[Discussion] In terms of raw phyiscal strength Luffy is unmatched

[Bogard]

Spoiler

zoro's building wasnt even a building.

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It was a little bish ass corner part of one,
Luffy can't even be compared to the size of his building feat

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See that top right hand corner panel thats the entire street block.
Luffy wrecked that.
Zoro cut a chimney instead of just breaking it.

I didn't say the building Zoro threw in Alabasta was comparable to the one Luffy broke free from. I said the building in question was much bigger, heavier than the small chimney Zoro were struck in. I wonder if you read sometimes

Either way i'll leave this link. Maybe you'll finally understand my point by watching this:

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[Punk Hazard]

Zoro couldn't flex his arms, but still had enough leverage to swing his sword with enough force in a big enough arc to create a flying slash.

Yeah okay buddy, whatever you say.

Haha look, there it is !

I didn't even had to look for it, they just posted it again :') Oh man this is so stupid that they're defending this.

"you know Zoro was upside down bruh, he muzt be 100x stronger to escape the chimney of death man. Luffy had it easy with his rubber body."



You really are a special kind of stupid. I hope someone takes a screenshot and places this in a signature. Nobody should ever take you serious again.

Chimney>Roger yo.

 

[Love Cook]

Buildings are weak. Instead of putting criminals in cells, they should put them into chimneys. I'm hearing that they're much harder to escape.

Chimney>Roger yo.

The One Piece, is a chimney made out of one piece of stone. It's the ultimate weapon.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I didn't say the building Zoro threw in Alabasta was comparable to the one Luffy broke free from. I said the building in question was much bigger, heavier than the small chimney Zoro were struck in. I wonder if you read sometimes

Either way i'll leave this link. Maybe you'll finally understand my point by watching this:

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Muscles in Zoro's wrist>his flexors/extensions, deltoids, biceps and triceps yo.

 

[Bogard]

Zoro couldn't flex his arms, but still had enough leverage to swing his sword with enough force in a big enough arc to create a flying slash.

Yeah okay buddy, whatever you say.

He could move his hands, but not his arms. In the hand, there exist muscles allowing some pressure on an object. The muscles acting on the hand can be subdivided into two groups: the extrinsic and intrinsic muscle groups. The intrinsic muscle groups are the thenar (thumb) and hypothenar (little finger) muscles; the interossei muscles (four dorsally and three volarly) originating between the metacarpal bones; and the lumbrical muscles arising from the deep flexor (and are special because they have no bony origin) to insert on the dorsal extensor hood mechanism

The fingers have two long flexors, located on the underside of the forearm. They insert by tendons to the phalanges of the fingers. The deep flexor attaches to the distal phalanx, and the superficial flexor attaches to the middle phalanx. The flexors allow for the actual bending of the fingers. The thumb has one long flexor and a short flexor in the thenar muscle group. The human thumb also has other muscles in the thenar group (opponens and abductor brevis muscle), moving the thumb in opposition, making grasping possible.

The extensors are located on the back of the forearm and are connected in a more complex way than the flexors to the dorsum of the fingers. The tendons unite with the interosseous and lumbrical muscles to form the extensorhood mechanism. The primary function of the extensors is to straighten out the digits. The thumb has two extensors in the forearm; the tendons of these form the anatomical snuff box. Also, the index finger and the little finger have an extra extensor, used, for instance, pointing.

Zoro managing to use a flying slash strong enough to cut the chimney simply means his hand muscles were strong enough for him to accomplish that without need of the arm muscles

 

[Punk Hazard]

He could move his hands, but not his arms. In the hand, there exist muscles allowing some pressure on an object. The muscles acting on the hand can be subdivided into two groups: the extrinsic and intrinsic muscle groups. The intrinsic muscle groups are the thenar (thumb) and hypothenar (little finger) muscles; the interossei muscles (four dorsally and three volarly) originating between the metacarpal bones; and the lumbrical muscles arising from the deep flexor (and are special because they have no bony origin) to insert on the dorsal extensor hood mechanism

The fingers have two long flexors, located on the underside of the forearm. They insert by tendons to the phalanges of the fingers. The deep flexor attaches to the distal phalanx, and the superficial flexor attaches to the middle phalanx. The flexors allow for the actual bending of the fingers. The thumb has one long flexor and a short flexor in the thenar muscle group. The human thumb also has other muscles in the thenar group (opponens and abductor brevis muscle), moving the thumb in opposition, making grasping possible.

The extensors are located on the back of the forearm and are connected in a more complex way than the flexors to the dorsum of the fingers. The tendons unite with the interosseous and lumbrical muscles to form the extensorhood mechanism. The primary function of the extensors is to straighten out the digits. The thumb has two extensors in the forearm; the tendons of these form the anatomical snuff box. Also, the index finger and the little finger have an extra extensor, used, for instance, pointing.

