Intelligence - Uchiha VS Senju?

[Rize]

You guys just don't get it do you. Both clans still have surviving members.

Also I'm reporting you.

Obviously the uchiha are still smarter considering that they have TWO (could be one soon) surviving members and the senju have one

 

[KingHashirama]

Tobirama = Smartest ninja so far, except Shikamaru.. So Senju are smarter? you tell me..

People are saying Hashirama isn't smart? You do realize them being called "idiots" is a reference to his and Naruto's carefree personality. Not intellect..

On top of that the senju were SKILLED in MANY FORMS of ninja... yea you sure can be skilled in many forms by being a retard. (like some here are saying.)-

As for the ones on about the "one that survived the longest".. yea because the senju got killed right? rofl. Mfs didn't even need a clan anymore brah. ROFL.

But something people need to realize is CLANS do not determine the intellect of a smart person. Clearly, Hashirama was the one directing the battle against the Juubi when the Hokages showed up, and then it switched over to Tobirama after Hashirama left the battlefield.. So.. yea.

Also.. something else people need to remember is that Senju are the most diverse clan of the series..... Senju clan of Hashirama's time =/= Senju clan before Hashirama.. Reason is..

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[a banned cartoon]

Fugaku knew Itachi was planning on betraying. He let Itachi kill him. Enough of your pettiness.



That's like saying the clan is alive because Sasuke is alive tf are you talking about. I'm talking about the whole clan.

Show a scan where it assays Fugaku knew. He had only figured it out once Itachi was behind him about to kill him. I doubt somebody who was planning on a coup d'état on Konoha for belittling the clan, would just let his son murder his whole clan. Psh that Uchiha fanboy logic. Itachi fanboys only seem to be the only logical Uchiha fanboys.

 

[Dantee]

Show a scan where it assays Fugaku knew. He had only figured it out once Itachi was behind him about to kill him. I doubt somebody who was planning on a coup d'état on Konoha for belittling the clan, would just let his son murder his whole clan. Psh that Uchiha fanboy logic. Itachi fanboys only seem to be the only logical Uchiha fanboys.

It's implied. Fugaku wasn't even surprised and let Itachi kill him. Trying to change the subject now that you've looked like a complete fool. Please humor me more about the leader of the clan not letting Itachi kill him.

 

[a banned cartoon]

Tobirama = Smartest ninja so far, except Shikamaru.. So Senju are smarter? you tell me..

People are saying Hashirama isn't smart? You do realize them being called "idiots" is a reference to his and Naruto's carefree personality. Not intellect..

On top of that the senju were SKILLED in MANY FORMS of ninja... yea you sure can be skilled in many forms by being a retard. (like some here are saying.)-

As for the ones on about the "one that survived the longest".. yea because the senju got killed right? rofl. Mfs didn't even need a clan anymore brah. ROFL.

But something people need to realize is CLANS do not determine the intellect of a smart person. Clearly, Hashirama was the one directing the battle against the Juubi when the Hokages showed up, and then it switched over to Tobirama after Hashirama left the battlefield.. So.. yea.

Also.. something else people need to remember is that Senju are the most diverse clan of the series..... Senju clan of Hashirama's time =/= Senju clan before Hashirama.. Reason is..

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Hashirama was a genius when it came to ninjutsu. In terms of intellect Tobirama was a lot smarter than him. I'm not saying Hashirama was stupid though.

It's like calling a retarded NFL player a genius in terms of skill. Yeah he's a genius when it comes to football, but as far as his intellect goes he's once again retarded.

You don't have to be smart to be able to fight well.

 

[a banned cartoon]

It's implied. Fugaku wasn't even surprised and let Itachi kill him. Trying to change the subject now that you've looked like a complete fool. Please humor me more about the leader of the clan not letting Itachi kill him.

Fugaku knew he didn't stand a chance against Itachi, so what was the point in fighting him when he had already murdered the rest of the clan. It wasn't implied, you implied it.

 

[Dantee]

Fugaku knew he didn't stand a chance against Itachi, so what was the point in fighting him when he had already murdered the rest of the clan. It wasn't implied, you implied it.

Yeah in the middle of the night Fugaku and Itachis mother were up and had their backs turned ready to be slaughtered. They never had a clue.

 

[Owarij]

Show a scan where it assays Fugaku knew. He had only figured it out once Itachi was behind him about to kill him. I doubt somebody who was planning on a coup d'état on Konoha for belittling the clan, would just let his son murder his whole clan. Psh that Uchiha fanboy logic. Itachi fanboys only seem to be the only logical Uchiha fanboys.

It was implied a tad bit. Infact, for any intelligent person close to Itachi, it was obvious.

 

[Umari Senju]

Jiraiya is Senju, he mentioned it in the first series. And Minato, i'm guessing he is Senju since he has some of the same traits as Hashirama.

No Jiraiya never said that. Minato is of the Namikaze clan not Senju.

senju.
hashirama created village system.
tobirama invented village infrastructure and chuunin exam.
tsunade invented medical ninja system.
show me any uchihas with feats like this.

This right here ^ Seems like the Senju brought more to the table in the Ninja world than the Uchiha.

LOL, Senju is a huge lineage, it's like saying that all Asians are related! Idiot!

Before you start calling people names you might want to learn who belongs to what clan. Just a suggestion.

 

[TrollKing]

Minato, jiraiya and naruto are no senju

 

[KingHashirama]

Hashirama was a genius when it came to ninjutsu. In terms of intellect Tobirama was a lot smarter than him. I'm not saying Hashirama was stupid though.

