I'll be the first to admit that I'm wrong.

[Shadow Phantasm]

Glad its been confirmed sasukes 2 MS skills are Enton and Ameratsu. Hopefully that random tsukyomi talk will end with it

Agreed,that's one headache I'm glad to be rid of.

 

[Mad Daz]

Agreed,that's one headache I'm glad to be rid of.

I feel like ive been arguing with brick walls lol.

 

[riley freeman]

Well I always said that DB page was Itachi specific because procedure for SM included summoning Ma and Pa but both Minato and Naruto did it without them. It was funny though, that despite it being so obvious you couldn't grasp it Lol

Truly you had the crown of being the most dim-witted till now, hopefully you'll get better soon.

Dat level of hate will get you no where

 

[ssjsage]

I not trying to be rude or anything, but can you prove that kakashi has intangibility?

Kakashi didn't have intangiblity until now. He only had kamui snipe

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Obito> All Uchihas Lol

 

[riley freeman]

Kakashi didn't have intangiblity until now. He only had kamui snipe

I know, and he has intangibility now because he has obito's intangibility eyes right? so can we assume that sasuke has tsukuyomi since he has itachi's eye??

 

[WolfHaley]

Glad its been confirmed sasukes 2 MS skills are Enton and Ameratsu. Hopefully that random tsukyomi talk will end with it

You mean Kagutsuchi, Enton is a Nature Release, not a jutsu. There's also nothing stating he can't have more than three.

 

[Mad Daz]

You mean Kagutsuchi, Enton is a Nature Release, not a jutsu. There's also nothing stating he can't have more than three.

Yes my bad, i ment kagutsuchi. Enton is an easier name to remember >.<

 

[kakashi owns all]

Today finally ended the ongoing debate.

For years it has debated about whether or not Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu were required to unlock Susano'o as stated in past databook entries.

Many took Sasuke's statement of "Double Mangekyou" as disproving the Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu debate, which frankly didn't make much sense, as unlocking Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu was unlocking a double mangekyou.

Then Madara showed up with his Perfect Susano'o, and we all thought the debate would end. But alas, he never showed his other MS/EMS techniques.

More recently Kishi revealed a special Susano'o in Shisui Uchiha for the upcoming Ninja Storm Game. Of course, this was hardly credited, as including this as cannon would also include Mecha Naruto and Mecha Kurama as cannon as well. :|

Finally with Obito's death, it seemed we would never get a proper answer to this debate. But as much of a BS Asspull path it was, the path that led to Kakashi's unlocking of Perfect Susano'o finally ended the debates for good.


In conclusion, I was wrong. I admit it. I'm not ashamed, as it was impossible to disprove or prove. This however does not change my opinion on Sasuke having Tsukuyomi

Thanks for barely reading.

am i the only one who was like da fuk its like u knew id read the 1st part then skip to the last 2 lines

wizard at work

sasuke does not have it imo

 

[Minator93]

Dat level of hate will get you no where

You don't know the history we share, don't butt in.

 

[riley freeman]

You don't know the history we share, don't butt in.

my bad, i did notice you two almost never agree

 

[Varrah]

Can you explain why? Otherwise, this means nothing more than a simple cop-out.

Yes, of course: let us revisit your post.

He has Itachi’s eyes, which contain Tsukuyomi.

I share the sentiment. However, I believe that prior to obtaining the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan or the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, Sasuke did not have Tsukuyomi. In its place, Sasuke had the Seishitsu Henka, Amaterasu, and the Keitai Henka, Kagutsuchi in his left and right eye respectively.

Danzo compared the Genjutsu he has used on him specifically with Tsukiyomi. This is key to explain: Why would Danzo compare a technique Sasuke used to Tsukiyomi's ability to control time perception in order to some up the quality of the Genjutsu, when Tsukiyomi is the only technique that has been shown to control time perception? Let's say for example, you are looking at the quality of a car. Would you say "This car is pretty good, but isn't THAT good because it can't travel on water like that boat over there?" No, because summing up the quality of something with a trait that is impossible for it to possess would be brain-dead. Why mention the time-controlling aspect of Tsukiyomi if the technique Sasuke used WASN'T Tsukiyomi? Why compare it all to Tsukiyomi if it wasn't Tsukiyomi, especially when Itachi has far more well-known Genjutsu to compare it to? It's not like it was just for the sake of riling Sasuke up via psychological warfare, as just saying "You're not as good as Itachi" or "Itachi has even better Genjutsu than this" would suffice.

