovations in other words he was stemming away from ninshu and more towards ninjutsu. Which is why he became a loner, he no longer believed in sharing chakra among others as is ninshu but internalizing and weaponizing it for peace as is ninjutsu. Anyone who can use ninshu can also use ninjutsu I'm not sure about vice-versa.


So there's your answer

1. Yes there is evidence of absence because the manga already concluded. So the burden of proof is on you to prove that Indra had or made Shadow-clones.

2. That's in the real world. But in the Manga it has been made clear time and time again that New Jutsu can be developed like the Edo Tensei, like the Rasengan, and in this case shadow clones. So there is a surplus of evidence supporting the idea that Tobirama actually created the shadow clone Jutsu where as the only thing against it is speculation.

3. Character sketches doesn't mean it's cannon. If kishimoto woke up today and drew Konohamaru killing Kaguya with a rasengan does that mean it's cannon? NO. because it's not apart of the Manga Cannon.

4. They are not.

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Ninshuu = being spiritually aware and capable of the two energies within the body in the form of chakra in order to sychronize mankind

Ninjutsu = Using and developing this chakra to make techniques to kill other people.

The Creation of all things is a Rin'negan technique, not a Ninjutsu and can only be done by having the Rin'negan and access to a surpuls of chakra. Something no one else but Hagoromo would have been capable of. So that excuse doesn't work either.

Yes Indra had inventions but given the ENORMOUS AMOUNT of ninjutsu avaliable in the current day in the NV it could be anything. Saying one of his creations what the Shadow clone jutsu is an assumption and the fact that tobirama said he created it must mean he never saw it before. What did tobirama spend his whole life doing? Fighting Indra's descendants. If Indra know the shadow clone jutsu then he would have passed it on to his children then it wouldn't make any sense of him to say he created it when it would have always been around.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Wood-clones are not shadow-clones. It was never said that Tobirama was the first who invented any clones, just shadow-clones. He could've kinda "copied" the concept from his brother of course.


As far as I remember, Madara and Izuna were called the first "Uchiha", who awakened the Mangekyou Sharingan. Indra was not an Uchiha, so there is nothing wrong with that statement.

That's not the point. The point is that clone jutsu is not and has never been exclusive to one person. Tobirama stated he invented it, of you invent something that means you're the first. That post was directed at the appropriate user. If I tell you I invented apple juice yet apple juice existed before my invention then I didn't invent anything. Also Tobirama wouldn't know of anyone before him using it necause of a lack of records. Nobody is going to keep tabs on something like shadow clones in AFKD (After First Kaguya Defeat) in the earky stages. Just like we don't know Asura's techniques either. Indra founded the Uchiha clan and seoerayed himself from his brother who created the senju clan. As they are the ancestors of both clans the statement is flawed. It's like saying if you had a disease then taje yoir last name your child who is a girl marries another guy her last name changes presumably and their child us born with the same disease as you are. The statement of lets say the family is called Turner. "This is the first time in the Turner family history when a disease was this has been seen" that statement would be false because you had the disease scientist would connect you to that and therefore it wouldn't be the first because someone from thr F1 generation had it. On a family tree that's how it will be held. In other words the statement madara and indra having the first MS is subsequently false. As Indra fathered the Uchiha, and thus he us called the Uchiha's ancestor. If your ancestor did something before you and you replicate it you are not the first to do so in your family history. Unless yoir ancestor is not your ancestor and unrelated by any genetics means.

Further more we had no idea what Indra's eye was in those times no one knows if it was MS so that's why the statement was said. And hekd true at that moment

 

[SasukeSixPack]

No its not what the ****????? Ninshu is ninjutsu dude its a fact in naruto wiki , ninshu is jutsus and stuff like that !! But it's purpose was peace thats the difference , you're interpreting it wrong

LMfao you think Naruto wikia is fact (even though they are accurate in this case, just that you don't understand what is written) when the same site doesn't have Yin or Yin-Yang release as apart of Nagato's arsenal but has it in Obito's arsenal who had Nagato's Rin'negan.

Something about Obito, his fans and the basic comprehension of things. Have a good day.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

I interpret it wrong only because you say so? Damn, read the manga and don't annoy other people with your lack of information. How often do we have to slap you with manga panels?

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You basically showed a scan that ninshu and ninjutsu are chakra. Ninshu is the sharing of chakra. Ninjutsu is internalizing and weaponizing it. I don't thonk je meant that they are the same so this may be a mosunderstanding on your half and his side

 

[Tazzilla88]

You're basically saying hagoromo can't perform a shadow clone

Completely and totally inaccurate.
I'm saying he didn't.
The words is and can are different separated in meaning by speaking of what exists as opposed to what is possible.
I said that he didn't do it. He had no reason to. That is not the same as saying he is incapable of doing so.