Zoro managing to use a flying slash strong enough to cut the chimney simply means his hand muscles were strong enough for him to accomplish that without need of the arm muscles

Yup. Zoro flicking his wrist accomplishes the exact same feat as swinging his entire arm. Totally makes sense.

 

[Bogard]

Yup. Zoro flicking his wrist accomplishes the exact same feat as swinging his entire arm. Totally makes sense.

It seems scientifical explanation can't get through your head however, so whatever. You can believe what you want. At least i tried

 

[Love Cook]

It seems scientifical explanation can't get through your head however, so whatever. You can believe what you want. At least i tried

Oh yes you tried already.

Bogard the science guy.

Chimneys over buildings everyone, never forget. Now get out of here so the grown-ups can debate back on topic again.

Keyboard cat, play off the stand-up comedian

[video=youtube;Mo1BorkW9Do]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo1BorkW9Do[/video]

 

[Punk Hazard]

It seems scientifical explanation can't get through your head however, so whatever. You can believe what you want. At least i tried

Yes. Listing the muscles found in the limbs of the upper body is the same as explaining how flicking your wrist and moving just your hand accomplishes the same as moving your entire arm. You're a scientific prodigy.

 

[Olorin]

:/ :/ :/ :/ :/

Like Uzumaki Macho said there are weekly periods where Zoro fanbase(including me) wank him more than he deserves, but it only happens during these weeks(generally when Zoro does something impressive in the manga). After that, it comes down to normal business as usual and in those times, generally the fanbase isn't as bad as people really describe them to be. Aqeel was really bad before but changed with time.

As far as i know, with the exception of this new guy(Mr.username), i don't think Zoro fanbase really created that much threads to overwank him at all, but for some reasons since a while now, many people create threads about him(most of the current threads are about Zoro) and since i happen to follow the one piece section a lot, i reply to them. Plus, considering i'm a Zoro fan myself, i try to defend him as much as i can but i don't remember one time where i really tried to give him more credit than what was given to him in the manga(could have happened though).

 

[Bogard]

:/ :/ :/ :/ :/

Implying i'm giving him more credit than he deserves :/ But at least if i do, you people should try to counter my arguments properly because i hardly see anything wrong in my premise

But i don't think i'll bother considering all what you do nowadays is to try to start useless flame wars and discussing with someone like the retarded cook isn't worth it

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[Love Cook]

Implying i'm giving him more credit than he deserves :/ But at least if i do, you people should try to counter my arguments properly because i hardly see anything wrong in my premise

But i don't think i'll bother considering all what you do nowadays is to try to start useless flame wars and discussing with someone like the retarded cook isn't worth it

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haha piss off with your propaganda, it's just a small group of people i target because they can't debate for shit and always hype up without feats. Aqueel, Bmx, christiano ronaldo avatar guy, Macho, shon93 (when it comes to Sabo) and you.

You made a complete fool of yourself in this thread, and macho in the strongest female thread. Don't blame it on me that you can't think straight. You're trying to defend that chimney's are stronger than two entire buildings. It doesn't matter in which way you're stuck or if you're upside down, the sheer stupidity of thinking that a chimney is sturdier than 2 buildings is batshit crazy.

If anything you're downplaying buildings, I'm not downplaying Zoro.

But let me play a game with you that I've played with some others in this section already, which I never lost.

People called me a Zoro hater or whatever their favorite character is and tell me that I downplay them, but they never come up with proof. It's always the rage quit at the end of the thread. So my game is that you and Macho show me one example of pure Zoro bashing and downplaying without any sensible argumentation and I'll believe you.

If you can't you should just shut the fu*k up about it and accept that other people have other opinions and do better jobs explaining them than you do.

Now 3,2,1 go find me a quote,

 

[NarutoBmx33]

haha piss off with your propaganda, it's just a small group of people i target because they can't debate for shit and always hype up without feats. Aqueel, Bmx, christiano ronaldo avatar guy, Macho, shon93 (when it comes to Sabo) and you.

You made a complete fool of yourself in this thread, and macho in the strongest female thread. Don't blame it on me that you can't think straight. You're trying to defend that chimney's are stronger than two entire buildings. It doesn't matter in which way you're stuck or if you're upside down, the sheer stupidity of thinking that a chimney is sturdier than 2 buildings is batshit crazy.

If anything you're downplaying buildings, I'm not downplaying Zoro.

But let me play a game with you that I've played with some others in this section already, which I never lost.