Here are several translations from several translators from NarutoForums;

I bring this up whenever Danzou's statement comes, but there are two things people get confused about with the line. First, it's a continuation of Danzou's previous line, despite there being a page in between the two. Second, the object of the last bit really isn't Sasuke but Sasuke's genjutsu.

From adamkun,

Danzou: I'll commend you for (being able to) use a genjutsu on me.

[A page of Karin talking].

However, [SUBJECT MARKER] and Itachi's "Tsukuyomi" that can freely manipulate genjutsu time are as different as heaven and earth.
Or,

Danzou: [The genjutsu you used on me] and Itachi's "Tsukuyomi" that can freely manipulate genjutsu time are as different as heaven and earth.
He's directly comparing the two genjutsu.

You should look at what Danzou is saying beforehand because he's not saying what you think. At all.

What he first says is that he'll praise Sasuke for catching him in a genjutsu.

Then he states that it has no comparison to Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

Nothing in the Japanese (nor in Hisshou's translation for that matter) states or implies that Sasuke is using Tsukuyomi. He could have used it, but that's not supported in any way in the text.

All Danzou ever says in regards to what Sasuke is doing is that it's a genjutsu. That's all.

Danzō’s language to Sasuke is a crucial matter, which must be explained properly. Firstly, Danzō praises Sasuke for placing a Genjutsu upon him; then Danzō states it is no comparison to Itachi’s Tsukuyomi.


Tsukuyomi separates itself from other Genjutsus’ for its ability to manipulate a substantial amount of time, such as days, into a miniscule moment that happens instantaneously. Without the ability to manipulate time, Tsukuyomi is as any Genjutsu except Izanagi and Izanami. Danzō is strictly comparing Sasuke’s Mangekyō Sharingan Genjutsu to Itachi’s Tsukuyomi.

Sasuke has Amaterasu in his left eye. As shown with Itachi, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi are held in opposite eyes. Tie this in with the fact that Sasuke used a Genjutsu with his right Mangekyo that flipped the color scale, something only Tsukiyomi has been shown to do, you can surmise that it was Tsukiyomi, but just very weak.

The monochrome trait is not what defines Tsukuyomi; it is its time manipulation; without the ability to manipulate a victim’s perception of time, the Genjutsu Sasuke used is not Tsukuyomi. It is simply a Genjutsu used through the Mangekyō Sharingan.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

There are tons of reasoning you can do to deduce that he does have it.

1. He has Itachi's eyes, which contain Tsukiyomi

2. Danzo compared the Genjutsu he has used on him specifically with Tsukiyomi. This is key to explain: Why would Danzo compare a technique Sasuke used to Tsukiyomi's ability to control time perception in order to some up the quality of the Genjutsu, when Tsukiyomi is the only technique that has been shown to control time perception? Let's say for example, you are looking at the quality of a car. Would you say "This car is pretty good, but isn't THAT good because it can't travel on water like that boat over there?" No, because summing up the quality of something with a trait that is impossible for it to possess would be brain-dead. Why mention the time-controlling aspect of Tsukiyomi if the technique Sasuke used WASN'T Tsukiyomi? Why compare it all to Tsukiyomi if it wasn't Tsukiyomi, especially when Itachi has far more well-known Genjutsu to compare it to? It's not like it was just for the sake of riling Sasuke up via psychological warfare, as just saying "You're not as good as Itachi" or "Itachi has even better Genjutsu than this" would suffice.

3. Sasuke has Amaterasu in his left eye. As shown with Itachi, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi are held in opposite eyes. Tie this in with the fact that Sasuke used a Genjutsu with his right Mangekyo that flipped the color scale, something only Tsukiyomi has been shown to do, you can surmise that it was Tsukiyomi, but just very weak.

Not everything will be spoon-fed to you, you have to look at smaller hints and details to complete the big picture.