It's like calling a retarded NFL player a genius in terms of skill. Yeah he's a genius when it comes to football, but as far as his intellect goes he's once again retarded.

You don't have to be smart to be able to fight well.

- Created the plans for the future of the shinobi world, which were followed by his bro (except the Uchiha crap of course).

- The village system and its leading to a unification of the shinobi world..

- Making a clan alliance. So that other clans would respond to it.. Another stroke..

Hashirama simply didn't become the leader of the senju because "ninjutsu" genius.. .....he became the leader because of his wisdome/clear headed/ideas and power. which was also earned through intellect. However, Tobirama yes is more intellectual in scientific stuff and so on. And in fact he is the "ninjutsu" genius.

Yea but here is the thing, how is he a retard, if he knows that much about football.. while you have no clue..

And who is talking about fighting well??

 

[shelke]

Uchihas, the descendents of Indra, are obviously shown to be natural geniuses. Yes, there were a few duds like Obito, but that doesn't represent the whole clan. But let's face it, Obito, when trained by Madara became such a shrewd man. I would outright call him an idiot. Other than Tobirama and Tsunade, most of the clan doesn't seem to be intelligent as the manga has never implied it.

 

[kaka96]

I'm not the one trying to say Jiraiya, and Minato are Senju here. Neither of them are. You are 100% wrong here. No need to name call just because everyone is telling you your wrong.

Here's a tip if everyone is saying your wrong, than your wrong.

While I agree that they are not senju, your "tip" is also wrong man.
First of all you only have a sample, not a population, so you can't really say everyone disagrees.
But most importantly , I don't think adopting a philosophy to give up because everyone tells you it's not right or possible without factual evidence is just weak.
He should give up because of facts, not popular opinion.

And the facts are, we don't know Jirayia's lineage and we don't know if Namikaze are related to senju. Thus we cannot really kick aside the possibility of it. And since it's rather unimportant, I doubt kishi himself even decided such a thing unless it's part of some later plot twist or character development.

But since we cannot know than it is in fact wrong to classify them as senjus for the time being.

 

[Rize]

- Created the plans for the future of the shinobi world, which were followed by his bro (except the Uchiha crap of course).

- The village system and its leading to a unification of the shinobi world..

- Making a clan alliance. So that other clans would respond to it.. Another stroke..

Hashirama simply didn't become the leader of the senju because "ninjutsu" genius.. .....he became the leader because of his wisdome/clear headed/ideas and power. which was also earned through intellect. However, Tobirama yes is more intellectual in scientific stuff and so on. And in fact he is the "ninjutsu" genius.

Yea but here is the thing, how is he a retard, if he knows that much about football.. while you have no clue..

And who is talking about fighting well??

First of all it doesn't take a genius to do what's best for a clan

Second of all the manga says the uchiha are among the smartest clan.

Third Hashirama was even called an idiot by his brother

 

[a banned cartoon]

Yeah in the middle of the night Fugaku and Itachis mother were up and had their backs turned ready to be slaughtered. They never had a clue.

Let's say Fugaku did know before hand. Then that just makes him all the more idiotic for not finding a way to stop his son. Fugaku had probably realized what was happening while Itachi was in the middle of slaughtering the clan yes, but he hadn't known anything beforehand.

Theirs no use in arguing with someone who can't realize they're wrong.

 

[Vandenreich]

How dare you mention non Senju's.
And on top of that not mention the true genius who is a Senju, Tobirama.

 

[Owarij]

Let's say Fugaku did know before hand. Then that just makes him all the more idiotic for not finding a way to stop his son. Fugaku had probably realized what was happening while Itachi was in the middle of slaughtering the clan yes, but he hadn't known anything beforehand.

Theirs no use in arguing with someone who can't realize they're wrong.

The police officers all realized something was up with Itachi. They came and even accused him. You think Fugaku didn't realize as well? His personality changes after joining anbu. The clan asks shishui to spy on him. He ends up dead. He becomes distant. to the point that he's completely ignoring his fathers prescence.. He lashes out at uchiha officers, and yells at them to change their prideful ways. Stating that there mentality will be the end of the clan, Then throws a kunai in the heart of the Uchiha symbol.

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Fugaku must have been an idiot to not realize what was up. If they did

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It most likely was that his father and mother let him choose his own path. They didn't fight back. they let it happen

 

[Dantee]

Let's say Fugaku did know before hand. Then that just makes him all the more idiotic for not finding a way to stop his son. Fugaku had probably realized what was happening while Itachi was in the middle of slaughtering the clan yes, but he hadn't known anything beforehand.

Theirs no use in arguing with someone who can't realize they're wrong.

Agreed. LLOLOL

 

[chio]

LOL, Senju is a huge lineage, it's like saying that all Asians are related! Idiot!

You who make a thread and make opinion why you called someone idiot with his opinion..?

It's implied. Fugaku wasn't even surprised and let Itachi kill him. Trying to change the subject now that you've looked like a complete fool. Please humor me more about the leader of the clan not letting Itachi kill him.

if you son is double spy, that you must be concern, Fugaku is concern not know exactly, that is why his not surprised, he let Itachi Kill him because it's Itachi decision to join the Konoha, and as a father he accept his son decision (that is Uciha clan genius)...

OT: IMO..Uciha is genius with intelectual, senju is genius in friendship..
..Piss..

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Minato isn't a senju and Jiraiya isn't a genius. Or senju.

All the Senju Geniuses are Hashirama, and maybe tobirama, and that's not even being a genius because Mokuton doesn't take intelligence. That disquallifies Obito as well, but whatever.

SO it's now Tobirama vs Madara and Itachi. Itachi solos.