People called me a Zoro hater or whatever their favorite character is and tell me that I downplay them, but they never come up with proof. It's always the rage quit at the end of the thread. So my game is that you and Macho show me one example of pure Zoro bashing and downplaying without any sensible argumentation and I'll believe you.

If you can't you should just shut the fu*k up about it and accept that other people have other opinions and do better jobs explaining them than you do.

Now 3,2,1 go find me a quote,

Ohh shut upp, you always use assumptions and never have proof. All you do is bring up pointless thoughts that don't even make sense.
Guess Zoro was right...
"You look like a prince...of dumbass kingdom"

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

haha piss off with your propaganda, it's just a small group of people i target because they can't debate for shit and always hype up without feats. Aqueel, Bmx, christiano ronaldo avatar guy, Macho, shon93 (when it comes to Sabo) and you.

You made a complete fool of yourself in this thread, and macho in the strongest female thread. Don't blame it on me that you can't think straight. You're trying to defend that chimney's are stronger than two entire buildings. It doesn't matter in which way you're stuck or if you're upside down, the sheer stupidity of thinking that a chimney is sturdier than 2 buildings is batshit crazy.

If anything you're downplaying buildings, I'm not downplaying Zoro.

But let me play a game with you that I've played with some others in this section already, which I never lost.

People called me a Zoro hater or whatever their favorite character is and tell me that I downplay them, but they never come up with proof. It's always the rage quit at the end of the thread. So my game is that you and Macho show me one example of pure Zoro bashing and downplaying without any sensible argumentation and I'll believe you.

If you can't you should just shut the fu*k up about it and accept that other people have other opinions and do better jobs explaining them than you do.

Now 3,2,1 go find me a quote,

1. I admit that I do need to improve my debating skills, but how is T Bogard a bad debater? If anything you are being the bad debater right now. Before I go any further let me just say that a do believe Luffy's feat was still more impressive. T Bogard brought up some well reasoned evidence to support his argument. All you did was act condescending like you usually do and this time you didn't even provide any rebuttal, but somehow he's the bad debater.

2. Here's a quote from you "If you can't you should just shut the fu*k up about it and accept that other people have other opinions." What a hypocrite, you can never accept other people's opinions if they are disagreeing with you and you just call them dumbasses.

 

[Bogard]

This is Love Cook's debating skills

A discuss with B

A- Zoro said Lucci will kill them all
B- No, it's Franky

Love Cook- You're the wrong you dumbass. Why does he need to show you a scan from a fact because you don't believe him ? But why is it ok for you to spread false information without checking your facts.

*Shows manga scan*

*Love Cook suddenly disappears like he came*

C discuss with D

C- Luffy has more endurance than Zoro
D- Zoro could take all Luffy's pain while already been heavily wounded, so...

Love Cook - no he couldn't you dumbass. No one should take you seriously anymore. Stop spreading false information. The manga never implied such a thing. Kuma already said he will die. He only survived due to Kuma's mercy *assumption*

*gets proven wrong*

*Love Cook suddenly disappears like he came*

E discuss with F

E- Luffy is physically stronger than Zoro
F- Zoro's flying slash was stronger than Luffy's one hit attack when flying slashes are directly proportional to your physical strength according to Brook

*Love Cook appears*
Luffy could break buildings when Zoro got strucked in a chimney

F replies- It's not that the chimney is stronger/bigger than the buildings. It's Zoro's position that didn't allow him to exert enough strength on the chimney unlike Luffy who had his arms free especially when he has the advantage of possessing a rubber body

*Love Cook totally ignores the argument*

Come on don't reply to his arguments. Never seen such a level of stupidity. Buildings are weak. Chimney are the strongest in the world, the ultimate weapon

G appears - if he couldn't move, how could he use his sword?

F- His arms were strucked, not his hands. The hand muscles were enough to give enough momentum for Zoro to use the cuting ability of his sword and break free

*Love Cook replies*

Chimneys over buildings everyone, never forget. Now get out of here so the grown-ups can debate back on topic again.

Keyboard cat, play off the stand-up comedian

*Hey weren't you supposed to get out of the thread?*

Love Cook is just an excited/immature child who jumps on any occasion to use his downplay debating skills and when proven wrong either ignore the argument, start with insults or just leave the thread without apologizing or accepting he was wrong. No need to take someone like that seriously in debate

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

I've been wondering after seeing these calculations though that if Enel extruded that gold ball from the golden face plating/ornament/design on the arc maxim how much wld a)The plating/face/whateves actually weigh(in its entirerity) and b)the ship as a whole, coz damn 700tons(was it?) off of a fraction of part of the ship?

An answer and not insults wld b greatly appreciated n before u say its stupid of me to ask remember not all of us r Nassa certified geniuses.