That's pure bull! Shee was watching and analysiing Sasuke and clearly stated that one eye's power was casting amateresu and the OTHER eye's power was controlling it. So far we have not seen an eye with two abilities. Morever, Sasuke knows about tsukiyomi but NEVER even once called his genjutsu by that name, because he knows it's not tsukiyomi obviously. Danzo was comparing Sasuke and Itachi, so obviously he would compare their genjutsu. The reason he was comparing them was because he saw Sasuke use amateresu, so obviously he'd compare Sasuke's genjutsu to Itachi's. There's also the fact that everyone in that battle who made a comment about their genjutsu (Danzo, Tobi, and Sasuke himself) expressly avoided calling Sasuke's genjutsu by that name, simply refering to it as 'your genjutsu' but expessly naming Tsukiyomi in the same sentence when refering to Itachi. Those words exchanged there clearly indicate the opposite of what you say, that the genjutsu in comparision are entirely different. Kishi once again shows this to us when Kabuto caught them in Tayuya's sound genjutsu, Itachi uses tsukiyomi and Sasuke sounds the words, genjutsu: sharingan. You have to be stupid or just a rabid fanboy to still think that Sasuke has tsyukiyomi. Another fact, the Kumo shinobi received intel about Itachi's powers from the leaf village, they know about Amateresu and Tsukiyomi yet C also, after naming amateresu, refers to Sasuke' jutsu as 'that genjustu' (which he had first hand experience of being caught in by the way) as that genjutsu, and not tsyukiyomi, that's also after he said that one eye has amateresu and the other controlls it. Just who exactly is the one unable to pay attention to finer details here? I'll admit though that he should have it after implanting Itachi's eyes, though his failure to use it so far makes no sense, perhaps because it wouldn't work on Obito/Madara/Kaguya anyway.

 

[vasu 32]

Because Madara lived only about 60-70 years before Itachi was born, and it was already forbidden by the time Itachi was born.

Fugaku nearly shit his pants because of Itachi's MS. Clearly it wasn't something people just awakened and walked around with all willy-nilly.

I mean in the time between Indra and Madara...

I always figured there were more MS users,it makes Tobirama's statement of seeing Amaterasu more plausible that way.

Of-course.....

 

[Ansatsuken]

didnt read


yeah its a good thing to clear it up with kamui eyes.

What is your Avatar symbolism here?

Care to explain

OP: This Naruto manga have their complexity level itself for our understanding,

But the complexity is not out of mind for this manga, we still able to get the information easily although it is look to intricate for us

Just open your mind, thinking deeper before making any assumption.

Check all plot, holes and anything we able to remember.

If the subject is one way maybe it hard to speculate like Kaguya origin, Spiritual weapon origin, but in the case of Susanoo it is in two way

Hope you understand.


Thanks.

 

[mohdzarif]

And I'm glad that I'm right (among those who are right).

 

[johnny335704]

Nice. It is good. Misconception is cleared.

 

[Tsukikami Uchiha]

Today finally ended the ongoing debate.

For years it has debated about whether or not Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu were required to unlock Susano'o as stated in past databook entries.

Many took Sasuke's statement of "Double Mangekyou" as disproving the Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu debate, which frankly didn't make much sense, as unlocking Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu was unlocking a double mangekyou.

Then Madara showed up with his Perfect Susano'o, and we all thought the debate would end. But alas, he never showed his other MS/EMS techniques.

More recently Kishi revealed a special Susano'o in Shisui Uchiha for the upcoming Ninja Storm Game. Of course, this was hardly credited, as including this as cannon would also include Mecha Naruto and Mecha Kurama as cannon as well. :|

Finally with Obito's death, it seemed we would never get a proper answer to this debate. But as much of a BS Asspull path it was, the path that led to Kakashi's unlocking of Perfect Susano'o finally ended the debates for good.


In conclusion, I was wrong. I admit it. I'm not ashamed, as it was impossible to disprove or prove. This however does not change my opinion on Sasuke having Tsukuyomi

Thanks for barely reading.

He does have Tsukiyomi.. it was in Itachi's eyes ergo his. but if he doesn't have it then Kishi will officialy be the biggest Kakashi fapping and bj giving fanboy ever and one of the biggest Sauce haters ever for nerfing Sauce and giving Fodderkashi such ass pull power