 

[Tomato God]

... I have created weaponized autism.
This thread needs to be burned down.

 

[Love Cook]

Ohh shut upp, you always use assumptions and never have proof. All you do is bring up pointless thoughts that don't even make sense.
Guess Zoro was right...
"You look like a prince...of dumbass kingdom"

1. I admit that I do need to improve my debating skills, but how is T Bogard a bad debater? If anything you are being the bad debater right now. Before I go any further let me just say that a do believe Luffy's feat was still more impressive. T Bogard brought up some well reasoned evidence to support his argument. All you did was act condescending like you usually do and this time you didn't even provide any rebuttal, but somehow he's the bad debater.

2. Here's a quote from you "If you can't you should just shut the fu*k up about it and accept that other people have other opinions." What a hypocrite, you can never accept other people's opinions if they are disagreeing with you and you just call them dumbasses.

This is Love Cook's debating skills

A discuss with B

A- Zoro said Lucci will kill them all
B- No, it's Franky

Love Cook- You're the wrong you dumbass. Why does he need to show you a scan from a fact because you don't believe him ? But why is it ok for you to spread false information without checking your facts.

*Shows manga scan*

*Love Cook suddenly disappears like he came*

C discuss with D

C- Luffy has more endurance than Zoro
D- Zoro could take all Luffy's pain while already been heavily wounded, so...

Love Cook - no he couldn't you dumbass. No one should take you seriously anymore. Stop spreading false information. The manga never implied such a thing. Kuma already said he will die. He only survived due to Kuma's mercy *assumption*

*gets proven wrong*

*Love Cook suddenly disappears like he came*

E discuss with F

E- Luffy is physically stronger than Zoro
F- Zoro's flying slash was stronger than Luffy's one hit attack when flying slashes are directly proportional to your physical strength according to Brook

*Love Cook appears*
Luffy could break buildings when Zoro got strucked in a chimney

F replies- It's not that the chimney is stronger/bigger than the buildings. It's Zoro's position that didn't allow him to exert enough strength on the chimney unlike Luffy who had his arms free especially when he has the advantage of possessing a rubber body

*Love Cook totally ignores the argument*

Come on don't reply to his arguments. Never seen such a level of stupidity. Buildings are weak. Chimney are the strongest in the world, the ultimate weapon

G appears - if he couldn't move, how could he use his sword?

F- His arms were strucked, not his hands. The hand muscles were enough to give enough momentum for Zoro to use the cuting ability of his sword and break free

*Love Cook replies*

Chimneys over buildings everyone, never forget. Now get out of here so the grown-ups can debate back on topic again.

Keyboard cat, play off the stand-up comedian

*Hey weren't you supposed to get out of the thread?*

Love Cook is just an excited/immature child who jumps on any occasion to use his downplay debating skills and when proven wrong either ignore the argument, start with insults or just leave the thread without apologizing or accepting he was wrong. No need to take someone like that seriously in debate

So three guys are coming at me claiming me I'm anti-zoro, but no one has a quote to prove it. Go cry about it fanboys.

Also the first two situations of Bogard never happened, and him being a dumbass is in this thread.

 

[NarutoBmx33]

So three guys are coming at me claiming me I'm anti-zoro, but no one has a quote to prove it. Go cry about it fanboys.

Also the first two situations of Bogard never happened, and him being a dumbass is in this thread.

lol You're always looking for that proof of your quotes. You don't necessarily have to say it. From your arguments, you imply it.

You totally missed the point of our posts, nobody called you anti-Zoro on this page.

The first 2 situations did happen lol you forgot already?

 

[Love Cook]

lol You're always looking for that proof of your quotes. You don't necessarily have to say it. From your arguments, you imply it.

You totally missed the point of our posts, nobody called you anti-Zoro on this page.

The first 2 situations did happen lol you forgot already?

So no one called me anti-zoro ? Go look at post 91.

Also yes, proof something important, thats the difference between assumption and facts. something you guys mix up sometimes. So if you can't prove it don't assume it, because I'm just as anti Sabo/Shanks/Usopp when the proof isn't there. Only the Zoro fanclub has the longest toes.

And those situations never happened, go look them up and check how it ended. I'm not losing an argument to someone who thinks a chimney is stronger than a building.

In the first situation Bogard was confused with a different scan. It got cleared up later that there are two moments. one with franky and one with Zoro.

As for the second one I got never proven 'wrong' about the mercy because no one knows what happened during that black out. I merely presented an alternate theory. I explained the word Could three times.

So there you have it. Grudges from the past have been dealt with and still no anti-Zoro quote. It's starting to look pathetic guys. The three of you still looking for me being anti zoro.